When Will the US Reach 100,000 COVID deaths?

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Just in my state. They are very transparent with statistics, st least from what I can tell.

Same in MD. We didn't' initially get nursing home data separately but now we get numbers for infected, recovered, dead broken out by staff and residents. We also get information by county and zip code. I am pleased with how our governor is handling this.
 
This is just not true. You realize we're a country of 330M. You need to look at the death rate by population. When you do that (and it's easy to do on Worldometers by clicking the arrow on the deaths per 1M people button) we are below several first world countries including the UK, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden, France and Spain.
So I take it Sweden is no longer the convenient example of the greatness of doing nothing? We darn well know it's no longer Brazil.
 
When you say "they" are you saying governors in other states or just Kentucky? Other governors have been caught....

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...n-t-know-how-many-nursing-homes-have-n1202281
https://www.indystar.com/story/news...sing-homes-lags-many-other-states/3067784001/
https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/nursing-home-coronavirus-deaths-dont-match-official-ny-state-tallies/
if you google nursing homes death news articles.... Multiple states did not handle the nursing home issues from the start. After the first incident in Washington State nursing home at start, it was known that nursing homes would the biggest hot spot...

hiding the deaths numbers that were occurring at nursing homes etc

Maybe people should do a public records request in Indiana? My county was tracking the long-term care facilities but would not disclose the names of the places. A main newspaper put in a public records request and voila we, the public, got the names of the facilities, the number of cases and numbers of death. Within a short time this information was added to the county's COVID-19 Dashboard with more information about it and has only gotten more precise as time goes on (giving the number of deaths from the facilities and giving the number of cases a zip code within my county has less the long-term care facilities which gives you a better idea of the spread). Sadly a new outbreak has just been identified which given that it's late May it's :sad2: that it's still happening.

I don't know that my county was doing it for nefarious reasons and I think that's important to have in mind. Easily these things can become politicized but I think it was more of a case over privacy concerns even if misguided. None of the facilities named gave patient names. Personally my husband and I found that defense of privacy concerns weak but we don't really think it was politically motivated either.

On a state level my state is not listing the cases from long-term care facilities on their COVID-19 Dashboard though they are tracking it but they do list "Cluster" information on their Summary report which was daily and is now MWF releases. Within the "Cluster" information they break it down into several categories Long-Term Care being one of them and shows the numbers of cases and the number closed as well as the number of deaths. But they are not giving out all the names and whatnot in that information.

I would imagine that counties typically can be the better place to go to for more in-depth information (not always but seems that way).

As an entire nation the long-term care facilities have not been handled well.
 
Our poor governor. 😭

A group made dummy with his face on it and hung it in effigy in front of the Capitol and then marched to the governor’s mansion, stood on the front porch and chanted hateful things. The flames of this behavior are being fanned by actual government leaders. One state senator in particular. It’s just sickening.

Of course the usual suspects that poured gas on the fire now condemn that the fire got too big.

An auto dealership fired an employee that participated. Good for them.

The Covidiot's wife was predictable.
"He was fired because this governor is more important than the regular joe out in this state trying to put food on their tables," Patsy Bush said Wednesday morning.

Maybe if he'd been genuinely trying to put food on the kids table instead of out being a covidiot, he'd still have his job.
 
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So I take it Sweden is no longer the convenient example of the greatness of doing nothing? We darn well know it's no longer Brazil.

Sweden didn’t do nothing - they prohibited gatherings over 50 people and closed high schools and universities. Like here, the senior facilities were hit hard. There has been speculation that other countries, Germany for example, are not coding deaths as Covid if the person had an underlying health condition.

To be clear, I do not find 100K to be that high or tragic of a number in a country of our size and from a natural cause. Especially when a large percentage of the deaths are in their 80s and 90s. As long as we prevent the hospitals from being overrun then we should let the virus run its course.
 
What the outrage should be is what happened at Nursing Homes. 40% - 50% of deaths occurred in Nursing Homes. Governors sending Coridiv 19 patients to nursing homes, hiding the deaths numbers that were occurring at nursing homes etc .... And NYC where 30% of deaths are, not sanitizing subways until recently...

The deaths in the nursing homes that had Covid 19 patients sent to all fall on the shoulders of that governor. So very sad that the beds were available and yet that was the choice that was made.

And the fact that a certain poster thinks it’s funny is truly mind blowing. Such a sad individual.
 
As long as we prevent the hospitals from being overrun then we should let the virus run its course.
I am not sure what the ramifications of that statement are, plus I am not sure you do either. I would feel more comfortable with your sentiment if a specialist in pandemics -and COVID 19- said that. As is, I firmly believe there are still elements of this virus that we aren't sure of, so even an educated guess of 'run its course' could be unspeakably horrific.
 
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Sweden didn’t do nothing - they prohibited gatherings over 50 people and closed high schools and universities.
Ah ah ah ah.... That's not what the proponents Sweden as a shining beacon were saying then. We shouldn't social distance. We shouldn't close businesses. We shouldn't stay at home. Then when someone brought that up it was Oh that don't matter none. They certainly were tossed out there as an example of the success of not doing what we were doing. And not surprisingly, we haven't heard a peep about it once that one went south. Brazil the same.

There has been speculation that other countries, Germany for example, are not coding deaths as Covid if the person had an underlying health condition.
That's convenient. Any numbers you don't like, speculate and claim they're fake numbers. I see the light now. Sweden is great. Norway, Finland, and Denmark must be putting out fake numbers and conspiring with Swedish hospitals to inflate Sweden's count. I got the scoop on the conspiracy. One that THEY don't want you to hear!!!!
To be clear, I do not find 100K to be that high or tragic of a number in a country of our size and from a natural cause. Especially when a large percentage of the deaths are in their 80s and 90s.
I really can't see where it's not tragic because a lot of them are old is coming from. Such a concept is completely out of my input vector. Please explain why old people dying makes it especially not tragic. So how many have to die and what ages do they have to be before it's a tragedy?
 
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Sweden didn’t do nothing - they prohibited gatherings over 50 people and closed high schools and universities. Like here, the senior facilities were hit hard. There has been speculation that other countries, Germany for example, are not coding deaths as Covid if the person had an underlying health condition.

To be clear, I do not find 100K to be that high or tragic of a number in a country of our size and from a natural cause. Especially when a large percentage of the deaths are in their 80s and 90s. As long as we prevent the hospitals from being overrun then we should let the virus run its course.
You don’t think it’s tragic that folks who would be alive right now are dead due to this virus? That the death count in some areas was 3 times the norm? Not all of the dead are even elderly. What about the mental heath of the healthcare workers? I guess it’s easy to put your head in the sand if you don’t see it personally. Maybe the Holocaust was a hoax too.
 
One aspect that still worries me is that I am not sure anyone is keeping numbers of African-Americans tested. This is a community hit especially hard by the virus partly because they are less likely to be in the position to isolate.

It doesn't do as much good to run up numbers of testing for folks who are well isolated. I know in my area a limited amount of asymptomatic testing has started, but it still isn't widespread or convenient. If you miss the one day they announced, you're out of luck.
 
One aspect that still worries me is that I am not sure anyone is keeping numbers of African-Americans tested. This is a community hit especially hard by the virus partly because they are less likely to be in the position to isolate.

It doesn't do as much good to run up numbers of testing for folks who are well isolated. I know in my area a limited amount of asymptomatic testing has started, but it still isn't widespread or convenient. If you miss the one day they announced, you're out of luck.

In our county 70% of all positives are in our Hispanic/Latino community. For very much the same reason. 😥

Thankfully our testing has increased across the board, for both symptomatic and asymptomatic people.
 
The deaths in the nursing homes that had Covid 19 patients sent to all fall on the shoulders of that governor. So very sad that the beds were available and yet that was the choice that was made.

And the fact that a certain poster thinks it’s funny is truly mind blowing. Such a sad individual.

It’s going to impact the deniers moreso than the people staying put. It’s just a matter of time before we reach 200k.
 
One aspect that still worries me is that I am not sure anyone is keeping numbers of African-Americans tested. This is a community hit especially hard by the virus partly because they are less likely to be in the position to isolate.

It doesn't do as much good to run up numbers of testing for folks who are well isolated. I know in my area a limited amount of asymptomatic testing has started, but it still isn't widespread or convenient. If you miss the one day they announced, you're out of luck.
Both my county and my state are keeping track of race and ethnicity as well as gender and age however they weren't in the beginning so in a way it's not reflective of accuracy (which they clearly state). There are 105 counties in my state so I couldn't tell ya what all of them are doing though. I do know the county above me has a higher latino community and has done targeted testing efforts for that; they also are tracking but haven't been since the beginning.

This is what my state's numbers are:
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Here is what my county's numbers are:
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But you can see regardless of keeping track now there's a decent portion in terms of the numbers unaccounted for. I know we're not the only place keeping track but unfortunately these efforts weren't done from the beginning so conclusions made from the tracking once it began can vary.
 
Especially when you realize it did not have to be this way. At all. Our death rate surpasses that of every other advanced nation. And for a country that keeps telling ourselves we have the "best" everything, this is unconscionable. And, unacceptable. As an example, Germany (1/4 our size) has 8498 deaths. By that measure, we should be tracking 34-35K deaths, NOT 100K plus. South Korea (1/7 our size) has had 269 fatalities. By that measure, we should be tracking less than 2000 deaths...not 100K plus. And, the fact that some people are not outraged by that simply defies explanation. Why is ANY of that ok? Why are people shrugging their shoulders and going "oh well." Seething with anger.
This is just not true. You realize we're a country of 330M. You need to look at the death rate by population. When you do that (and it's easy to do on Worldometers by clicking the arrow on the deaths per 1M people button) we are below several first world countries including the UK, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden, France and Spain.

We are also WELL above many other countries. And, I don't even bother with Sweden. Good grief. A country that rabidly refused to do a lock down. And, the UK waited far too long, and deliberately followed a "herd immunity" strategy until it became apparent that they would do horribly with that strategy. I do not get why we are trying to excuse our numbers. We are "allegedly" the BEST, right? And, yet we are accepting results which are god awful. Out of the 215 countries/areas listed, we are 12th. Great, we are not first. But, being in the top 5.5 % is hardly something to celebrate. Meaning we are WORSE than 94.5%. With more money spent per capita on health care by a long shot. Our numbers should be exceedingly low. Not exceedingly high.
:rolleyes1This exchange right here is a great example of why it's impossible to have an objective, informed discussion on some of these issues. Assertions carry the day, the facts don't really matter and there's so much conflicting and questionable information coming at us all non-stop, it's no wonder people have just given up on trying to discern the actual truth and have just dug into their opinion-bunkers.
 
:rolleyes1This exchange right here is a great example of why it's impossible to have an objective, informed discussion on some of these issues. Assertions carry the day, the facts don't really matter and there's so much conflicting and questionable information coming at us all non-stop, it's no wonder people have just given up on trying to discern the actual truth and have just dug into their opinion-bunkers.

One of my friends with a masters degree told me yesterday that COVID-19 is a Chinese virus activated by 5G cell towers. Folks are believing these wild conspiracy theories. If you thought misinformation was bad in 2016, it’s reached a whole another level these days.
 
One of my friends with a masters degree told me yesterday that COVID-19 is a Chinese virus activated by 5G cell towers. Folks are believing these wild conspiracy theories. If you thought misinformation was bad in 2016, it’s reached a whole another level these days.
Excluding the odd nutter, well-meaning people have been deeply confused by the ever-changing information coming from a million different sources. That we now know even some of the "official" information was either erroneous or deceptive is also a huge stumbling block. And I'm beginning to think it's actually too late for "facts". As the discourse I quoted proved, even when there is quantifiable data to the contrary of an assertion, it just gets spun or completely disregarded.
 
What the outrage should be is what happened at Nursing Homes. 40% - 50% of deaths occurred in Nursing Homes. Governors sending Coridiv 19 patients to nursing homes, hiding the deaths numbers that were occurring at nursing homes etc .... And NYC where 30% of deaths are, not sanitizing subways until recently...
Can you explain what happened in the nursing homes to me a little more? My brother referenced this to me today and so I thought I would look into it. They sent sick people TO the nursing homes?
 
Excluding the odd nutter, well-meaning people have been deeply confused by the ever-changing information coming from a million different sources. That we now know even some of the "official" information was either erroneous or deceptive is also a huge stumbling block. And I'm beginning to think it's actually too late for "facts". As the discourse I quoted proved, even when there is quantifiable data to the contrary of an assertion, it just gets spun or completely disregarded.

That’s scary.
 
You don’t think it’s tragic that folks who would be alive right now are dead due to this virus? That the death count in some areas was 3 times the norm? Not all of the dead are even elderly. What about the mental heath of the healthcare workers? I guess it’s easy to put your head in the sand if you don’t see it personally. Maybe the Holocaust was a hoax too.

I do not think Coronavirus is a hoax, I just don’t think the spread of it should be stopped within reason. I look at the deaths from the Holocaust as extremely tragic, but I don’t look at the deaths from the Spanish Flu or the Black Plague in the same way. Viruses exist in nature for a reason.
 
And the fact that a certain poster thinks it’s funny is truly mind blowing. Such a sad individual.
I don't recall any poster saying Covid deaths were funny in this thread. How is Jack doing?

You don’t think it’s tragic that folks who would be alive right now are dead due to this virus? That the death count in some areas was 3 times the norm? Not all of the dead are even elderly. What about the mental heath of the healthcare workers? I guess it’s easy to put your head in the sand if you don’t see it personally. Maybe the Holocaust was a hoax too.
Well that's part of it. Out of sight, out of mind. Take a random state like say Indiana. What would they be seeing if they had over 2,000 funeral processions in the last two months the majority of which would be in larger population centers where lots of people would see them. Would the reaction be different today and the thinking if the reality of death were a visible reminder multiple times daily? But the other part is a lack of empathy.

Can you explain what happened in the nursing homes to me a little more? My brother referenced this to me today and so I thought I would look into it. They sent sick people TO the nursing homes?
In New York, and some other states as well, under directive from U.S. officials, allowed hospitals, some of which had ICU patients in the hallways, to discharge patients that were recovering and no longer needing critical care to nursing homes and the homes, if they had the facilities to handle covid patients, were told to take them. It turned out to be a poor decision. The count is a bit over 4500 such patients in total for New York according to the AP. However, we really don't know how many deaths were because of this vs otherwise. Louisiana, a state that did not allow such transfers though they had fewer nursing home deaths than did New York, had a higher ratio of nursing home deaths/total deaths over the time period than did New York. So we really can't establish a definitive causal link and say X people died because of these transfers.
 
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