Truth in advertising - location names

[bcla]

As a Dodger fan, this peeves me to no end. The Angels are in Orange County, in the city of Anaheim, 25 miles from Los Angeles and Los Angeles already has a team!

I have a shirt that says "The Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles."

Well - I suppose the Angels can point to an historical tie, since they played at Dodger Stadium - ahem Chavez Ravine.

 

[Vicki926]

I live in NJ about 20 minutes from MetLife Stadium, where the NY Giants and NY Jets play.
Definitely in New Jersey.
But to be fair, it is very close to NYC.

 

[phamton]

I had traveled to Disneyland many times back in the olden days and knew that hotels that said Main Gate were near the maingate of Disneyland. Imagine my surprise on my first visit to WDW in 1998 to see that my hotel that was named Main Gate was no where near the main gate of any of the parks. I think almost every hotel in Kissimmee are named main gate. I was expecting walking distance to Magic Kingdom. LOL

 

[Gumbo4x4]

My mailing address says "Lesle". Not only am I more than 8 miles from Leslie, but you can't even GET to Leslie from my house without first driving through one of two other towns.

 

[pat fan]

I have a mailing address of the neighboring town. If I order something UPS or FedEx, one of them needs my physical address, one my mailing. I can't keep it straight on who gets what so I have my DH do it. Pain in the butt.

I want to know why we have the Boston Celtics, Bruins and Red Sox, but the New England Patriots? Who play in Foxboro, except that's not how you spell it.

 

[robinb]

It's good to live in a state capital, most people know it! Except ... when we travel outside of the US then folks don't even know where Wisconsin is. We tell them "North of Chicago" and they're happy.

 

[barkley]

Solano County claims to have its own wine country. Does that count? Frankly - Napa itself isn't really wine country either, but it's been trying to redefine itself as a food and wine destination.

what used to be referred to as 'the crest' in Vallejo (the highest death/crime area) flea bag motels marketing themselves as wine country lodging (be it for Solano or Napa county's industry) is a HUGE stretch.

I think they were the "California Angels" for most of their history. However, that's kind of generic. I don't know of many Angels fans up here.



I drove by once. Wasn't quite sure where it was in relation to the border. And yeah they have a Petaluma mailing address. However, I've learned that mailing addresses can often be a fiction, especially when there's no official name for an unincorporated area. Once I wanted to buy a house, but it was technically in Richmond, CA. The seller advertised it as El Cerrito, which doesn't quite have the same negative reputation as Richmond. Then the title company came back with that, and as an incorrect material fact we could ask for our deposit back. And even the title company researched it, the owner was upset and said she couldn't possibly be living in Richmond, although she did offer to reduce the price. Later we found that she lowered the price even more since it was a bad market.

I live near Tilden Regional Park. It's almost completely within Contra Costa County, and all of the major attractions and in my county. The merry go round tickets say Berkeley and apparently that's what they use as a mailing address. As far as I can tell, the USPS is very lenient on this as long as they can figure out where to get something delivered. The house I mentioned I didn't buy apparently got its mail just fine even though the owner kept on using the incorrect city and zip code.

in my experience-it's all about the zip code in coco county esp. when it comes to Richmond. the post office may deliver if the address is off-but the zip code in Richmond drives if a home is with the infamous "iron triangle"-that which has the highest crime/insurance rates (if you can get it), worst school districts-and county employees just 'doin time' until they can get off probation and move on.

True. Something over 40% of the grapes Napa uses are grown in Lodi. I just go to Lodi.

more and more of the production is moving that way as well-sutter home was doing their manufacturing in American Canyon (so still at least technicaly in Napa County) but the warehouse sustained enuf damage in the earthquake to justify moving everything to the stockton/lodi area.

 

[bcla]

in my experience-it's all about the zip code in coco county esp. when it comes to Richmond. the post office may deliver if the address is off-but the zip code in Richmond drives if a home is with the infamous "iron triangle"-that which has the highest crime/insurance rates (if you can get it), worst school districts-and county employees just 'doin time' until they can get off probation and move on.

Well - I didn't actually buy, so I have no problem saying where it was. It was a large townhouse development known as "Vista Heights Road" in Richmond. It's actually a pretty nice area on the other side of the hill overlooking Wildcat Canyon Regional Park. The only way in and out is through Rifle Range Road in El Cerrito, California. I looked it up, and apparently due to its location the City of Richmond has contracted with the city of El Cerrito for police and fire protection on this particular stretch of their city. The school district is the same, but the elementary schools up in the hills that serve this street are considerably better regarded than most of the schools in the tough parts of Richmond. I had a friend check it out for me, and he even found a letter carrier on his route. Apparently they come all the way from a Richmond post office, and they're used to getting mail that's addressed incorrectly to El Cerrito (which has just one 5-digit zip code) and just roll with it.

I'm not sure why, but Google Maps city border maps lose those borders when zoomed in too much. However, you can see where this development is and then zoom out to see where the borders are. It's really weird.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...2!3m1!1s0x808565e0f15c8c29:0xb3101633da15bff4

A lot of the real estate sites are mixed with regard to this street. Here's one that sold in 2014 (sales are public record in California) and is now for rent. The site noting the sale says it's in Richmond, but the rental listing says it's in El Cerrito. While I don't think the area is bad per se, I do think that "Richmond" is almost a touch of death when it comes to trying to get someone to pay top dollar.

http://www.sfrealtors.com/US/Home-Property/CA/Richmond/207-Vista-Heights-Rd/37555640.html
https://www.walkscore.com/score/207-vista-heights-rd-el-cerrito-ca-94530

 

[lilaurora]

It's good to live in a state capital, most people know it! Except ... when we travel outside of the US then folks don't even know where Wisconsin is. We tell them "North of Chicago" and they're happy.

That's exactly what I do, too! Except I don't live in the capital - out in the burbs. But even in WI many people aren't familiar with my town

 

[Rhombus]

So we were thinking of going to an outlet mall today and wanted to look up their hours. It was a place originally known as Paragon Outlets at Livermore, and then Livermore Premium Outlets once it was sold to Simon Malls. However, where I looked it up it's now renamed "San Francisco Premium Outlets". Google Maps says it's a 38 mile drive from the San Francisco Ferry Building.

http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/outlet.asp?id=107

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/San...3361da6a2cdb8!2m2!1d-121.8452204!2d37.6988245

Makes me think of all the other places where a place name is used but doesn't really apply. There's the San Francisco 49ers, whose headquarters and home field are in Santa Clara - maybe 40 miles away. San Francisco International Airport is several miles south of San Francisco. A lot of hotels in the area use "San Francisco" in their names, even when they're located across the Bay. Lagunitas Brewing isn't even in Lagunitas and the Marin French Cheese company isn't in Marin - they're both in Petaluma. Heck - the Sierra Nevada Brewing Company is in Chico - closer to the Cascades.

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Very typical. It's been this way for decades. If I'm looking for hotels close to SFO, I don't rely on the description "San Francisco Airport Hilton." I check on the actual street location and find it on a map in relation to the airport.

They will always be the Anaheim Angels to me. Grew up with them. I miss going to their games.

I grew up knowing them as the California Angels, and still refer to the team as such. Geez, it seems they've had more names than that of their stadium.

However, I've learned that mailing addresses can often be a fiction, especially when there's no official name for an unincorporated area. Once I wanted to buy a house, but it was technically in Richmond, CA. The seller advertised it as El Cerrito, which doesn't quite have the same negative reputation as Richmond. Then the title company came back with that, and as an incorrect material fact we could ask for our deposit back. And even the title company researched it, the owner was upset and said she couldn't possibly be living in Richmond, although she did offer to reduce the price. Later we found that she lowered the price even more since it was a bad market.

My mailing address says "Lesle". Not only am I more than 8 miles from Leslie, but you can't even GET to Leslie from my house without first driving through one of two other towns.

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I have a mailing address of the neighboring town. If I order something UPS or FedEx, one of them needs my physical address, one my mailing. I can't keep it straight on who gets what so I have my DH do it. Pain in the butt.

I want to know why we have the Boston Celtics, Bruins and Red Sox, but the New England Patriots? Who play in Foxboro, except that's not how you spell it.

Mailing addresses have always been independent of actual physical location. Often they match, but many times they don't. Zip code boundaries don't follow municipal borders. This is especially true in unincorporated areas that don't officially "exist."

bcla's real estate example: Having the "right" mailing address can significantly increase the value of the property. A New Jersey example is Princeton. The Princeton zip code extends into each of the surrounding towns. Having a Princeton mailing address in neighboring West Windsor Township can easily add 50k or more to the price of a house. It's often a selling point in real estate ads. "Princeton Address!!"

 

[bcla]

Mailing addresses have always been independent of actual physical location. Often they match, but many times they don't. Zip code boundaries don't follow municipal borders. This is especially true in unincorporated areas that don't officially "exist."

I actually know of at least one shared zip code around here that is shared between parts of two cities and one named unincorporated community. It's even shared across county lines. However, I do understand the issue of place names where there's no official name - not even what's known as a "census-desginated place". I guess just pick a city and stick with it.

bcla's real estate example: Having the "right" mailing address can significantly increase the value of the property. A New Jersey example is Princeton. The Princeton zip code extends into each of the surrounding towns. Having a Princeton mailing address in neighboring West Windsor Township can easily add 50k or more to the price of a house. It's often a selling point in real estate ads. "Princeton Address!!"

However, the name "Richmond" has gone down in reputation over the years. This townhouse complex I was referring to lies in a different zip code (94805). Various for sale or rental listings state "Richmond, CA 94805" (correct), El Cerrito, CA 94530 (that's the correct zip for El Cerrito), or Richmond, CA 94530 (incorrect but mail gets delivered).

The area in and of itself isn't bad. It's kind of a sleepy suburban community overlooking a nature park. It's kind of a quirk of municipal boundaries and development politics. It probably doesn't even have the issues with police/fire response since they contract with the neighboring city for those. However, the name itself is the touch of death for desirability, like maybe Camden.

 

[Geoff_M]

One of the worst example of this is phone listings that appear to be "local" business when they are actually numbers that are then forwarded to far far away. For example, let's say you live in "Springfield". If you looked under florists in the phone book, you'd see a listing for "Springfield Florist" with a local number. But if you called it, it will actually be a call center far away. They'll take your order, take your money, and then forward the order back to a real local florist... where your intended recipient may or may not get what your actually ordered. You'll often find that the fake "local" florist actually will charge you a lot more than a real local florist.

 

[Rhombus]

I actually know of at least one shared zip code around here that is shared between parts of two cities and one named unincorporated community. It's even shared across county lines. However, I do understand the issue of place names where there's no official name - not even what's known as a "census-desginated place". I guess just pick a city and stick with it.


However, the name "Richmond" has gone down in reputation over the years. This townhouse complex I was referring to lies in a different zip code (94805). Various for sale or rental listings state "Richmond, CA 94805" (correct), El Cerrito, CA 94530 (that's the correct zip for El Cerrito), or Richmond, CA 94530 (incorrect but mail gets delivered).

The area in and of itself isn't bad. It's kind of a sleepy suburban community overlooking a nature park. It's kind of a quirk of municipal boundaries and development politics. It probably doesn't even have the issues with police/fire response since they contract with the neighboring city for those. However, the name itself is the touch of death for desirability, like maybe Camden.

Yep, around here some zip codes encompass parts of two or more municipalities too. And the other parts of the those municipalities have different zip codes shared with yet other towns. Zip codes crossing county lines isn't uncommon, either.

Likewise, the real estate example also works in reverse. One may live in a nice neighborhood, but if it has the zip code of the less desirable neighboring town whose reputation is sinking, your house can lose value.

Yeah, the name "Camden" scares many people in NJ. Even in the few remaining decent areas, people and real estate ads are likely to say "Fairview" or another neighborhood name.

 

[bcla]

Likewise, the real estate example also works in reverse. One may live in a nice neighborhood, but if it has the zip code of the less desirable neighboring town whose reputation is sinking, your house can lose value.

Yeah, the name "Camden" scares many people in NJ. Even in the few remaining decent areas, people and real estate ads are likely to say "Fairview" or another neighborhood name.

I'm guessing a lot of people know the reputation of Oakland, California. They have some really nice neighborhoods. I'm guessing maybe half the single-family homes in Oakland are in pretty nice neighborhoods. However, the city has a reputation for violent crime based on parts of East Oakland and West Oakland. Some Oakland residents have taken to using their neighborhood name on mail, such as Rockridge, Claremont, or Montclair. These neighborhoods don't have a lot of violent crime, but the main issue is that the city as a whole has a budget-related police shortage and the police are dealing mainly with violent and gang crimes. So police response for a burglary report can be slow to nonexistent. It's gotten to the point where some homeowners in affluent neighborhoods have joined together to pay for armed private security patrols. There's also this enclave called Piedmont that has its own police department and little violent crime to deal with. Some Oakland residents have called them directly asking for police services, and they typically decline. Occasionally they'll respond when Oakland directly asks for mutual aid. A few years back Oakland received some support from the California Highway Patrol, but that was mostly traffic enforcement.

 

[powellrj]

I live in central kentucky about 90 minutes from cincinnati. I work in a hospital and all the time I ask people where they are from, they'll say cincinnati, then if I ask what part they'll say fort Thomas or fort wright or Florence, etc. all of which are not cincinnati, or even in ohio...they're in kentucky! At the very least say the correct state! It drives me crazy.

I am guilty of this. My brother lives in Hebron, my dad lives in Covington and since March my mom has lived in Hebron, Covington, Newport and Erlanger. We just always say my parents live around Cincinnati because everyone where we live knows where Cincinnati is. I guess I should also mention that mom has been in assisted living, rehabs and nursing homes which we always assumed would be her last place to stay only to have to move her after a few weeks.

We stayed at the Cincinnati Marriott Rivercenter that is actually in Covington during the All-Star week and my office was actually in Blue Ash but was always called the Cincinnati office worldwide. So even worldwide companies will say they are in Cincinnati even though they aren't.

 

[bcla]

Well - I don't know what to make of a business that names itself after the street or city, and then moves. There's a pretty well known auto body shop around here called "Crockett Auto Body" that was located in a place called Crockett. Then for whatever reason they moved to another city but kept the name. I know of one business that was named after their street, but moved two miles away and kept the name.

 

[chartle]

Harbor Freight sells a line of "Pittsburgh" branded tools. I've been driving around Pittsburgh for 50 years and have never seen a factory.

It has to be around here somewhere since I believe the Pittsburgh in South West PA is the only one with an "H" at the end (its not really a German 'burgh, it should rhyme with Edinburgh as in Scotland).