wait list but rooms avail

[tinarena2000]

I am on a wait list for Dec 31 to add one more night on to my week at OKW.
I went on the WDW rez and they have rooms available for that night. When I call they say there are no rooms available.
How can I get a room added on?
Any Ideas about this
Thanks,
Tina

 

[vicki_c]

DVC rooms and rooms available through Disney reservations are two separate pools of rooms. Availability at one has nothing to do with availability of the other.

 

[Dean]

I am on a wait list for Dec 31 to add one more night on to my week at OKW.
I went on the WDW rez and they have rooms available for that night. When I call they say there are no rooms available.
How can I get a room added on?
Any Ideas about this
Thanks,
Tina

DVC may have rooms for cash that you can get at a 25% discount. Depending on room type, you'd know up front if you'd have to change rooms or not.

 

[tinarena2000]

Thanks!! I am a bit disapointed, I have been trying to add on a day for a while now. Did not know it works that way.

 

[Dean]

Thanks!! I am a bit disapointed, I have been trying to add on a day for a while now. Did not know it works that way.

There are several pots of points (rooms). These include declared inventory and non declared inventory. Non declared inventory is never available to book on points. In addition, declared inventory that has been traded will not be available for points reservations and in many cases (exceptions RCI & BVTC) are likely to be available with cash. They will let these rooms sit empty before they will give them to you on points. In addition, any rooms not reserved at 60 days out also are taken by the system and available for cash and may not be available for points reservations. This is simply understanding how the system works, once one has that understanding, they should not be upset about the availability of rooms for cash but not points. One could shift this curve by eliminating exchange options. The truth is they'd be doing most members a favor if they did. And they just might do so for some members coming up if they do make the change to exclude resale buyers.

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

They will let these rooms sit empty before they will give them to you on points.

Can you explain why? This is counterintuitive.

HBC

 

[Deb & Bill]

Because they have already been reserved on points and turned over to DRC to sell to pay for the cruise, WDW lodging, etc that the member actually reserved. Letting them go for points a second time gets no income to pay for the trip the member booked for points.

 

[DebbieB]

There are several pots of points (rooms). These include declared inventory and non declared inventory. Non declared inventory is never available to book on points. In addition, declared inventory that has been traded will not be available for points reservations and in many cases (exceptions RCI & BVTC) are likely to be available with cash. They will let these rooms sit empty before they will give them to you on points. In addition, any rooms not reserved at 7 months out also are taken by the system and available for cash and may not be available for points reservations. This is simply understanding how the system works, once one has that understanding, they should not be upset about the availability of rooms for cash but not points. One could shift this curve by eliminating exchange options. The truth is they'd be doing most members a favor if they did. And they just might do so for some members coming up if they do make the change to exclude resale buyers.

Any rooms not reserved at 7 months? Isn't it 60 days?

There have been cases where a cash room was still available right before the date that they were able to get moved to a points room, maybe switching out another date. So if there are still rooms showing the the WDW website within a week, give member services a call.

 

[Dean]

Any rooms not reserved at 7 months? Isn't it 60 days?

There have been cases where a cash room was still available right before the date that they were able to get moved to a points room, maybe switching out another date. So if there are still rooms showing the the WDW website within a week, give member services a call.

Yes, sorry, freudian slip. I'll edit my post.

 

[crisi]

Can you explain why? This is counterintuitive.

HBC

Because DVC no longer owns those points and therefore members have no right to them. They've been sold to CRO in exchange for a cruise or a room at Disneyland Paris or sold to RCI so someone can spend a week in Maui.

 

[Dean]

Can you explain why? This is counterintuitive.

HBC

I agree with others explanations. While it may be a shame for such to happen, it really doesn't hurt anyone if it does and the reverse doesn't give anyone but the member, any additional benefits. BTW, RCI will do the same thing in many situations.

 

[CarolAnnC]

And sometimes CRO will "upgrade" their customers to a DVC resort complimentary from say a Moderate. They have ownership at that point..

 

[crisi]

And sometimes CRO will "upgrade" their customers to a DVC resort complimentary from say a Moderate. They have ownership at that point..

Which benefits Disney corporation as a whole since one of their best sales techniques is these upgrades.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Can you explain why? This is counterintuitive.

HBC

I would agree there is something a bit counterintuitive to it. If it's sitting empty then CRO hasn't had any luck in renting it. It might make sense to let it go rather last minute back to points. An owner then has used points that they would have used later and theoretically a different room should be available for CRO to try and rent later. If the first room sits empty then CRO has not made anything back for the trade out.

 

[crisi]

I would agree there is something a bit counterintuitive to it. If it's sitting empty then CRO hasn't had any luck in renting it. It might make sense to let it go rather last minute back to points. An owner then has used points that they would have used later and theoretically a different room should be available for CRO to try and rent later. If the first room sits empty then CRO has not made anything back for the trade out.

I suspect that their systems aren't complex enough to move inventory in and out like that - and because each division is a separate entity, it is very important that all cross entity inventory transfers be correctly accounted for - companies get in big trouble with the SEC for moving inventory between divisions improperly (its a well known way to cook your books, inventory scams take companies down). At one point someone reported Jim Lewis had said the ability to do that was "in the works" - but that was years ago and we have never heard anything more.

What sounds simple in theory is often complicated when we start talking about thousands of transactions to track and the regulatory requirements of tracking them.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Never did I say that it would be simple but if certain rules were set up then it might not be all that complicated either. Really most of it is already being done already and it would just be adding an option - a trade of a trade. At this point a CM can go get breakage inventory that has been turned over to CRO for cash rentals. This wouldn't be much different but would require a room to go back to CRO in exchange.

For example - set it up so that if the room is not rented 14 days prior (or whever number) then it could be used to fill a waitlist or to fill a last minute point reservation requested. Some of the remaining would depend on how the inventory that goes to CRO is determined but they get it somehow when a trade is done and this could be very similar.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...For example - set it up so that if the room is not rented 14 days prior (or whever number) then it could be used to fill a waitlist or to fill a last minute point reservation requested. Some of the remaining would depend on how the inventory that goes to CRO is determined but they get it somehow when a trade is done and this could be very similar.

At that point, another set of points would have to be turned over to DRC to sell to reimburse Disney for that non-DVC reservation. That's one of the reasons why you can't make a reservation outside of DVC during the last four months of your UY. Too difficult for DRC to sell that reservation and recover the cost to pay for the non-DVC reservation.

If DVC reduced the number of DCL cruises and non-DVC Disney hotels, that would mean more points available in DVC resorts. But the members trading out for those non-DVC reservations probably would use their points at DVC instead.

 

[silmarg]

And sometimes CRO will "upgrade" their customers to a DVC resort complimentary from say a Moderate. They have ownership at that point..

I was upgraded (for free) from POP to SSR. The timing was perfect as I was thinking about buying resale at SSR at the time and was nervous about SSR as it get beaten up on these DVC boards.

After that stay... I bought...

 

[crisi]

Never did I say that it would be simple but if certain rules were set up then it might not be all that complicated either. Really most of it is already being done already and it would just be adding an option - a trade of a trade. At this point a CM can go get breakage inventory that has been turned over to CRO for cash rentals. This wouldn't be much different but would require a room to go back to CRO in exchange.

For example - set it up so that if the room is not rented 14 days prior (or whever number) then it could be used to fill a waitlist or to fill a last minute point reservation requested. Some of the remaining would depend on how the inventory that goes to CRO is determined but they get it somehow when a trade is done and this could be very similar.

And that's the easy part. Now you need to handle the accrual. The fair market value of the transaction. You need to make sure that the accrual balances - if you reclaim too many rooms into this year, then DVC has an debt back to CRO. How long do you allow that debt between entities to be carried? How long does is that debt between entities permitted to exist. Who pays it? If I have 200 points that I used for the Disney collection this year, and I reclaim those back into DVC, but next year the Disney collection is 220 points, who is out the 20 points - CRO or DVC? Do you need to worry about time value of money? You should, if the debt is going to sit on the books for a while, otherwise divisions are loaning each other money at less than an arms length transaction.

If I were CRO, I'd let the rooms sit empty. DVD will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

 

[Sammie]

The rooms that go into the 60 day inventory can sometimes be reclaimed by DVC, but they have to contact the resort and see if they are willing to do that.

Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.