Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by crazy4wdw, Apr 13, 2007.
Waldorf's new era starts at Disney
Owners plan to make the legendary hotel a worldwide brand.
"Hilton Hotels, owner of the Waldorf since 1949, plans to turn the hotel into a brand that can be spread around the planet, starting with a project now rising amid the slash pines just outside Walt Disney World."
Reason number 42 that the Four Seasons will be "inside" of Walt Disney World.
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I believe the Waldorf-Astoria is being built on property adjacent to the Caribbean Beach and Pop Century. It will be on WDW's doorstep.
But NOT part of Disney. Disney realized that with the addition to the Waldorf and Ritz in Orlando, they needed to jump on this "four star bandwagon". Hence the deal with the Four Seasons.
The Waldorf will, of course, appear to some guests to be inside WDW when it really is not (Disney has never owned that parcel of land; Arguably it might have been preferable it they had managed to acquire it), given the awkwardly located entrance to Bonnet Creek is inside WDW.
We don't yet know all the details of the Four Seasons deal, or how it will or will not be integrated with WDW, but if the property has actually been sold, it may not be any more a part of WDW than Crossroads is.
I thought Bonnet Creek had started a while ago? Is this a rebranding, or are they building in the same area?
Looking at Google Earth, is it that oval-shaped area across the road from CBR and northeast of POP? Looks like two buildings complete, one in progress, but the images are probably from some time ago.
On this board, people have mistakenly called the timeshare resort "the Bonnet Creek Resort," but that's the name of the overall development, not the name of the timeshare resort.
The Bonnet Creek Resort is a master-planned resort with a large timeshare parcel, several hotel parcels, a golf course, and a conservation area.
The development is bounded on the north, south, and west by Disney property, and on the east by I-4.
The access road (Chelonia Parkway) is from Buena Vista Drive, between the CBR and Epcot Center Drive. At first, that seems strange, but it's actually the most logical -- in fact, the only logical -- access to the property.
The first project at the Bonnet Creek Resort is the Wyndham Bonnet Creek timeshare resort, which was originally branded as the Fairfield Orlando at Bonnet Creek.
Since then, three hotels have been announced: a regular Hilton, a Waldorf-Astoria (high-end Hilton), and a Wyndham hotel (which will co-exist with the Wyndham timeshare). There's still land left for more hotel development.
Part of the confusion comes from the entire area, including both on and off property portions being referred to as Bonnet Creek, or the Bonnet Creek area.
The Osprey and Eagle Pines courses were at one time called the "Bonnet Creek Golf Club". They are still listed as such in some places, but I'm not sure if Disney actually still calls it that. I haven't played there in about 4 years, and I can't find a mention of that phrase at Disney's website.
I'm guessing they are trying to distance themselves from the name because of all the non-Disney activity going on. But "Bonnet Creek" was even used in the Sentinel reports to describe the area being developed by Four Seasons.
That alone just not justify Disney "jumping on the bandwagon". There's lots of bandwagons outside WDW that Disney hasn't jumped on, and shouldn't.
Nor does it justify the manner in which they are jumping on this bandwagon, by selling/leasing to a third party.
But that's been debated ad nauseum on the Four Seasons thread.
1) This is gonna be tough.
2) I frequent both The Four Seasons and The Waldorf Astoria.
3) I may have to split my time when at WDW.
PERSONAL NOTE: It will so nice to have 5-star hotels and true concierge service at Disney.
Mr. Scupper, I'd be interested in your perspective as a consumer of these hotel products--what do these guys do that Disney doesn't? And in your mind, is there any reason why Disney couldn't?
My first thought was-- and maybe this is covered in t he four seasons thread which I haven't read-- do people who prefer the Waldorf actually go to Disney World? (All Eisner musings aside.)
Apparently Mr. Scupper is my answer. (Please assume no ill will whatsoever.)
Perhaps it's just my inability to think outside my own experience, but sweaty theme park days or water parks and luxury/5 stars just don't make sense in one trip. NOt that I'm trudging out to the all stars, either. I'm perfectly happy at OKW, thank you.
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