What are the Number of Units per Resort?

[PamOKW]

I know we've discussed number of units in the past but I can't lay my hands on the numbers. I'm curious about the relative size of the resorts (using the # of units as laid out by DVC). Here's what I've found so far....please correct anything that isn't right and fill in the blanks

For BCV it's 208 -- with 20 disabled units
BWV is 383 units with 29 disabled
VWL has 136 units -- unsure about disabled

I haven't got the current numbers for OKW, Vero or HH...although it looks like 102 units(?) from Doc's recent HHI post. (I'm not sure how they figure in the lock-offs....I counted them as 1 unit for each 1 bed/studio combo).

 

[Terry S]

Pam, I have written down that Sam mentioned in the interview 29 handicapped rooms at BCV. That would account for the 10% number based on the fact that there are actually 282 rooms if you split the lockoffs. Maybe I am way off, I don't feel like listening to the interview again, but that is what I wrote down.

 

[yesdisneyfool]

A while back I found something from DOC on OKW

782 units

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I found this in the 2001-2002 Member Guidebook:

(page 88) OKW-
"531 Vacation Homes in total; includes Studios, one- and two-bedroom Vacation Homes, and three-bedroom Grand Villas."

(page118) Vero-
"175 Vacation Homes in total; includes Inn-rooms, Studios, one- and two-bedroom Vacation Homes, and three-bedroom Beach Cottages."

 

[DebbieB]

It gets confusing on whether to count the lockoffs as 1 or 2. If you count the lockoffs as 2 at OKW (studio & 1 bedroom instead of 2 bedroom), 782 is probably right. If you count them as 1 (a 2 bedroom), 531 sounds right.

 

[RobDoc]

102 is what they publish for HH but, in practice, they don't reserve the lock offs as 2BR units. So for availability, HH has 123 units they can offer.

That is also the explanation for the difference at OKW. However, unlike HH, the lock offs are frequently reserved as 2BR units.

I have tried on two occasions to reserve a 1BR and Studio as a lock-off 2BR at HH and have been denied by MS stating they won't allow that. It does make sense to me, since there are so few (21 of each) 1BR's and Studios at the resort.

 

[PamOKW]

For comparison, I was trying to get the numbers DVC uses -- not the actual individual units but the method they use.

I'll look through the Member Guidebook more carefully. Maistre Gracey found the numbers so they must all be in there.

I'm just trying to get an idea of relative sizes of the resorts.

 

[PamOKW]

Thanks for the help everyone -- the numbers were in the Guidebook (except for the handicapped units, and at this point I wasn't that concerned about how many there were.)

The DVC numbers are:

OKW - 531
BWV - 383
BCV - 208
VWL - 126
Vero - 175
HHI -- 102

The actual number of units when broken into studios and one-bedrooms could be higher, as in the 282 keys for BCV (as Terry mentioned). I'm also unsure of how many Inn rooms there are at Vero, but I believe there are somewhere around 80. Add in the 6 beach cottages and you've only got about 89 "other" options.

OKW is significantly larger than any other WDW DVC and BWV is quite a bit larger than BCV or VWL. It makes sense that just about anything will have more OKW owners involved. There are just more of them.

 

[DeeP]

It is late, I am tired so I may be missing something but....I do not understand how the number of units a DVC resort has is a definite indication of how many members that resort has. If a resort has 250 units does that mean there are 250 members? That obviously is not right since there are something like (I think I read) 6,000 + members and no where near that many total DVC units. Also how do you calculate members that have mutliple contracts in the same DVC resort? If one member owns 4 contracts at one DVC resort that is still just 1 member/family with multiple contracts.

 

[manning]

When we were signing our papers in March, we were told that Beach Club would have about 3 million points.

 

[PamOKW]

That obviously is not right since there are something like (I think I read) 6,000 + members and no where near that many total DVC units. [/B]

It was late.....there were over 60,000 members before VWL sales began. I'm not sure what the current number is.

Of course you are correct that we can't determine exactly how many members there are at each resort. However, based on the much greater number of points available for sale at OKW, it is a rational conclusion that there are more members at OKW. The same can be said for BWV versus either BCV or VWL based on the far greater starting point. It woud be harder to say between VWL, Vero and HHI which would have the greater number of members since their sizes are not dramatically different from each other. It would probably be safe to say that BCV would have more members than these three once it is sold-out.

Another rough indicator is that 25,000 members was once given as the number of OKW owners prior to, but nearing, sell-out of OKW. 25,000 is roughly 40% of 60,000 with the additional 35,000 members divided between all the other DVC resorts.

 

[DeeP]

It was late, I forget a 0 ! Sorry. I would also be very interested in knowing the number of members per resort. I guess DVC is the only one that has the true answer. I still wonder if members are counted by individual familes or by # of contracts so a member with 4 contracts would they count as 4 or as 1? 1 would be the accurate # to get a total # of members per resort. The difference in units between OKW and BWV is 148 while the difference in units between BWV and some of the other DVC resorts is greater than 148, so taking in all the members at all the DVC resorts, 40% OKW members seems a little high given all the DVC resorts, maybe that was a figure you heard when it was only OKW and BWV? I am surprised that the difference between the total # of units at OKW is only 148 greater than BWV. OKW seems so huge and spread out compared to BWV. I guess BWV doesn't have those long hallways for nothing! LOL

 

[PamOKW]

Originally posted by DeeP
40% OKW members seems a little high given all the DVC resorts, maybe that was a figure you heard when it was only OKW and BWV?

I'm just basing it on the numbers DVC throws around. I would have to go back and check the VMs to be 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure it was only OKW when they talked about DVC's 25,000 members. They now throw 60,000 out as the total number of members. 25,000 is 42% of 60,000.

I have no idea what they call a member and whether multiple contracts gets counted as one member, one member per home resort, etc., etc.

 

[PamOKW]

I just looked at how the percentages breakout if you take the Vacation Homes per resort as a percentage of the total Vacation Homes. I've done it pre- and post-BCV

Pre-BCV -- 1327 Total DVC Vacation Homes
OKW -- 40%
BWV -- 29%
VWL -- 10%
HHI -- 8%
Vero -- 13%

When you add in the 208 BCV Vacation Homes the percentages breakout

OKW -- 34%
BWV -- 25%
VWL -- 9%
HHI -- 7%
BCV -- 14%
Vero -- 11%

We still don't know how Vacation Homes corresponds to what DVC calls a member but this could give a rough idea.

 

[RobDoc]

My understanding, from conversations with a DVC CM, is that anyone who owns a contract is considered a member. ( "A" member would be any individuals named on the contract.)

In the case of multiple contracts at one resort or at multiple resorts, DVC still considers it one member.

I'm sure there are some situations where there are contracts where a husband is listed on one contract, wife is listed on another and they count them as 2 members- while my DW and I are both listed on our multiple contracts and are considered one member.

Obviously, they can break down owners at each resort the same way. Each unique ownership name is considered an owner- whether 25 points or 1000 points.

A member can also be included in the total members for several resorts if they own points at several- regardless of the number of points. So, one member could be considered an owner at 6 DVC resorts- even with as few as 25 points at 5 of of them.

The 60,000+ total members tries to include multiple memberships as one member- so there are far more actual contracts.

DVC has tried to consolidate membership numbers so that multiple contract owners still get 1 mailing for most correspondence. They don't always meet that goal (I got 4 different mailings with the BCV point charts), but that is the stated goal for DVC to cut mailing costs.

When OKW was the only resort, it was fairly easy to release membership numbers pretty accurately. It has become more complex, now that many members own multiple contracts at more than one resort.

I haven't seen any member totals by resort in some time. They mostly just discuss total membership in most cases now.

 

[DeeP]

Thank you for the information Doc, this makes it a little more clear. I did not realize if someone did an add on for as little as 25 points they would also be listed as a member at that DVC resort where the 25 pts add on occured plus be considered a DVC member at their orginal home resort. I assumed the membership home would still be their home resort with an add on of pts at which ever DVC resort the 25 pts was purchased at. I thought it would require a total contract of 150 pts now, (or the 220 pts it required to buy a membership when DVC first started), to be considered a home membership at a particular DVC resort.

You are right when it was just one DVC resort counting heads of total # of members was much easier, now with 6 DVC resorts, members listed at a resort with the minimum of 25 pt add on, and families having multiple contracts with one in the husband's name, one with in the wife's name, one with the daughter's name, yet all in the same family and living in the same house etc., (which families do) it is almost like trying to accomplish the impossible to get a true number of members per DVC resort.
Thanks again for your help!!