What is UP with the Country Bear Jamboree?

[Magpie]

What are indigo children?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

*shudder*

Indigo is old school anyway - they're onto "crystal children" now.

The problem I have with this is that it's a terrible burden to put on a child. "You are mystical. You are a new breed of human. You will change the world." That's not a gift! It's terrifying and there's no way the child can live up to the expectations.

 

[saquin]

The only problem is, the 'indigo children' that are at the center of today's universe will be adults and raising their own kids within 10-15 years.

Oh my God, don't mention "indigo children".
I never knew what that meant until a short while ago. I work in a library and a nice old grandmother came in looking for a book on "indigo children" because her daughter apparently thinks her children might fit the bill. Apparently, from what I learned, there's some kind of new-agey theory that there's a new breed of children, the "indigo children", who are more sensitive to the ways of the universe, perceptive, etc. (Of course, every parent thinks their child fits this description. ). The hallmarks of an "indigo child" is that they oppose unquestioned authority, have a strong sense of entitlement, believe they are special and have a higher purpose in life, etc. etc.

Basically, spoiled children who have been constantly told they are "special" and never told "no". Hmmm, wonder where that came from?

 

[autumnbaby9]

I've got kids and you don't know anything about raising children.

Of course you don't. You don't *have* children yet. Your child-rearing approach will develop to suit the unique individual you end up with.

When I had one child I thought I knew everything about raising children. When I had two, I realized I only knew everything about raising MY children. I don't know a darned thing about anyone else's.

Well I do have children and I feel the same she does.

I caught my daughter misbehaving at school (I was picking something up and I happened to go to the bathroom the same time she had) I draged her back to class and let the teacher come up with whatever punishment she felt was neccesary.

My daughter talked back to me and she was put to bed without supper, she survived and didn't starve to death.

She complained that she isn't doing as well as some other kids in her gymnastic class and I told her she needed to step it up if she wanted to get better, I didn't tell the coach she needed to tone it down for her.

If these children are to survive on there own then parents need to teach them they are not the center of the universe and they are not going to get their own way everytime. And they need to expose them to the dangers in the world so they don't go out and run into them without some warning.

 

[MScott1851]

I've got kids and you don't know anything about raising children.

Of course you don't. You don't *have* children yet. Your child-rearing approach will develop to suit the unique individual you end up with.

When I had one child I thought I knew everything about raising children. When I had two, I realized I only knew everything about raising MY children. I don't know a darned thing about anyone else's.

True. I bet my mom thought she was losing her mind with me and my brother. He and I are polar opposites and I can't imagine her having to switch back and forth trying to keep both of us in check. No wonder she had days that she didn't comb her hair and hid in the closet. Hahahaha!

And I lifted this from a website about "indigo children."

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

Sound like any kids you know? There are entire websites for parents, offering them tips on how to 'deal' with these children and on how to get schools to alter their curriculum to accommodate them.

 

[Briarmom]

So this is my question, completely off topic from the Country Bears, but nonetheless related in a roundabout way. I'm serious as a heart attack. Where did all this political-correctness run amok and helicopter parenting over the past ten years or so actually come from?

I am 31, and DH and I are thinking about having children. There is no doubt in my mind that I will be the "bad" mother on my block because my kids are NOT going to be covered in bubble wrap with earplugs sitting on a throne til they're 18. By gosh, I ate dirt and watched TV and listened to questionable music and got spankings and I turned out just fine.

DH and I are constantly shaking out head in amazement at the stories our teacher friends tell us about self entitled parents/children they have to deal with. I guess maybe we SHOULDN'T have kids because we still don't understand a lot of things that are going on today. We don't get the "no punishment" thing in schools. We don't get the "time out" thing that some of our friends employ (with NO results.) We don't get the "no winners" thing in sports. We don't get the bad grades being the teacher's fault. We don't get the kid getting in trouble being someone elses' fault.

Whatever happened to parents taking responsibility for their own actions, and children being made to understand that for every action or inaction (like not doing homework), there is a consequence that applies to THEM? Not mom and dad flying up to the school to whine that the teacher isn't being fair. Or if your kid's baseball team doesn't win a game, maybe it's because they weren't as good and they need to practice more and losing sucks, but it happens. Give them encouragement and A+ for effort, but winning comes with a combination of hard work AND natural skill. Just like everything else in REAL LIFE.

I'm sorry, but I thought that a parent's role in child rearing was to prepare their child for the path, not the path for their child.

(Going off my soapbox to don my flame-retardant suit so that people with kids can tell me I don't know anything about raising children. )

I agree with you. This crap is getting way out of hand. I was just watching 60 minutes and they had a long story about the Millenial generation. All of these kids getting jobs and expecting to be patted on the back and given 'prizes' for mediocrity (or worse).
This story terrified me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml

 

[moppety]

(Going off my soapbox to don my flame-retardant suit so that people with kids can tell me I don't know anything about raising children. )

I'm a new mommy, started late in life (I'm almost 39 and my two boys are 1 1/2 and almost 3) and all I can say is having them doesn't always mean someone knows how to raise them *cough*Britney*cough*. I told my OB she was going to have to go back in and look for the Owners Manual

As I watched people around me have kids, I watched their successes and most importantly their mistakes. I learned what I did not want to do, and I learned the kind of parent I did not want to be. Political correctness doesn't fare too well in my household. My children will lose games, skin their knees and they will have serious consequences if they mess up.

They will, however, watch Disney movies and have many trips to see the Mouse and ALL of his friends. But that's the decision we made as parents. With all of the real threats in the world, Disney doesn't even make it to the "danger" list for us.

 

[Briarmom]

And I lifted this from a website about "indigo children."

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

Sound like any kids you know? There are entire websites for parents, offering them tips on how to 'deal' with these children and on how to get schools to alter their curriculum to accommodate them.

This sounds like a lot of adults I see at WDW.

 

[drew64]

The original topic of this thread was bizarre - now it is truly off topic and off the deep end.

 

[DznyLvr2005]

It's HORRIBLE!!! The audio is all messed up and some slutty bear is singing about being turned off and on...
HORRIBLE!!
Disney should be ashamed, the animatronics are all messed up and that audio.. tinny and bad!

 

[Lisa Hale]

It's HORRIBLE!!! The audio is all messed up and some slutty bear is singing about being turned off and on...
HORRIBLE!!
Disney should be ashamed, the animatronics are all messed up and that audio.. tinny and bad!

Yeah...if I'm gonna listen to a slutty bear, I want to know exactly what she's sayin'!

 

[MScott1851]

I agree with you. This crap is getting way out of hand. I was just watching 60 minutes and they had a long story about the Millenial generation. All of these kids getting jobs and expecting to be patted on the back and given 'prizes' for mediocrity (or worse).
This story terrified me.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml

There was a very similar article on CNN.com several months ago, talking about the same phenomenon. Want more money, less hours, have no loyalty to a company, etc. Someone printed it out and put it on the bulletin board at work. It's a trend seen in every profession.

I'm a nurse, and the altruistic component of "why I became a nurse" is hardly ever heard anymore. Most of the new grads we hire are interested in making as much money as quickly as possible or just use the hospital to get a year of critical care experience on their way to a traveling gig, or NP or CRNA school. DH works at a television station, and has several open positions that he simply cannot find anyone to fill. He has interviewed fifteen people for photographer/editor/producer positions, and people show up in jeans, with no resumes, asking what the pay is BEFORE he even goes over their experience, etc. Or, else, they have NO experience, and expect him to hire them in a top fifty news market instead of putting in their time in a place like Podunk, Alabama.

 

[myotherdisname]

Big Al's voice on Blood on the Saddle is provided by Tex Ritter, who sang the song originally. If you are offended by this, then please don't ever listen to any country music. Or rock. Or blues. Better stick to humming gospel music.

ummmmmmmmmmmhuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmm

 

[moppety]

Yeah...if I'm gonna listen to a slutty bear, I want to know exactly what she's sayin'!

 

[AnnetteF]

Yikes!!!!! I only had time to read the first and last pages of this thread. I have no idea what is going on here now but it looks like it went waaaaaay off topic.
I just wanted to say that I Love the CBJ as it is one of the great old original and unchanged WDW attractions. I completely disagree with the OP and think this attraction is charming and endearing, blood on the saddle and all!!! and I truly hope it never goes the way of POTC with all of its "politically correct" changes! The humor would be completely lost without it, just like in POTC which, in my opinion, will never be the same!

 

[mickeysgal]

I really worry about all these sheltered children when they become adults and find out the the entire world isn't wrapped in cotton to protect them. They're not going to be able to handle anything.

They're never going to know what hit them.

And being so totally unprepared for some of the harsh and even the soft realities of life...now thats the real shame of it all.

 

[Magpie]

Well I do have children and I feel the same she does.

I caught my daughter misbehaving at school (I was picking something up and I happened to go to the bathroom the same time she had) I draged her back to class and let the teacher come up with whatever punishment she felt was neccesary.

My daughter talked back to me and she was put to bed without supper, she survived and didn't starve to death.

She complained that she isn't doing as well as some other kids in her gymnastic class and I told her she needed to step it up if she wanted to get better, I didn't tell the coach she needed to tone it down for her.

If these children are to survive on there own then parents need to teach them they are not the center of the universe and they are not going to get their own way everytime. And they need to expose them to the dangers in the world so they don't go out and run into them without some warning.

I said she didn't know anything because she said that's what she was waiting to hear. I didn't want her to have put on that flame retardant suit for nothing!

Of course I think children should be taught good manners. What I mean is that the way to do this differs with each child. Application versus theory!

My son used to put himself in time out! He needs space to calm down, and I taught him to remove himself from situations that were upsetting him. My daughter needs hugs and "time in" when she's upset. Neither get their own way all the time. Both respond well to natural consequences. A raised voice gets my daughter's attention, while yelling simply makes my son crumble and then you can't talk to him at all. Spanking turned out not to be necessary for either, thankfully!

But I mean, I can go on about how polite and well-mannered my kids are but the fact is that you've never met them. For all you know they're brats. All I'm saying is, I parent differently for each of them because each one is an individual. And the OP, when she has a child of her own, will hopefully be flexible to adapt her philosophy to the needs of her unique child.

 

[MScott1851]

I said she didn't know anything because she said that's what she was waiting to hear. I didn't want her to have put on that flame retardant suit for nothing!

I think I look smashing! I can rock a shiny silver hooded suit like no one else!

 

[PrincessTiff]

Just a wild guess, but I think it's because Dory likes to swim with girls.

I'm not so sure HoP should stay open, either. Afterall, Clinton is in it.

Very true.

 

[drew64]

Yeah...if I'm gonna listen to a slutty bear, I want to know exactly what she's sayin'!


Maybe they coudl have her do a duet with the mermaid in the suggestive clam shells

 

[Magpie]

True. I bet my mom thought she was losing her mind with me and my brother. He and I are polar opposites and I can't imagine her having to switch back and forth trying to keep both of us in check. No wonder she had days that she didn't comb her hair and hid in the closet. Hahahaha!

And I lifted this from a website about "indigo children."

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).

Heh - I think this is true of ALL infants! Man, I never felt so much like a slave as I did the first time I heard my baby cry and broke into a cold sweat. Must. Feed. Baby. NOW! And no one's bossier than a 2yo, lol! The shame is when people assume this is the way their child IS, and don't try to civilize them.

2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.

We all deserve to be here, by virtue of being born here. What I tell my kids is that you can give up that right, by the way you act. If you are mean, nasty, or hurtful, you don't deserve to be around nice people.

3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."

They are who they are, and if I've raised my kids right, self-worth shouldn't be an issue. Of course, I think self-worth is being able to look yourself in the mirror at night and say, "I did good today!"

4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).

So do I!

5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.

"Well, sorry kid. You simply will do certain things, or you will accept the consequences. If you won't wait in line, then you don't get to ride. It's sad, but there you go. I'm going over here to wait in line, you can stay there and watch me have fun." Unfortunately my son is a master of cutting off his nose to spite his face. "I'm sitting here missing the ride, and I LIKE IT!"

6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.

Don't we all? Sometimes you just got to do what you just got to do. Do it quickly and the pain will be over faster.

7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).

Hey, sell me your idea. I'll listen, if it's presented politely! Sometimes the system stinks, but even in "Footloose" they first went to Town Hall to try to get the ban on dancing lifted.

8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.

Everyone likes to be with people of similar mind. How many of us felt like aliens until we got to university and discovered that there really *were* people just like us out there? (Okay, maybe it was just me... )

9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").

Eh. One kid does, one kid doesn't. But I think the kid who doesn't is faking it.

10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.[/I]

Children generally aren't! And if it's really something they *need* (versus want) then we can probably work something out. That's why my 9yo has a paper route - so he can afford Yu-gi-oh cards!

Sound like any kids you know? There are entire websites for parents, offering them tips on how to 'deal' with these children and on how to get schools to alter their curriculum to accommodate them.

It sounds like every child I know, and most adults, too.

I love it when they try to repackage something old as something new.