What is UP with the Country Bear Jamboree?

[Texa]

EEK! I use that word all the time. I NEVER once thought of it in the same context as the other word which begins with another letter. EVER!!!

Wow, I didn't realize that was so bad. Ok, I will take it out of my vocabulary. I'm actually being serious. I didn't know it was so offensive.

Well my kids are 5 and 10, so it would not be appropriate for them to use or hear. I hear a lot worse from my students (college) so I guess it's all about context.

 

[jipsy]

I was confused at the OP. I couldn't figure out where in Big Al's performance of "Blood on the Saddle" did the words turn me on/turn me off come in?

There was a baptist church in my hometown that opened their own school for kids in grades 1-9. These kids were EXTREMELY sheltered by their "good, christian parents" and not allowed alot of things. Boy, when they hit high school in 10th grade... they were the worst ones of the whole school. All of a sudden they were exposed to the "real world" and they were the ones who smoked the most cigarettes and pot, took the most pills and drank the most alcohol. They also had reputations of having alot of teenage sex.

Rather than censor my child by not allowing him to watch a Disney movie or attraction, I preferred to explain things to him the right way.

To the lady who avoids all the attractions, I am curious exactly what DO you let your kids experience at disney other than the people mover?

 

[yearbook50]

I googled Finding Nemo and Offensive and apparently it conveys racial inferiority.

how?

 

[Mike©]

Boy these threads just keep getting stranger by the month .

 

[Texa]

:There was a baptist church in my hometown that opened their own school for kids in grades 1-9. These kids were EXTREMELY sheltered by their "good, christian parents" and not allowed alot of things. Boy, when they hit high school in 10th grade... they were the worst ones of the whole school. All of a sudden they were exposed to the "real world" and they were the ones who smoked the most cigarettes and pot, took the most pills and drank the most alcohol. They also had reputations of having alot of teenage sex.

Rather than censor my child by not allowing him to watch a Disney movie or attraction, I preferred to explain things to him the right way.

I agree that its the parents job, not only to censor their material, but to have conversations with them and teach them how to "deal" with questionable information in the real world. I (and yes I am a Christian) allow my DS 10 to read Harry Potter and we discuss it, in the context of the book, and in the context of the real world and why it might be censored by people who share our faith.
When he's older (14 or more) I'll allow him to read the Golden Compass and again discuss it in and out of context (I had to read it for a graduate lit class).
My son does not get a free for all in the things he gets to chose to say, watch, and see. But I've seen enough kids who implode once they get on their own if they are censored too much without the tools to deal with information overload once they get in the real world, and unless I win the lottery my son is going to continue to go to public school through the University years. I teach Freshman Comp and Lit at a state University and understand how eye opening THAT will be.

 

[haleofafamily]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!" Now having children of my own I realize that they don't get stuff like that.
I would also like to defend homeschool parents and students. We homeschool our children for various reasons. We also let them watch Disney movies and ride most rides at Disney. (The only ones they don't ride are ones they choose not too because they think they will be scared.) Our children are both sheltered from and exposed to things when we think it is appropriate for them at their individual development stage.
By the way, I graduated from a Christian high school and never "did drugs, drank or had teeenage sex" when I was "exposed to the real world"
I really did not want to get on a soap box but stereotyping goes both ways.

 

[CanadianGuy]

This has really turned into a Community Board discussion.

The OP's question about has CJB always been this way has been answered.

Yes. It has.

Knox

 

[Twitterpated Dad]

Honestly, if I may speak in the OP's defense, I think what we may be experiencing here is a deeply held cultural difference. See, we humans find blood of any kind, loose taking females and child abuse very disturbing and inappropriate, but in the bear community, and in the "country" bear community in particular, these so-called improprieties aren't looked at as wrong or inappropriate at all. If fact, they are encouraged from a very early age. All I can say is that until we learn to embrace our cultural differences, humans and bears will never successfully coexist and become brothers. Why can't we all just get along?!?!

(walks into room and looks around)
(sees that room is filled with many people that might possibly be insane)
(backs slowly towards the door)

And now, with a complete lack of caution, but, with an abundance of respect for all...

wow- i can see that here on the disboards....having a different OPINION than the majority is definitely NOT a good thing. its my OPINION that i found the lyrics offensive. if i had known what they sing about in advance, i probably would not have taken my kids in. i am in noooo way uptight, or a controlling parent who doesnt let my kids experience life- but do i think they need to be exposed to those lyrics? no. and especially since the attraction is boring and in my OPINION pretty much sucks. so big deal- i asked if anyone else was offended? did i say they need to remove the attraction from disney? no. for everyone who is getting so upset- get over it. it was a comment, i thought this was a place to DISCUSS disney... but now i see you can only discuss things that the majority agrees upon. pretty sad.

I agree that it's always dangerous to criticize Disney. Unless, of course, you're complaining about changes to the dining plan.

This board is wonderful. But, it is often difficult to fully express ourselves. Smilies help. It's just so easy to mistake a different opinion for a lack of respect.

I feel that the PC movement has gone too far. And, I suspect that you're right about an over reaction here. You didn't call for the show to be adjusted. However, I'm sure that some people took it that way.

I went when I was younger and saw this show, and I just got back from taking my kids to see it- 3 and 4....was it always so disturbing??? I dont remember them singing about "blood on the streets" and "all the guys that turn me on, turn me down!" I couldnt believe it. Am I the only one who thinks this is inappropriate??

I think that you answer your first question. It wasn't disturbing to you when you were younger. And, it probably won't have any negative affect on your children.

Bottom line: I don't think anyone would (or should) challenge your right to try and pass on your values to your children. Many people feel that it is futile to try and isolate children from all that is bad. It's a balancing act that we all play. How much do we avoid v. How much do we experience and then discuss (or perhaps, discuss, experience and discuss again and again). This balancing act is different for every child and obviously changes over time.

I hope that your family continues to enjoy the Disney Magic. And, please don't feel that your opinions are unwelcome or unvalued.

 

[saquin]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!" Now having children of my own I realize that they don't get stuff like that.

I think that's a really important point. Adults assume that kids see and hear what the adults see and hear but the truth is that most of the time these things go right over kids' heads (UNLESS a big deal is made of it, in which case the kid will work hard to figure out what was "bad" about it).

An example from my own childhood... In 2nd grade I had a great teacher whom I loved. She would let us bring in 45rpm records (anyone remember what they were? ) on Friday's and play some of them during our break time in the classroom. A big hit at that time was the song "Afternoon Delight" by Starland Vocal Band. Someone brought that 45 in and all of us little 8 year olds were happily dancing and singing along to the pretty melody when my teacher got flustered and took it off the record player, saying we couldn't play that song. None of us had ANY idea why or what the song was about. The ONLY reason I remember this incident was because she made a big deal of it. NOW as an adult, I know what the song was referring to (though when I told my 65 year old mother this story recently, she said "really? I had no idea what that song was about either. I never really thought about it, just thought it was pretty" ) but as 8 year olds, even singing along with it word for word, it went right over our heads and we would never have even thought about it if the teacher hadn't taken it off the player and told us it was "bad". THEN we thought about it a lot, in an effort to figure out what was "bad" about it, and truthfully I don't think we ever figured it out at the time.

 

[CheshireVal]

I think that's a really important point. Adults assume that kids see and hear what the adults see and hear but the truth is that most of the time these things go right over kids' heads (UNLESS a big deal is made of it, in which case the kid will work hard to figure out what was "bad" about it).

An example from my own childhood... In 2nd grade I had a great teacher whom I loved. She would let us bring in 45rpm records (anyone remember what they were? ) on Friday's and play some of them during our break time in the classroom. A big hit at that time was the song "Afternoon Delight" by Starland Vocal Band. Someone brought that 45 in and all of us little 8 year olds were happily dancing and singing along to the pretty melody when my teacher got flustered and took it off the record player, saying we couldn't play that song. None of us had ANY idea why or what the song was about. The ONLY reason I remember this incident was because she made a big deal of it. NOW as an adult, I know what the song was referring to (though when I told my 65 year old mother this story recently, she said "really? I had no idea what that song was about either. I never really thought about it, just thought it was pretty" ) but as 8 year olds, even singing along with it word for word, it went right over our heads and we would never have even thought about it if the teacher hadn't taken it off the player and told us it was "bad". THEN we thought about it a lot, in an effort to figure out what was "bad" about it, and truthfully I don't think we ever figured it out at the time.

I had the 45 of that song, too, when I was a child. I loved it! Had no clue what it was about, but loved it anyway.

 

[Lisa Hale]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!" Now having children of my own I realize that they don't get stuff like that.
I would also like to defend homeschool parents and students. We homeschool our children for various reasons. We also let them watch Disney movies and ride most rides at Disney. (The only ones they don't ride are ones they choose not too because they think they will be scared.) Our children are both sheltered from and exposed to things when we think it is appropriate for them at their individual development stage.
By the way, I graduated from a Christian high school and never "did drugs, drank or had teeenage sex" when I was "exposed to the real world"
I really did not want to get on a soap box but stereotyping goes both ways.

ITA!

Although, when I saw your screen name after reading this, it did strike me as an odd coincidence - do you live in KY?

 

[Liberty Belle]

I guess we should only agree with OPs that the majority agree with?

[THAT was sarcasm]

My husband and I are Christians who carefully consider what we expose our children to. We have been blessed by our caution to this point and expect that we will continue to be. We also do not lack for entertainment that we approve of and must have at least 75 movies that we find suitable.

Amazingly enough, my children have never seen the Nemo movie, yet based on a deck of Nemo cards they received for their birthdays and those enormous coloring sheets that Crayola packages they feel they "know" these characters and chose to spend their vacation dollars on a Nemo set to play with. They got the idea of the story from the Nemo Musical without having to see the film.

I stand by my opinion that Disney is not rated "G" but rather "PG" and that parents are the best judges of what their children should see.

May I ask why you object to Finding Nemo? Wait...is it because Ellen Degeneres is in it?

 

[disneyfantotheend]

I was one of the pp's who said about homeschooling kids. It in no way was meant to put down those who homeschool. I have great admiration for those who have the patience to do that. I just meant that, those who are so worried about what their child comes in contact with, really should not have their child in public school. I sit outside of our school waiting for my children to come out every day. Not once have I NOT heard a wide variety of offensive things coming out of the kids' mouthes. This is BTW a elementary/middle school. Hate to think what it will be like by the time they hit high school. It may not be right, but it is a fact.

 

[nowellsl]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!"

Thats funny, my daughter (22 now) loved that movie when she was little! A few years ago we were watching it and out of the blue she says "Oh I get it, Rizzo is pregnant". She never caught on to that - she just liked all the songs and dancing!

 

[Magpie]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!" Now having children of my own I realize that they don't get stuff like that.
I would also like to defend homeschool parents and students. We homeschool our children for various reasons. We also let them watch Disney movies and ride most rides at Disney. (The only ones they don't ride are ones they choose not too because they think they will be scared.) Our children are both sheltered from and exposed to things when we think it is appropriate for them at their individual development stage.
By the way, I graduated from a Christian high school and never "did drugs, drank or had teeenage sex" when I was "exposed to the real world"
I really did not want to get on a soap box but stereotyping goes both ways.

I want to second this. I've home schooled and my kids are hardly sheltered in the usual sense. We talk about everything with our kids. And we try to foster a real interest and appreciation for all the world's variety, rather than fear and condemnation. Plus, I'm a big pop culture junkie. The Fellowship of the Ring? That won't give my four year old nightmares! No way!

That said - I was interested to discover that when my 9yo son finally started public school, that he really HAS been sheltered. Nothing to do with movies or video games or TV. No, what he's been sheltered from is peer pressure. He's climbed on his high horse quite a few times this fall over kids being mean to other kids. He speaks up, and sticks to his guns and refuses to back down on ethical issues..

Interestingly enough, his teacher says he's getting along very well socially. He's got friends. The other kids don't tease him at all (even when he walks around with Winnie the Pooh on his knapsack!), maybe because it's obvious he just doesn't care. Or maybe it's his attitude that he's got every right to do his own thing, and if someone has a problem with it - that's their problem, not his. I think it's pretty awesome.

 

[haleofafamily]

ITA!

Although, when I saw your screen name after reading this, it did strike me as an odd coincidence - do you live in KY?

Not KY, we are in KS.

 

[NewJersey]

Ruh Roh...why is it when anything sort of debate ensues, things get sent over here.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Ruh Roh...why is it when anything sort of debate ensues, things get sent over here.

Because we are the master lockers.

 

[solferino]

Because we are the master lockers.

Or master debaters.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

When I first read this thread it made me think of my experience with the movie "Grease". I watched it as a child and loved it. When I watched it as an adult, the first thought that popped into my mind was "I can't believe my mom let me watch this!!!" Now having children of my own I realize that they don't get stuff like that.

I thought of Grease as well. As much as I loved that movie in high school, even at that age, I never caught one particular phrase in the song "Greased Lightning" until I just watched it again recently.