Too sensitive or is society insensitive?

The mention of the Haunted Mansion is interesting. It's certainly not gory but there are some pretty somber messages mixed in. The hanging man in the stretching room, the bride, the floating chanting head and so on might be seen as evil by some.
 
I agree. Her neighbors know what happened. She shouldn't have to ask for others to refrain from those type of decorations. If something similar happened in my neighborhood, I can't imagine any of my neighbors decorating in the way she described. City wide? No. Not everyone knows and not everyone thninks about it.

I didn't see anything in the article that said her neighbors knew about this. If that's the case, then I think it's probably insensitive. Probably.

Did you read my whole post? I was specifically talking about dead bodies and the fascination with decorating with blood on Halloween. That is scary to many adults, let alone young children. And I'm sorry, but my 3 year old baby boy gets it more than the adults do. He questioned why would people decorate in such a scary way? He is sensitive and understands that his actions will affect others. Too bad some adults don't live that way...:rolleyes1

That is vastly different than Santa Claus. Santa Claus is not a scary looking man with blood and axes in his head. Totally different. Kids are afraid of him as he's a stranger, and that is different than blood splattered on my neighbor's window under the guise of 'fun'.

I can't stand the yucky looking Halloween decorations as I don't think they are tasteful, and frankly, it scares me that people are so obsessed with death and such. We don't decorate that way because we don't like it, and, because we are sensitive to the other people who live around us.

Halloween used to a fun fall celebration of apples, pumpkins and costumes, but now, it's about sadism and sexuality, as it's become an adult-centred event. Neither of those themes are appropriate for children, so people should be sensitive to children since Halloween, IMHO, has been essentially stolen from children.

Tiger

Yes, of course I read your whole post. I simply disagreed with it. I don't see how Halloween has been stolen from children because you personally dislike the way some people choose to decorate.

Your 3-yr-old "gets" it from his perspective, not from a global one. If you simply agreed with him, instead of telling him that not everyone seems things the same way, then I'm not sure if YOU get it. IDK... I suppose it might not be the easiest conversation to have with a 3-yr-old. But just because people enjoy the darker side of Halloween doesn't mean they are obsessed with death, aren't sensitive to other people's feelings, and that they don't know that their actions affect other people.
 
To me, that article seemed more like a catharsis for her. It probably helped to just get it all out. I would hope that her neighbors would be more sensitive, but I do think it is unreasonable for the world to basically stop because she is in pain. My heart goes out to her.
 
Many people don't see Halloween as evil. Sure, there are evil characters around but it's not all about evil. Also, the Santa character is in a haunted house meant for adults or for older kids who can separate fantasy from reality. He's not meant for young children.

As for sexualizing Halloween, that's not only happening with Halloween. The holiday just gives these kids a chance to play out their fantasies. I don't think that minors should be dressing like that either.

I do agree that death is hard. I think that it could be not as hard if we dealt with it though. People tend to shy away from it and the fear of Halloween is only one indication of that among many IMO.

But more and more do treat Halloween as evil and disturbing. How is hanging a dead body from a tree, not disturbing?

I am assuming that the haunted house that you speak of is a paid event, and it's not displayed outside of his house? If so, then kids wouldn't see it, but I am speaking of the symbolism of it. Why choose Santa? I'll ask my English classes on Monday, and they'll have some great answers as to why it's Santa.

The mention of the Haunted Mansion is interesting. It's certainly not gory but there are some pretty somber messages mixed in. The hanging man in the stretching room, the bride, the floating chanting head and so on might be seen as evil by some.

Yup, those are the parts that they don't like. We didn't take our eldest DD until she was older, and we asked her if she wanted to go in. She knows it's all fake, but she hides her eyes at those parts you mentioned. The baby's head is covered up the whole time, as most of it is scary for him. He doesn't get too freaked out though, as he's usually in daddy's arms.

I didn't see anything in the article that said her neighbors knew about this. If that's the case, then I think it's probably insensitive. Probably.



Yes, of course I read your whole post. I simply disagreed with it. I don't see how Halloween has been stolen from children because you personally dislike the way some people choose to decorate.

Your 3-yr-old "gets" it from his perspective, not from a global one. If you simply agreed with him, instead of telling him that not everyone seems things the same way, then I'm not sure if YOU get it. IDK... I suppose it might not be the easiest conversation to have with a 3-yr-old. But just because people enjoy the darker side of Halloween doesn't mean they are obsessed with death, aren't sensitive to other people's feelings, and that they don't know that their actions affect other people.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I do get it... My 3 year old gets the fact that people should be mindful and sensitive to those around him. He saw a friendly carved pumpkin on the same lawn that has dead bodies hanging from a tree, and was confused. Those two worlds are vastly different for him...I told him those are big people things, and he was confused. And that is why I feel Halloween has been kind of stolen from kids. It's gone from pumpkins and costumes, to dead bodies and axes in people's heads. Since when did murder and bondage become fun?

People around here really didn't decorate like this when I was younger in the 70s and 80s, as it really wasn't available. Now that the thrust of Halloween is sadistic, IMHO, people have access to very elaborate decorations and displays. I don't generalize, and would never assume that people who decorate this way are obsessed with death, but surely the symbolism is there. It's the one time of year when people can unleash their inner demons so to speak. If your neighbor regularly decorated his house in this way, I'm sure there would be some issues, but during Halloween it's allowed. What really is the purpose of decorating with dead bodies if not to scare others? As an English teacher, I'm all about symbolism, and so you can't convince me otherwise when discussing Halloween.

To me, that article seemed more like a catharsis for her. It probably helped to just get it all out. I would hope that her neighbors would be more sensitive, but I do think it is unreasonable for the world to basically stop because she is in pain. My heart goes out to her.

I agree that it seems like a catharsis, but wouldn't it be nice if more people actually did think of others before themselves? I don't think she's asking for the world to stop, but for people to put a little thought into what they display in the public world, is not too much to ask, IMHO. We do the same thing at my at-risk highschool. We have many students who have tried to kill themselves, have lost family/friends to suicide, murder or been raped; therefore, we don't show any movies, or choose texts that reflect these images. We have to be sensitive to possible tramaus that could have happened. I think this is reasonable and responsible of us, and we are glad to conduct our school in this manner.

Hope everyone has a safe Halloween, Tiger
 

But more and more do treat Halloween as evil and disturbing. How is hanging a dead body from a tree, not disturbing?

I am assuming that the haunted house that you speak of is a paid event, and it's not displayed outside of his house? If so, then kids wouldn't see it, but I am speaking of the symbolism of it. Why choose Santa?
They choose someone like Santa because the idea of a familiar friendly character going bad if you will is very scary to some people. No one is surprised and seasoned haunted house visitors aren't particularly scared when they see a zombie or a vampire. However, the idea of a beloved fantasy figure from their childhood suddenly being dangerous can be more spooky. The goal of the haunted house builder is to scare people and it becomes more and more of a challenge to spook those who have done it all. Yes, I do know and watch some of the people involved in this. :)

By the way, this particular haunted house is not into gore and body parts and such things. They are much more about the creepiness of the dark and some spooky characters. There is also a back story and actual legend tied into the theme with Santa actually being a part of that story.

Yes, this is a paid event and Santa is not seen outside. He also doesn't particularly look like Santa but it's known that's who he is.
 
They choose someone like Santa because the idea of a familiar friendly character going bad if you will is very scary to some people. No one is surprised and seasoned haunted house visitors aren't particularly scared when they see a zombie or a vampire. However, the idea of a beloved fantasy figure from their childhood suddenly being dangerous can be more spooky. The goal of the haunted house builder is to scare people and it becomes more and more of a challenge to spook those who have done it all. Yes, I do know and watch some of the people involved in this. :)

Yes, this is a paid event and Santa is not seen outside. He also doesn't particularly look like Santa but it's known that's who he is.

Yup, you got it. :thumbsup2 Tiger
 
Yup, you got it. :thumbsup2 Tiger
I added this to my other post...
By the way, this particular haunted house is not into gore and body parts and such things. They are much more about the creepiness of the dark and some spooky characters. There is also a back story and actual legend tied into the theme with Santa actually being a part of that story.

I think that this could be important if you intend to discuss this.
:)
 
I added this to my other post...


I think that this could be important if you intend to discuss this.
:)

Thanks for sharing that. It sounds like a very elaborate display, but one that is behind closed doors, so that people who view it have done so by their own choice.

Sounds like a very interesting event, Tiger
 
I read the blog posting and won't make any judgments on sensitivity. Just because someone asks other people to stop doing something because it bothers them doesn't mean the other people are obligated to stop doing the activity or behavior. I wish I could figure out where people ever got the impression that if they asked for something and didn't get it, now they have a reason to be mad at the other person for not complying.
To me, that article seemed more like a catharsis for her. It probably helped to just get it all out. I would hope that her neighbors would be more sensitive, but I do think it is unreasonable for the world to basically stop because she is in pain. My heart goes out to her.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I've been participating in a miscarriage thread recently and this whole blog entry reminds me of the type of women who've miscarried so now they want everyone else around them to never speak of their own pregnancies again because the thought causes that wilting flower too much pain.

My tongue is bloody because I've bitten it so much in the real world, but here I can speak my mind and what I'd say is this:

The world doesn't revolve around you or your pain. It never did no matter what you were told growing up. If you have a problem with women talking happily during their pregnancies or others discussing their wedding plans when you were stood up at the altar or strangers decorating their houses with hangmans when your child committed suicide by hanging, then you need to deal with your issues. Stop expecting the rest of us to conform to your idea of sensitive behavior. I can't speak for others but I'm not about to let someone else control me in that manner.

It's one thing to hope that family and friends would be sensitive to your issues, but it's complete and utter arrogance and narcissism to expect everyone within the sound of your voice or the view of your blogpost should be sensitive to your issues. They are your issues, not mine.

/rant

Thanks for listening. I SO want to say that in real life but I'm too polite to do so. Someday I'll have the nerve. I hope.
 
If someone in my neighborhood experienced that kind of loss, I would certainly be sensitive to her needs - I would definately change my plans if I had planned to hang a dummy :goodvibes. This is what makes a good neighbor. Her blog is open, painful and honest and I don't think she's being too sensitive. I'm sure she realizes that the whole world won't change for her, but its good that she was able to get her perspective out there.

I personally think Halloween has gotten darker over the years and we've recently changed our normal Halloween activities because of it. I don't expect anybody to stop doing their creepy things, but we're not ringing their doorbells this year ;).
 
I personally think Halloween has gotten darker over the years and we've recently changed our normal Halloween activities because of it. I don't expect anybody to stop doing their creepy things, but we're not ringing their doorbells this year ;).
No worries. I'm sure they'll have lots of other people ringing their doorbell. :rotfl:
 


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