Use Year and Banking Question

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I thought (and was advised) that if I liked to travel in Oct. that an Oct. Use Year was good. But, if I bank any points, I have to use those prior to the following Oct., right? So, I guess a Nov. Use Year would have been better?

It's not the end of the world, just have to do more borrowing than banking I guess.
 
Yes, that's exactly our situation. My husband teaches. We have an Aug UY. So, anytime we bank points, we have to use them by July 31. This throws early Aug trips on banked points out, which is when we would prefer to travel. In the two years we've owned, we've bumped up against this issue twice.

If I had it to do over again, I would have purchased a Dec UY. Our primary travel times are Spring Break, June/July/Aug, and on occassion, Christmas. Dec would allow me to bank points through July 31, and to travel on banked points Dec - Nov during any given UY (instead of Aug - July). Since we will probably never schedule trips Sept/Oct/Nov unless something major changes, this would have almost been ideal.

If I didn't have two pretty decent sized SSR contracts (120 and 270 - both with Aug UY), I would sell and repurchase. We did purchase some VB points, and since I bought via resale, I chose a contract with a Dec UY. If you ever decide to purchase a different UY, search the boards, weigh the pros/cons, and make sure that's a good option for you.

Enjoy your DVC! Aside from the less-than-ideal UY, we LOVE our membership! :flower3:
 
I thought (and was advised) that if I liked to travel in Oct. that an Oct. Use Year was good. But, if I bank any points, I have to use those prior to the following Oct., right? So, I guess a Nov. Use Year would have been better?

It's not the end of the world, just have to do more borrowing than banking I guess.
I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but maybe this will help. With an Oct Use Year:

Your Oct 2008 points are valid for stays from 10/01/08 - 9/30/09
Your Oct 2009 points are valid for stays from 10/01/09 - 9/30/10
Your Oct 2010 points are valid for stays from 10/01/10 - 9/30/11
and so on through the end of your contract.

If you bank your Oct 2008 UY points into your 2009 Use Year, they will be valid for stays from 10/01/2009 - 9/30/2010.

If you like to travel in Oct, a Nov UY (which doesn't exist by the way) would be the worst possible UY for you. If there was a Nov UY, your 2008 points would be valid from 11/1/08 - 10/31/09. If you booked a stay for Oct 09 and then had to cancel it on short notice, you would be past your banking deadline and have only a few weeks to try to use the points for something else before they expired. But with an Oct UY, an Oct trip falls within the first month of your UY and if you had to cancel it, you would have most of the rest of your UY to use the points for something else. You would still be within your banking deadlines so that would be another option, provided you cancelled at least 31 days ahead of your check-in day to avoid having your points go into the holding account.

You can book a stay at your home resort 11 months prior to your check-in date, regardless of your UY. So no matter what UY you have, an October stay at your home resort can be booked in Nov of the previous year.
 
While it's true that banked points would have to be used by September 30 of the banked into year, I don't see why that should be a problem. If you are use at least as many points as you bank each year, there should never be an issue. Unless, of course, you only travel once a year and it's always in October and you don't use more than the total you have banked. We find that we often have 20-75 points to bank. We know we will be using those prior to the end of the next use year because we never have a stay that is less than those point amounts.

Remember that you can bank one year and in the next year use those points, your current points plus borrowed points from the next year. I'm thinking perhaps you didn't get the correct number of points for your usage.
 

I am also trying to get an understanding of which UY to buy but I am a little confused. How are you not able to use the points if you bank them into the following use year? It seems to me that if you like to travel in October or August respectively then you would want those use years because you get 2 chances to use those points, right? You could have taken a vacation in (let's just say for an October UY) October 2008 and if you bank them, you could go in October 2009. I guess the only issue is if you started off with excess points and you are now stuck banking in perpetuity. Perhaps that's it? We just passed ROFR for a first small contract (March UY) but for our future contracts I am thinking we will want December because we like to travel in January. I initially bought March because I thought you coudn't book your reservation until your use year points were in your account. Now that I know you can book within your 11-month window so long as the points are coming, December seems the best use year for us (since there doesn't seem to be a January UY). Is that right?
 
It seems to me that if you like to travel in October or August respectively then you would want those use years because you get 2 chances to use those points, right?

right. :thumbsup2

...for our future contracts I am thinking we will want December because we like to travel in January...Now that I know you can book within your 11-month window so long as the points are coming, December seems the best use year for us (since there doesn't seem to be a January UY). Is that right?

right again. :thumbsup2
 
...Unless, of course, you only travel once a year and it's always in October and you don't use more than the total you have banked. We find that we often have 20-75 points to bank. We know we will be using those prior to the end of the next use year because we never have a stay that is less than those point amounts.

Three things impact us:
* We purchased two contracts. Both had almost all points from the previous year. The number of points we purchased cover the vacations we normally take, so we don't dip into the next UY.
* We travel once per year - usually 2 weeks during the summer.
* We change resorts, and room sizes (mostly 1-BR, though), so the points aren't consistent (or always predictable - depending on availability).

So, yes, that's excatly what happened to us, Diane. We're always traveling on banked points. Unless we do something like a cruise, or Adventures by Disney, we'll continue to have banked points. The other issue, even assuming we were using current UY's points, is that our points never come out exactly even. Even if we end up with 20 points, we'll have to use those the following year by July 31, which forces us to travel in July.

I know most people don't think UY is a big deal, but because it has impacted our travel plans, I mention it for people to consider. We are also unique, because my husband is a teacher. Unless there's a radical change in his schedule (say year-round schooling), we'll be traveling during school breaks/holidays for the next 20 - 30 years. Just wished I had found these boards before I purchased!!! :goodvibes
 
Buckeye Fan,

We have school age children and travel in the same times of year as you describe. We also bought AUG UY and also travel on banked points. So I feel what you are describing. It works, but it takes more thought to ensure not losing points.
 
I think the real issue here is the times you must travel and the fact that you are only traveling once a year. I can see how that could be a problem, but it is probably one rather unique to your situation. Even when we were only going once a year, we did like to alter the time a bit and the size unit etc.

BTW, I don't think it's a bad thing to always be in a state of banking. We too are usually in banked mode, but usually only for 20-75 points. About every 3rd year that all gets made up, and I occationally borrow. Of course, I do go more than once a year, and change seasons as well. I keep thinking someday I'll again have enough banked to do another exchange to Hawaii, but it never seems to happen!;)
 
For UY most people focus on the situation where they have to cancel and want to be able to bank. For this you want a UY, which you do not usually travel in the three preceding months. For general usage I never saw a lot of difference if you are traveling once a year since if you had banked points they would have to be use on your next vacation no matter what month they are.

If you are buying directly from DVC if you buy a UY which is in the near future you get current points which quickly become banked and new current UY points before your first vacation (this is not true with BLT since they have no 2008 points).

bookwormde
 
You could have taken a vacation in (let's just say for an October UY) October 2008 and if you bank them, you could go in October 2009.

This is right? If you bank, don't you have to use those points prior to October of the following year?
 
This is right? If you bank, don't you have to use those points prior to October of the following year?

i have an october UY. i made plans last year to go in october 2008 using pts from my 2008 UY.

40 days prior to travel, i decided i couldn't make the trip and banked my 2008 pts into the 2009 UY. (or since i was planning to travel in the first month of my use year, i could wait till the end of may 2009 to choose to bank my 2008 UY pts.)

in november 2008, i call and make reservations for october 2009 using my banked pts from 2008 UY. if i prefer, i can also use my 2009 UY pts to take a longer vacation or else bank those pts into the 2010 UY.

(if those banked pts from 2008 UY aren't used by sept 30, 2010, they will expire.)
 
This is right? If you bank, don't you have to use those points prior to October of the following year?

maybe you're getting tripped up by a simple misunderstanding. you have to use those points prior to October of the following USE year (which is actually september 2010), not the following calendar year.
 
This is right? If you bank, don't you have to use those points prior to October of the following year?
Your Oct 2008 points are valid for stays from Oct 1, 2008 through Sep 30, 2009. If you bank those points, you move them into the next Use Year: Oct 1, 2009 through Sep 30, 2010.
 
OK. Lets get down to brass tacks here. (and BTW, thanks for all your help!)

I have a Oct UY.

I want to travel in Oct. 09. I want to book next month when my (home resort) booking window opens. I need to bank my '08 points into my 09 UY to use them to travel in Oct. 09, right? I will also be able to use (borrow) actual 09 UY points at that time if I need, right? I will not be able to use any points I banked from 07 UY, right?
 
I want to travel in Oct. 09. I want to book next month when my (home resort) booking window opens. I need to bank my '08 points into my 09 UY to use them to travel in Oct. 09, right?

yes.

I will also be able to use (borrow) actual 09 UY points at that time if I need, right?

sorta, but that terminology is not exactly right. you could "use" your actual 09 UY pts at that time - but an oct 2009 stay would be within in your 2009 UY, so there is no need to "borrow" those pts.

but you could also "borrow" your 2010 pts to book a longer stay in oct 2009. you can choose to borrow these when you call in nov 08.


I will not be able to use any points I banked from 07 UY, right?

correct.

07 UY pts can be used from oct 2007-sept 30, 2008. if banked, they can be used from oct 1 2008 - sept 30, 2009. they cannot be banked again, so they will expire before your oct 2009 trip, and need to be used before sept 30, 2009 - either by you or rented to someone else.
 
I want to travel in Oct. 09.... I will also be able to use (borrow) actual 09 UY points at that time if I need, right?
Your Oct '09 points are valid for stays from Oct 1, 2009 through Sep 30, 2010 so those points are already sitting in the same UY as your travel dates. Borrowing is done when you need to move points from one UY into a prior UY. The only borrowing that would apply in this case would be if your banked 2008 points plus your 2009 points were not enough to cover the trip you want to book. In that case you could borrow from your Oct 2010 points to move them into your 2009 UY to help pay for the trip.
 



















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