What are the odds of a DVC 2 at GF?

[emg]

I feel like a read rumors (just that, rumors...nothing substantiated) about a DVC 2 at GF, possibly taking a few of the existing buildings and converting them. I'd personally love to see them convert Sago Cay, Sugar Loaf, and Conch key like they did at the Poly with Pago Pago, Morea, and Tokelau and do adjoining studios. The rooms are large at GF and could be great for those of us looking mostly for studios over paying the premium in points for 1-bedrooms. We bought at the Poly for this reason- we can get adjoining studios for almost the same point cost as a 1-bedroom at GF, but 4 showers! Thoughts?

 

[sethschroeder]

Not for a long time if ever, why not just buy VGF?

They just cancelled a resort they already broke ground on so doubt we see anything new for a good 5-7 years at which point possibly they go back and do something with Reflections.

 

[miTnosnhoJ]

This rumor does not ring true to me. Until you hear it from a Disney Bus Driver, it is probably false.

 

[CLE2WDW]

Slim to none. At least for the foreseeable future.
The DL DVC tower will probably be the last DVC property for quite a long while.

 

[CastAStone]

Someday? Probably. Soon? No.

 

[Marionnette]

I feel like a read rumors (just that, rumors...nothing substantiated) about a DVC 2 at GF, possibly taking a few of the existing buildings and converting them. I'd personally love to see them convert Sago Cay, Sugar Loaf, and Conch key like they did at the Poly with Pago Pago, Morea, and Tokelau and do adjoining studios. The rooms are large at GF and could be great for those of us looking mostly for studios over paying the premium in points for 1-bedrooms. We bought at the Poly for this reason- we can get adjoining studios for almost the same point cost as a 1-bedroom at GF, but 4 showers! Thoughts?

To take Sago Cay (which is where conventioneers typically stay) or Sugar Loaf (which is a club level building) to turn into a DVC doesn’t make sense. I don't see that happening, IF a VGF2 were to ever be built. I'd file this one right next to the BLT2 rumor where they demolish to CR Garden Wing. Neither is happening until Reflections has been built.

 

[jarestel]

Actually, one of the least expensive ways to keep milking the DVC cash cow is with hotel conversions. It fills hotel rooms and eliminates maintenance costs for those rooms. It’s not inconceivable that a few hotel conversions might be the interim plan for DVC at WDW.

OTOH the cutback or elimination of direct perks would probably indicate Disney has lost interest in DVC expansions. No need for sales incentives (perks) if they are not planning on selling anything.

 

[ChipNdale8887]

I could see a BLT Tower 2 before VGF 2.

 

[ChipNdale8887]

Actually, one of the least expensive ways to keep milking the DVC cash cow is with hotel conversions. It fills hotel rooms and eliminates maintenance costs for those rooms. It’s not inconceivable that a few hotel conversions might be the interim plan for DVC at WDW.

OTOH the cutback or elimination of direct perks would probably indicate Disney has lost interest in DVC expansions. No need for sales incentives (perks) if they are not planning on selling anything.

I'm honestly surprised they've never thought of doing a Yacht Club DVC. For how popular SAB and the Beach Club is and with only Riviera being the only Epcot DVC with a long expiration date I bet it would sell very well.

 

[Lorana]

I'm honestly surprised they've never thought of doing a Yacht Club DVC. For how popular SAB and the Beach Club is and with only Riviera being the only Epcot DVC with a long expiration date I bet it would sell very well.

I prefer the BC side to the YC side, but if they opened a YC DVC, sign me up!

 

[Marionnette]

I'm honestly surprised they've never thought of doing a Yacht Club DVC. For how popular SAB and the Beach Club is and with only Riviera being the only Epcot DVC with a long expiration date I bet it would sell very well.

My guess is that, like CCV/BRV, a YCV would have to have the same points chart as BCV. DVC doesn’t want to have a resort with a low points chart in the Epcot area after 2042. Plus, there’s nowhere to build point-sucking Yacht Club Villas Cottages that DVC can use to oversell points.

 

[sethschroeder]

My guess is that, like CCV/BRV, a YCV would have to have the same points chart as BCV. DVC doesn’t want to have a resort with a low points chart in the Epcot area after 2042. Plus, there’s nowhere to build point-sucking Yacht Club Villas Cottages that DVC can use to oversell points.

Not sure why it has to have the same point charts. Was there some legal requirement on CCV?

Honestly though I think if they convert anything its the CBR buildings near the RIV skyliner station and have check-in over at the RIV. Re theme the exterior and sidewalks to look like a european village.

 

[Sandisw]

Not sure why it has to have the same point charts. Was there some legal requirement on CCV?

Honestly though I think if they convert anything its the CBR buildings near the RIV skyliner station and have check-in over at the RIV. Re theme the exterior and sidewalks to look like a european village.

It wouldn’t have to be but it is hard to support a different point charts for a property that is like a shared resort.

It appears that is why CCV was kept lower...same resort area as BRV

 

[cmrdgrs]

Slim to none. At least for the foreseeable future.
The DL DVC tower will probably be the last DVC property for quite a long while.

Folks are fired up about the DLH DVC tower. I think this project will finish. I agree with PP since Reflections has been pulled for now, I'm thinking that DVD will focus on selling out Riviera and DLH DVC tower.

 

[sethschroeder]

It wouldn’t have to be but it is hard to support a different point charts for a property that is like a shared resort.

It appears that is why CCV was kept lower...same resort area as BRV

CCV is smaller than BRV though in room dimensions and doesn't have location benefit really either. I would suspect any Yacht Club switch would be the far end of the resort meaning it would have lake/fireworks views of epcot. They could keep "standard" views the roughly the same price as BCV similar to how standard views at RIV are similar in pricing to BCV.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

This rumor does not ring true to me. Until you hear it from a Disney Bus Driver, it is probably false.

You heard it here first!

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I'm honestly surprised they've never thought of doing a Yacht Club DVC.

They won't convert any of YC to DVC because YC (and BWI, and the core building at BC) are too critical to convention business. For a typical convention at the main center down there, they need to be able to block 750-1000 rooms within walking distance of the center. YC is 630 total units. For a smaller meeting, like some of the CME stuff Disney hosts, they still need a good room block. (And for Gartner IT, the room blocks are utter insanity, and that is why they are at nearly every Disney resort hotel with special convention busing.)

Convention traffic is more subject to recession, but is sweet profit margin due to the things conventions book that DVC simply doesn't - the expensive and exclusive conventioneer breakkie with Elsa and Sven, the cocktail hour with ho$t bar, AV hookups and setups, catering and more catering. DVC is about consistency of margin. Conventions are about large margins.

This is also one reason I wouldn't see them converting GF. GF has a convention center, and hosts smaller meetings. They still need room blocks there for these meetings. They do smaller scale room blocks for Fairytale Weddings. In general, unlike what happened at Wilderness Lodge, GF books most of their rooms every night, even with limited discounts. WL got converted because they didn't. (And for that matter, YC is really hard to book - they don't need to convert to fill it.)

 

[emg]

Not for a long time if ever, why not just buy VGF?

They just cancelled a resort they already broke ground on so doubt we see anything new for a good 5-7 years at which point possibly they go back and do something with Reflections.

Good point. We actually just sold our GF contracts to buy at Poly. We prefer studios and felt that the gf studios were just too tight on space when compared to poly.