Westerfield

[Sunny]

First of all, it annoys me more than anything that someone opens up a controversial topic, and then after people give their honest opinion, they decide they don't like the opinions and have it closed. My goodness, don't read the thread if it makes you nervous. No one was saying anything wrong in that thread and it was very interesting. I am sooooooooooooo tired of that.

There was a comment in there that worried me though and I can't let it go because it concerned children. Someone said that God came in their life first and that their children were second. Now, I will worry about those children for a long time. Please make them first in your life. Please.

 

[Teejay32]

Something really bothered me also about that thread - people being accused of celebrating a death. The only "death" so far was a 7-year-old girl, and the one that was being 'mourned' is healthy as a horse right now and could outlive me, for all I know.

I think the sadness over his impending death was a little over the top.

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

<font color=navy>Sunny,

I believe that person was a Christian, and in the Christian faith, if God comes first, then your children have nothing to worry about.

I'm a Christian, and I feel the same way - God comes first. But, if you saw how I am with my children, you wouldn't worry about them. I have plenty - plenty of love for them.

 

[Robinrs]

With God first your children will always be alright.

God came first in my life only after I had my child. Having God as our father, note I said OUR, makes our focus His. My son is my life because God gave him to me and spend our lives to thank Him for that.

There was no way we would've survived what happened to us recently without Him. My child is a testiment of what happens when you put God first.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Hi Sunny.

it annoys me more than anything that someone opens up a controversial topic, and then after people give their honest opinion, they decide they don't like the opinions and have it closed. My goodness, don't read the thread if it makes you nervous. No one was saying anything wrong in that thread and it was very interesting

As I was a poster who did open a thread about this convict, and some time later ask for it to be closed, I presume I am the 'someone' you reference above.

First off, I am sorry, if I am the one, that I annoyed you, or anyone for that matter. I have always tried my darnest to not be annoying here (I am sure I don't always succeed, but I try), and do try to not cause controversy. When I posted the news item Monday afternoon, I stated 'Good news'. To me, it was, and still is, good news. My personal opinion. Others can, and apparently did, state their personal opinions. I did not read the thread on an ongoing basis, as some do I think, and it certainly did not make me nervous. I have yet to become nervous over a thread on the DIS. Upset over some, yes, but never nervous. And that thread did not make me necessarily upset, as I said, I was not following it on a real-time basis.

Over some time, a bit over a day, it was apparent that yet another thread on the DIS was becoming an arrogant, personal platform for someone's personal ideology (and I personally give two hoots about what someone wants to believe, I have mine, and everybody is entitled to their's also, but don't stuff it down my throat). One 'person' had over 20 posts on that one thread. Again, I did not follow it as if it were a debate, but is seemed to evolve into that, as well as a personal platform of arrogance.

Knowing that it was not going to be moved to the Debate Board, where I personally would have thought it should have gone after about the 5th page (having reread it today), and after having been told by several posters how it later desolved further with lasciviously degrading and abusive remarks, yes, I asked for it to be closed. I refuse to allow myself to be party to another's arrogant, demeaning and degrading comments to other DIS'ers. If I make them myself, please let me know. I have been off base several times here in the past, and I did my utmost to successfully correct the wrongs I did.

So, I made a post of a news event, I was pleased with the news event, and I stated so, once. The thread, as so many have, deteriorated to one of arrogance, and I asked for it to be closed. And if that annoyed you, Sunny, I am sorry for that.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Mary Jo
I believe that person was a Christian, and in the Christian faith, if God comes first, then your children have nothing to worry about.

I'm a Christian, and I feel the same way - God comes first. But, if you saw how I am with my children, you wouldn't worry about them. I have plenty - plenty of love for them.




Thank you Mary Jo
I am the person who wrote that reply and yes I am a true christian Not perfect i do make mistakes as many do but yes I am a christian. I am happy that you understood what I was talking about because thru Christ OUr Lord I know that all things are possible and I also know that he will protect us. I see so many people who get the wrong understanding when I say that and to me it is sad because they do not know that If it were not for the Lord they would not have what they have right now. I give thanks for everything because I know that if it were not for him my son who was very asthmatic would not be here today. I say was because he has been asthmatic free for years. I give God the glory. Sunny when you get to know God and trust God as I do then you will understand why I said I put God FIRst.
Oh yes and Sunny another thing I would go to the ends of the earth for my babies No matter how much I lovee my children God is still first

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Princess Ariel34,

Actually, when I first saw your post on Dan's thread, my heart felt warm and I smiled - because I understand.

Robin.... Amen!!!


Peace, everyone.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Thanks You and God Bless

 

[Bob O]

Dan, i for one wish the post wasnt closed. I respect your right to ask that it be closed but i would perfer that a post die of a natural death as most will rather than have it be closed. Im sure we differ on that issue but i perfer a post to go on its own and die once people stop responding which happens sooner or later, even if it goes in a dirrection different than what the original poster expected.

 

[RNMOM]

I was reading the post in the early hours this morning and found lots of things that I was uncomfortable with. There are so many issues on both sides but the bottom line is a child is dead and the legal system metted out the punishment. If you don't agree with our laws use your vote elect people who feel as you do.

I elected to stay out of this one and tend to agree that it was best closed. Dan, expressing you opinion is what you are entitled to...just as all of us are.

 

[CRB#33]

Princess, MaryJo and Robin--hugs to you. Your lights are shining so bright!

Dan--I respect you enormously. The fact that you wanted a post closed that turned into what it did, shows your high character. When a post goes astray, it becomes something it was never intended to be. IRL, we can walk away from it and put an end to it. I'm so glad we can end our own posts instead of hurting and watching the fester into something they're not. I'm sorry for my part in that.

Thank you.

 

[Indyman]

Originally posted by CRB#33

IRL, we can walk away from it and put an end to it. I'm so glad we can end our own posts instead of hurting and watching the fester into something they're not. I'm sorry for my part in that.

Thank you.

IRL walking away from it only ends it for the person doing the walking. The conversation can continue without the original parties. Here on the CB you can "walk away" and not continue to participate, but leaving it open for others, and letting the thread die on its own.

 

[CRB#33]

Well, that's not exactly true. You can't walk away entirely. You have people pm'ing you about it and you have other threads started referring to it.

It really doesn't work out that way.

 

[Indyman]

All of which can be ignored.

 

[EROS]

Hey, it's a tried and true technique in life to pick up one's marbles and depart ..................

 

[Disney Doll]

What I think is a shame is that it always seems to be the same people that cause these threads to deteriorate. It's a shame that a variety of opinions cannot be entertained on a thread without all the drama, cyber-yelling(you know, that ridiculous big letter thing that goes on), and nastiness, all the while hiding behind their "rights", as if being obnoxious is an unalienable right in this country.

Sigh...some things never change. Thankfully, the majority of DISers are nice folks, with whom I enjoy "conversing" in this cyber sort of way.

 

[EROS]

Look, Westerfield is no "poster boy" for the anti capital punishment crowd. His crime was truly MORE than heinous . However, the principle still pertains about the sanctity of EVERY human life, even that of a despicable child killer.

I'm proud that so many DISers are coming out from the shadows to express themselves on this difficult issue. The RIGHTEOUS used to propagate the "correct" opinions around here..................but NO MORE!!! .........

 

[fireplug]

How do I respond to this thread with out offending someone.

I would hope that we all could get along better than we do at times

There are very few topics that I won't get involved in. I am not shy about my opinion as some of you have found out.( and I am sorry if I hurt someones feelings that is never my intent).

I don't know how many of you have ever had to REALLY deal with the dying and the dead. It is not pleasant and is not easy to forget things that are seen. As this is a family site I will spare you the details. But it does not always happen as neatly as it does on the movie and TV screen!
When someone causes another human being to die at their hand it is called Murder and in some states under some circumstances the murderers are convicted to die themselves.
This is bound to cause powerful reactions on both sides of the argument. There are other topics which also cause some fervor but few as volatile.

So who is right and who is wrong? Does it really matter who is right?

All that really matters is that our friends and neighbors continue to be killed and no punishment seems to be able to stop that.
The anger we throw at each other will change neither sides position. All it will do is further the pain that is caused by a violent act.

and do we really need the extra pain?


Something to think about.


Steve

 

[WillyJ]

A couple of things I'd like to say here. . .

First of all, when I received Dan's request to close the thread, I was in the process of asking the Webmasters if I could close it or move it to the DB. It was not due to any specific post or posts; it was just my feeling that the subject had been exhausted, and the tone was becoming too personal and harsh.

Secondly, while I am personally in agreement with original posters having the right to ask that a thread they initiated be closed, my opinion doesn't matter one way or the other. It is a policy set by the owner of this site, and as a moderator I go along with it.

I certainly have no problem with anyone questioning the policy, but I would guess a polite note sent to Pete explaining your feelings about it would have a much better chance of bringing about a change then continually expressing dissatisfaction with it in public.

Again, I'm not questioning anyone's right to disagree with policies; I'm just suggesting a more effective method.

Thanks!

 

[Sunny]

Geez Dan - don't apologize for annoying me. I'll live. It's good for me- builds character and strength. You have to be one of the nicest people here. I guess what (eek) annoyed me most was that I felt you felt you had upset people so you wanted the post closed and forgotten. That's what bothered me. There is no way a website of people aren't going to be annoyed, angered, rude, etc. at some time. Who cares? Annoyed/Anger does not equal dislike or hate forever, life goes on......

I'm still uncomfortable with the "god is first in my life" comments, but I won't dwell on that either.

Willy - I would never email Pete about something so petty like this. These type of opinions/comments should be posted here. Of course, I might email Pete and ask him to ban any posts about cats. Now those posts are really building my character and giving me strength......