What's in a BLT? - Or, Configuration of the Tower *UPDATED 11/23*

[wdrl]

I wonder how many more points they have left to sell for February UY? They should have plenty for the other UY, but it seemed like 80% of all contracts in the last month have been for February.

It certainly looks like February is the predominant UY for BLT. When we bought into BLT in early May, our Guide said that they were selling contracts with February UYs. The deeds that were recorded 7/10-7/15 still show this emphasis: 23 of the 40 units and 69.6% of the points have February UYs. By comparison, March had 2 units assigned to it, April had 1 unit, June had 2 units, August had 3, September had 4, October had 2, and December had 3. I wonder if a review of deeds for BLT from an earlier period would also show such a skewed sample of UYs. Do you know if Guides are still using February as the default on new contracts they are currently selling?

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

 

[DenLo]

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

Yes, please, does anyone know the answer to wdrl's question?

 

[spiceycat]

A general question about DVD operations: Does DVD try to distribute the points for a resort equally among the 8 UYs? Or does it stack them primarily in one or two months and sprinkle the remaining points in the other months?

yes - they divide the points equal among the uys. they have to.

would hope it would be March or April by now

 

[wdrl]

yes - they divide the points equal among the uys. they have to.

would hope it would be March or April by now

Actually, two of the units in the very first declaration by DVD, Unit 3a and Unit 4a, have March and April, respectively, as their UY. A lot of contracts for these two units were sold and recorded in the first 4 months of BLT sales. If I can find some time in the next few days, I want to go back through the OCC records and find the UY assigned to each declared unit.

 

[dizfan]

From what I've seen, Disney allocates the points for a specific room to a specific UY. For example, 4A was used for April UY. I haven't seen any contracts for 4A that don't belong to any other UY.

When they have sent out enough contracts to use up the points, they move onto another room. This doesn't mean the room is fully sold out. Some contracts don't get returned, so after awhile they will sell them again. Some times there's small amounts of points left and they look for just the right match.

If that holds true, we should be able to figure out roughly how many points have at least been sent out for the various UY.

Here's some rooms from when BLT contracts first started showing up. I'm not sure of the exact number of points for a room. The formula I used was to take # points for a contract and divide by the percentage of the room that is for. For example, 160 pts with an undivided .4073% interest would be 160 divided by .004073 = 39283 point for that room. Then I rounded to make it easier.

2A Feb ~39280 pts
2B March ~19640
3A March ~39280
3B April ~19640
4A April ~39280
4B June ~19640
5B Aug ~19640
5C Aug ~19640
6A Sept 39280
6B Sept ~19640
7A Oct ~19640
7B Oct ~19640
7C Dec ~19640
8A Dec ~39280
8B Feb ~19640
9A Dec ~19640
9B Feb ~19640
9C Feb ~19640
10A March
10B April 19640
11A Feb 19640
11B Feb 19640
11C Feb 19640
12A June 39280
12B Feb 19640
13A Aug 19640
13B Feb 19640
13C Feb 19640
14A Feb 39280
18A Dec 39280
19C June 39280
36A Feb ~39280

If I get some time, I'll update as I find time to locate rooms, UY, and points.

 

[wdrl]

From what I've seen, Disney allocates the points for a specific room to a specific UY. For example, 4A was used for April UY. I haven't seen any contracts for 4A that don't belong to any other UY.


If I get some time, I'll update as I find time to locate rooms, UY, and points.

My data is in agreement with your data. Between the two of us, we have 63 units identified with their UY and approximate number of points. A summary by UY shows the following:

Month Units Points

February 34 1,015,090
March 4 133,175
April 3 78,560
June 4 133,175
August 4 98,200
September 5 117,840
October 4 78,560
December 5 157,120

Total: 63 1,811,720

The actual breakout is as follows:

2a February 39280
8b February 19640
9b February 19640
9c February 19640
11a February 19640
11b February 19640
11c February 19640
12b February 39280
13b February 19640
13c February 19640
14a February 39280
16b February 19640
20a February 39280
23a February 39280
25b February 19640
26c February 39280
27a February 39280
28a February 19640
28b February 19640
28c February 19640
29a February 39280
30a February 39280
33c February 39280
34a February 39280
36a February 39280
39a February 39280
82b February 34975
87a February 34975
87b February 34975
87c February 19640
88a February 34975
88b February 34975
88c February 19640
2b March 19640
3a March 39280
10a March 39280
82a March 34975
3b April 19640
4a April 39280
10b April 19640
4b June 19640
12a June 39280
19c June 39280
82c June 34975
5b August 19640
5c August 19640
13a August 19640
32a August 39280
6a September 39280
6b September 19640
19b September 19640
21b September 19640
21c September 19640
7a October 19640
7b October 19640
14b October 19640
23b October 19640
7c December 19640
8a December 39280
9a December 19640
16a December 39280
18a December 39280

As Dizfan points out, the points for each unit is an approximation based on the percentages and points shown on the recorded deeds.

If DVD has only declared up to the 7th floor and the Grand Villas on the top floor, then there are a lot more units left to be declared, not to mention a lot more points left to be sold.

 

[dizfan]

wdrl thanks for all the research!!!

If I added the numbers right, that means DVD has over 1 million point for Feb.

Either BLT has far more than 6 million points or Disney's oversold Feb points. Any chance they are really selling points for 2 towers?

 

[TSMIII]

First post updated to reflect the most recent declaration of units on 7/20.

 

[wdrl]

The following is for all of you numbers freaks who can't get enough numbers.

I've gone back through the BLT declarations and recorded deeds available from the Orange County Comptroller website and have updated and revised data regarding the units, declared and undeclared, and the associated points and Use years for the units. This data reflects the BLT Declaration #9 that was filed on 7/20/2009 with OCC.

The table below updated on 7/28/2009 to reflect new deeds and to reclassify Units 01a and 01b as undeclared

Declared Phases:

Month # of Units # of Points Pct of Declared Pct of Grand Total

February......52............1,407,890.............51.19%.............24.17%
March...........4...............133,175.............4.84%...............2.29%
April.............4.................98,200.............3.57%..............1.69%
June..............4..............133,175..............4.84%..............2.29%
August...........5..............117,840..............4.28%..............2.02%
September.....6...............137,480.............5.00%..............2.36%
October.........4................78,560..............2.86%..............1.35%
December......6...............176,760..............6.43%..............3.03%
Unknown.......22..............467,055............16.98%..............8.02%

Declared
Total...........107............2,750,135...................................47.21%


Undeclared
Total...........117............3,075,405....................................52.79%

Grand
Total...........224...........5,825,540


The term "unit" does not mean a separate DVC accommodation, such a GV or 2-bedroom villa. DVD is declaring BLT to the DVC in phases. They have designated 92 phases for BLT. Each phase has two or three units, and each unit has one or two two-bedrooms villas, or one Grand Villa. For example, Phase 14 has unit 14a, with two two-bedroom villas in it, and unit 14b, with one two-bedroom villa in it. The number of points assigned to each unit is dependent on the square footage of the villas in the unit. A unit with one two-bedroom has about 19,640 points assigned to it. A unit with two two-bedrooms has about 39,280 points assigned to it. A unit with a Grand Villa has about 34,975 assigned to it. Each floor from the 4th to the 12th has 17 units and accounts for 432,080 points.

The UY for the declared units were confirmed by looking at recorded deeds on the OCC website. The 25 units with "unknown" UY are units that have been declared but have yet to have a deed recorded.

Based on this data, it looks like BLT will have over 5.8 million points. If DVD keeps 2%, it still leaves 5.7 million that could be sold to the DVC.

It also looks like February will be the most common UY. Even if not a single undeclared unit is assigned to February, over 26% of the points will have a February UY once BLT is sold out. I reread the BLT Declaration of Condominium, and I can't see where it says that points HAVE to be equally distributed among the UY.

One final thing: It looks like I have waaaaaay too much time on my hands.

As DVD makes more declarations, and more deeds are recorded, we'll be able to update and revise these numbers.

 

[DVCGeek]

One final thing: It looks like I have waaaaaay too much time on my hands.

Perhaps , but I am one of those who enjoy reading your number collections!

 

[dizfan]

Perhaps , but I am one of those who enjoy reading your number collections!

I second this opinion.

Really helps people understand where things are at WDW and gives us a much better idea of how DVC sales work.

I think it really helps new buyers determine fact from sales talk. Whether intentional or not, a few people are reporting their guide as saying BLT is almost sold out. Facts show that's not the case. Considering the US has been in a recession for awhile before BLT started selling, it's selling well, but not even 50% sold out.

 

[dizfan]

My data is in agreement with your data. Between the two of us, we have 63 units identified with their UY and approximate number of points. A summary by UY shows the following:

Month Units Points

February 34 1,015,090
March 4 133,175
April 3 78,560
June 4 133,175
August 4 98,200
September 5 117,840
October 4 78,560
December 5 157,120

Total: 63 1,811,720

The actual breakout is as follows:

2a February 39280
8b February 19640
9b February 19640
9c February 19640
11a February 19640
11b February 19640
11c February 19640
12b February 39280
13b February 19640
13c February 19640
14a February 39280
16b February 19640
20a February 39280
23a February 39280
25b February 19640
26c February 39280
27a February 39280
28a February 19640
28b February 19640
28c February 19640
29a February 39280
30a February 39280
33c February 39280
34a February 39280
36a February 39280
39a February 39280
82b February 34975
87a February 34975
87b February 34975
87c February 19640
87b February 34975
88a February 34975
88b February 34975
88c February 19640
2b March 19640
3a March 39280
10a March 39280
82a March 34975
3b April 19640
4a April 39280
10b April 19640
4b June 19640
12a June 39280
19c June 39280
82c June 34975
5b August 19640
5c August 19640
13a August 19640
32a August 39280
6a September 39280
6b September 19640
19b September 19640
21b September 19640
21c September 19640
7a October 19640
7b October 19640
14b October 19640
23b October 19640
7c December 19640
8a December 39280
9a December 19640
16a December 39280
18a December 39280

As Dizfan points out, the points for each unit is an approximation based on the percentages and points shown on the recorded deeds.

If DVD has only declared up to the 7th floor and the Grand Villas on the top floor, then there are a lot more units left to be declared, not to mention a lot more points left to be sold.

Just noticed Unit 87b is listed twice here.

Also, based on documented contracts posted 7/27, unit 89A is 34975 points and another Feb UY.

 

[wdrl]

Just noticed Unit 87b is listed twice here.

Also, based on documented contracts posted 7/27, unit 89A is 34975 points and another Feb UY.

I've corrected the data in my earlier post removing the duplicate entry for unit 87b.

I will also update my charts to reflect Unit 89A as a confirmed February UY. I've got to take the nieces to see G-Force (Disney movie, of course), so I probably won't get around to updating the UY chart until tonight.

Its interesting that unit 89A was part of the latest declaration of units made on 7/15/09 and recorded on 7/20/09. I'm curious to see whether DVD sold the contract before they made the declaration. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that DVD declared units before it started selling them. Learn something new every day!

Thanks Dizfan!!

 

[dizfan]

I've got to take the nieces to see G-Force (Disney movie, of course), so I probably won't get around to updating the UY chart until tonight.

Enjoy the movie.

Its interesting that unit 89A was part of the latest declaration of units made on 7/15/09 and recorded on 7/20/09. I'm curious to see whether DVD sold the contract before they made the declaration. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that DVD declared units before it started selling them. Learn something new every day!

wdrl, nice catch. These 89A contracts are from before the July 15th declaration date. There's at least one from July 1. Also at least one with a typed date of July 2, instead of the handwritten date.

A couple more to add to the list
37A February 39280
31A April 19640

 

[wdrl]

On 7/28/2009, I updated the table shown in my Post #49. I added unit 89a as another February UY, but I also had to clean up some misclassifications in my earlier post. I recently found out that DVD has not declared Phase 1 (Units 01a & 01b). Thanks to dizfan for spotting new deeds on the OCC website.

 

[tiggspring]

I had some questions about availability and was directed to this thread all I can say is WOW!! and Thanks!!!

 

[mousescrapper]

thanks for the update on the rooms...

we are intersted in the 2BR Dedicated, so this helps to get an idea where they are and guesstimate the views

 

[wdrl]

I have updated my Numbers spreadsheet to show DVD declarations by Unit and Use Year. This data is as of 8/07/2009.

The term "unit" does not mean a separate DVC accommodation, such a GV or 2-bedroom villa. DVD is declaring BLT to the DVC in phases. They have designated 92 phases for BLT. Each phase has two or three units, and each unit has one or two two-bedrooms villas, or one Grand Villa. For example, Phase 14 has unit 14a, with two two-bedroom villas in it, and unit 14b, with one two-bedroom villa in it. The number of points assigned to each unit is dependent on the square footage of the villas in the unit. A unit with one two-bedroom has about 19,640 points assigned to it. A unit with two two-bedrooms has about 39,280 points assigned to it. A unit with a Grand Villa has about 34,975 assigned to it. Each floor from the 4th to the 12th has 17 units and accounts for 432,080 points.

 

[lark]

This thread rocks.

I find the configuration maps really interesting. Does anyone have a sense yet of which rooms are the one that are designated MK view? Will it only be the ones in the center section? That certainly seems to be the case. Putting the GVs to the side, there are 54 2BR units in the center section facing the MK. This is out of a total of 267 2BR units, for almost exactly 20 percent -- the often repeated number.

However, in this center section, most of the units are dedicated 2BR. There are only 18 lock offs, so that would suggest only 18 true 1 BR or studios with MK view. So, while 20 percent of the overall units may have MK views, only about 12 percent of the studios or 1 BRs have MK views -- and there are only 18 of each total.

I think this means that once the resort is sold, 1 BR and studio MK views are going to be very hard to come by. And if you assume that at least some of the lockoffs are going to be locked off, it also means that a higher proportion of the 2BRs than 20 percent will be MK views.

 

[wdrl]

This thread rocks.

I find the configuration maps really interesting. Does anyone have a sense yet of which rooms are the one that are designated MK view? Will it only be the ones in the center section? That certainly seems to be the case. Putting the GVs to the side, there are 54 2BR units in the center section facing the MK. This is out of a total of 267 2BR units, for almost exactly 20 percent -- the often repeated number.

However, in this center section, most of the units are dedicated 2BR. There are only 18 lock offs, so that would suggest only 18 true 1 BR or studios with MK view. So, while 20 percent of the overall units may have MK views, only about 12 percent of the studios or 1 BRs have MK views -- and there are only 18 of each total.

I think this means that once the resort is sold, 1 BR and studio MK views are going to be very hard to come by. And if you assume that at least some of the lockoffs are going to be locked off, it also means that a higher proportion of the 2BRs than 20 percent will be MK views.

You make a very interesting point. I also suspect, but don't know for a fact, that all of the MK view villas are located on center portion of the BLT crescent; there are villas on the north portion from which you can see the MK, but they are labelled as LV rooms (see Jonesmatny's live trip blog from BLT). Lark estimates there are only 54 two-bedroom villas that will be labelled as MK view. However, I think there are 62 villas that are MK views. I think Lark counted only those villas on floors 4 through 12. However, in someone's trip report, I thought I read that they were assigned an MK view villa on the 3rd floor. I wonder if the 2nd and 3rd floors will be considered MK views. We'll need to get confirmation from a reliable source on this point.