The Wazowski Report ! HalloweenTime TR Day 1 DONE & Day 2 Started !! Added 12/26!

[Sherry E]

I must admit that when my friends and I sit down to take a rest break in DLR and begin people-watching, we always make a point of scouting out the random women in the crowds who are wearing heels. There are always a few, but they are hard to spot. I don't understand it. Even if you have never been to Disneyland before, certainly everyone in the world has heard about it and knows that there is a lot of walking and physical exertion that is going to happen. What on earth possesses some women to wear ANY kind of high-heels to DLR, let alone 4-inchers? I hate to make a sweeping generalization, but it has to be just sheer vanity, at least for the younger girls. (Women in their 30's and above pretty much know better - unless they are trying to look hot!!) They don't care about how impractical it is or how miserable they will be trying to get on and off rides. They only care about looking good. I should be used to that kind of attitude from people given the area of Los Angeles where I have lived all my life, but it never ceases to amaze me!

The only case in which I can understand women wearing high heels to DLR is if they are ONLY going to dinner - maybe at Club 33 - and then leaving immediately after, or possibly on a date somewhere in DTD, then on a whim stroll into the parks and don't have a change of shoes. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me. But it is a long walk from the gates of DL to where Club 33 is, and an even longer walk from DTD! Anyway, when we people watch, we try to find the random girls wearing heels and we try to guess what the relationships are between pairs of people (i.e., married a long time; newly dating; married but hate each other; roommates; friends with benefits; mother-daughter, etc.).

So that lady in her crazy boots would have been a major score for our people watching efforts!!

 

[pixiewings71]

I love the picture of us Kerri !! We seriously COULDN'T stop talking about you & Micah the rest of our trip Jaz & I wish we could've ran into you guys one last time before we all went home, but that's okay We all hope to get together with you again .. along with EVERYONE ELSEEEEE

Me too Kaycee, that pic of the 3 of us is so cute!! Oh and that one of you has Micah in the bg. LOL He's messing with his pins of course. We did see you but you guys were at the other end of MS and we didn't get to you fast enough. LOL I do that we can get together again!!!

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

I must admit that when my friends and I sit down to take a rest break in DLR and begin people-watching, we always make a point of scouting out the random women in the crowds who are wearing heels. There are always a few, but they are hard to spot. I don't understand it. Even if you have never been to Disneyland before, certainly everyone in the world has heard about it and knows that there is a lot of walking and physical exertion that is going to happen. What on earth possesses some women to wear ANY kind of high-heels to DLR, let alone 4-inchers? I hate to make a sweeping generalization, but it has to be just sheer vanity, at least for the younger girls. (Women in their 30's and above pretty much know better - unless they are trying to look hot!!) They don't care about how impractical it is or how miserable they will be trying to get on and off rides. They only care about looking good. I should be used to that kind of attitude from people given the area of Los Angeles where I have lived all my life, but it never ceases to amaze me!

The only case in which I can understand women wearing high heels to DLR is if they are ONLY going to dinner - maybe at Club 33 - and then leaving immediately after, or possibly on a date somewhere in DTD, then on a whim stroll into the parks and don't have a change of shoes. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me. But it is a long walk from the gates of DL to where Club 33 is, and an even longer walk from DTD! Anyway, when we people watch, we try to find the random girls wearing heels and we try to guess what the relationships are between pairs of people (i.e., married a long time; newly dating; married but hate each other; roommates; friends with benefits; mother-daughter, etc.).

So that lady in her crazy boots would have been a major score for our people watching efforts!!

I know ! I think its SO funny. Women who go to the park in heels that do NOT have some sort of meal reservations and are just wearing heels to look hot always seem so desperate to me (that might seem a little harsh, sorry). Whenever I see them I just imagine how her feet feel. OUCH! I would NEVER wear anything but comfortable stuff because the amount of walking we do when we are there!

I love to people watch at Disneyland too! My favorite is when people start dancing. I loove it. I tend to be the person who dances, but when I see other people getting down, I thoroughly enjoy it

Me too Kaycee, that pic of the 3 of us is so cute!! Oh and that one of you has Micah in the bg. LOL He's messing with his pins of course. We did see you but you guys were at the other end of MS and we didn't get to you fast enough. LOL I do that we can get together again!!!

I love that pic too! Its so cute

I kid you not Kerri, we kept saying, geez Kerri & Micah are such cool people. I'm so glad we got to meet them! Maybe our trips will overlap again and we'll be able to hang out again! It would be a blast. You saw us on MS ? Shucks! We were in kind of a hurry on Tuesday though. We were trying to get all our shopping done and meet up with Kaycee's dad at ESPN Zone by 12 ! I was surprised to see all the crowds that day! It was crazy !

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

Kerri, did you go to Pixie Hollow to see Tink and the other fairies ? I figure I'd ask you here because its my thread and I won't get upset about being OT since its safe territory

I kind of wanted to go in there to see what it looked like, but I'm not a huge Tink fan. I figured, I'd ask a Tink fan to see what it was like

 

[Sherry E]

I know ! I think its SO funny. Women who go to the park in heels that do NOT have some sort of meal reservations and are just wearing heels to look hot always seem so desperate to me (that might seem a little harsh, sorry). Whenever I see them I just imagine how her feet feel. OUCH! I would NEVER wear anything but comfortable stuff because the amount of walking we do when we are there!

I love to people watch at Disneyland too! My favorite is when people start dancing. I loove it. I tend to be the person who dances, but when I see other people getting down, I thoroughly enjoy it

You are right - it IS desperate! You're not being harsh! And if the lady in the 4" heel boots was any older than 30, she should know better so that's really desperate! It also speaks volumes about someone when they show up at an amusement park with tons of walking involved wearing crazy heels - again, unless it was a spur of the moment decision to go to DL and the poor girl doesn't know she is going to DL and so hasn't brought the right shoes, OR has a dinner at Club 33 and is planning to leave immediately after. To me, it shows they can't fully let loose and enjoy themselves at DLR. They are probably more concerned with how they look than having a fun time. But, I suppose if a woman wants to wear some crazy shoes to DLR and trot around until her feet are bleeding, then it's her choice. I will worry about my own feet! Who am I to stop her? But I will still be scouting them out in my people-watching endeavors at DLR!!!

I don't think I have ever caught sight of anyone dancing in the middle of DLR (other than on the actual dance floor areas)! I will have to keep my eyes peeled for random dancers! I just like to observe body language and see if I can tell if a couple is happy together or if one person in the pair wants more than the other person wants, or if they can't stand each other - that sort of thing!! Good times!

 

[Disneygrl36]

Jasmine.......you can just tell how great a time you guys had. It looks like your cousin who isn't that much of a Disney lover seemed to have a blast too. Did you convert him????

Your night time shots with the tripod are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! My favorite is the NO Square one of the Christmas decorations.

Also, the one of you & the AXIOM skipping down an empty Main Street. Priceless.

 

[DisneySuiteFreak]

No problem !! I was thinking about it and was totally confused for an hour trying to remember what day everything happened. That lady with her white boots TOTALLY stuck in my mind though. I'm just going to be honest and say that she looked crazy ! Her outfit did not look comfortable AT ALL for DL.

The tripod I'm using is the Manfrotto 785 Modo Maxi Photo Video Grip Head Tripod. I LOOVE it! I'm gonna say its like 2.5 lbs although I'm not exactly sure the actual weight. I don't think its too much of an inconvenience, plus I always think its worth it because I want to take fantastic shots of Disneyland so I can make a tablebook (thanks TravelMel for the awesome idea). I got it on amazon.com and right now if you get it from there its going for $56! I think thats a steal!

Thanks for the info!

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

I don't think I have ever caught sight of anyone dancing in the middle of DLR (other than on the actual dance floor areas)! I will have to keep my eyes peeled for random dancers! I just like to observe body language and see if I can tell if a couple is happy together or if one person in the pair wants more than the other person wants, or if they can't stand each other - that sort of thing!! Good times!

Its one of my favorite things to look at around the park ! Its so nice that they have all that wonderful music all over the place to get people in the mood to move around

Jasmine.......you can just tell how great a time you guys had. It looks like your cousin who isn't that much of a Disney lover seemed to have a blast too. Did you convert him????

Your night time shots with the tripod are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! My favorite is the NO Square one of the Christmas decorations.

Also, the one of you & the AXIOM skipping down an empty Main Street. Priceless.

Thank you Melanie I was so glad that they didn't take down the decor on Monday night because that is when I took the pic. Officially it was supposed to be gone by then, but the night before I forgot to bring my tripod (I was devastated that I would not have enough time to go back to the hotel and grab it). Good thing everything was still up

Thanks for the info!

No problem !

 

[kaoden39]

I think that the people watching is one of the best things about Disneyland. Don't get me wrong I love the rides and all that but I am a fan of the whole thing. Even the warts.

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

I think that the people watching is one of the best things about Disneyland. Don't get me wrong I love the rides and all that but I am a fan of the whole thing. Even the warts.

I agree! Its just too interesting to see people at the parks watch them interact with their families. Very fun

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

Tuesday January 6th: Day 4
Happy 21st Birthday Kaycee !

Luckily, some of us had already packed some of our stuff to make it easier to get going. For sure we knew that we would not be back in the hotel in time to check out so, I had everyone’s stuff go in my car so we could check out early. Originally, we were only supposed to go to the park for 3 days, but since TheAXIOM bought his AP and disneyL0VE got hers for Christmas from their dad, we thought it would be a good idea to pay for Jesse’s extra day and go in the park so we could try and get on rides that we could not get on. I was surprised that in those three days we STILL had not been on everything, but it was definitely possible since it was pretty crowded while we were there. Kaycee and Jesse got going early so Kaycee could get her fun card and so we could add an extra day to Jesse’s 3 day park hopper (oh, btw we almost were not able to do so because we did it the day after). By the time Shyboy72, TheAXIOM, and I met up with Jesse and Kaycee, they were near to the front of the line at the turnstiles to get into the park.

We had a clear plan the night before what rides we were going for and in what order to get on them. The park opened up at 10 am and we had to meet up for lunch at ESPN zone with Kaycee’s dad at 1. We only had 3 hours to get on the following rides : Matterhorn Bobsleds, Peter Pan, Splash Mountain, and Winnie the Pooh. Ohhh and to also have time to shop Kaycee’s fun card away.

So right when we got in the park, we decked it right for Matterhorn. We were there before the rope drop (we never are), and so Jesse went to the bathroom real quick and Shyboy72 went into Blue Ribbon to get a coffee. We all hurried over to the Matterhorn and got on in about 15 minutes! Not bad at all. We all got our own seat (which was nice because I personally don’t like scrunching up and being all uncomfortable on that ride when it already is kind of bumpy to begin with). After, we went through the side of Fantasyland and went straight in line for Peter Pan. The wait was only about 15 minutes as well (which I was kind of shocked about because its usually ridiculous). We heard a lot of people from Australia which I was really stoked about because I LOOOOVE accents. I’m so sad that I don’t have one, so whenever there is anyone around with an accent I always try and be nosy or start up a conversation with them.

There was a man in front of us with his son going “WOO!” every time a ship flew off into the Darlings bedroom and I started doing it with them and his son started to get excited (he was weary of standing in line). It was fun to do ! I told him he should work there when he gets older. He was still tired, poor little guy. When we got off the ride I couldn’t help but think about EmmersIsTheMommy winning the Dream Suite right there. SOOO jealous !

After, we headed towards Critter Country and cut through the back ways and passed Rancho del Zocalo. TheAXIOM had to go to the restroom so we waited and enjoyed the Christmas décor in that area. So nice !

We saw the partitions up around HM. So sad to see it go, but what can ya do right ? We went straight in line to Splash and it was a complete walk on. We got our own raft, so that was nice. Shyboy and Jesse got the most wet and of course TheAXIOM complained about his little wet knee splotch.

Our last destination was Winnie the Pooh and it was only 11 ! Yay That was also a walk on and after we had to get some tigger tails and sweets! I bought Kaycee a cupcake because we’re BOTH obsessed with cupcakes. I also bought trail mix, a chocolate caramel pecan marshmallow doo hicky, and a real cute candy apple for my mom. Shyboy got a brownie and the other guys got the tails too.

We ate those on the way out and I was getting a HUGE sugar rush. I needed something salty to balance things out so I got a pickle. MMMM.

We walked through Adventureland because the guys wanted to see if they could squeeze in Indie. Before heading towards it, we went through Tarzan’s Treehouse because I’ve never been on it. It was pretty neat. Turns out Indie was shut down. While we were there, I decided to treat everyone to Bengal Bbq because I HAD to try it. Like everyone said, it was very pricy for the portion size, but we weren’t going for a full meal.

Luckily by the time we were done, they opened up Indie, so Kaycee and I went to Main Street and the guys went on the ride. We looked around and shopped and by the time Kaycee had to pay, their machines went down and she couldn’t use her fun card. She was already kind of cranky (she gets that way easily haha) and I spotted her some cash to pay for her stuff. I wanted to get those wonderful mickey aprons and have them embroidered. We met up with the guys and Shyboy wanted to do the same for his mom. Luckily the hat store was so close because Kaycee wanted to get ears with her boyfriend’s name on it. They said everything would be done in an hr so I said okay and proceeded to pay. I gave the girl my AP after we got everything done and she was really pissy giving me attitude saying that next time I should give her my AP right away because now she had to adjust everything on her system. BLEH. Its your job anyway girl, don’t give me sass because you’re having a bad day. GRRR.

Next she helped Shyboy72 and he wrote down his mom’s name because that’s the way he remembers how to spell it out and the girl was being so rude to him too. UGH. She was such a (pardon my french) b*tch. I was getting so pissed at her, but we were cutting it so close on time that I just dealt with it. Kaycee was very impatient and said no about the hat. We left DL and went to ESPN Zone.

They sat us right away and I told the hostess it was Kaycee’s birthday and she said she could get her name on the marquee. I was pretty stoked about that.

Kaycee got a raspberry mojito and we all enjoyed our food. We were all pretty wiped out, so our conversation was kind of slow and lack of excitement. Haha.

The Food :

After the lunch, everyone went to the World of Disney while I made my way back into the park so I could pick up the aprons. The rude girl was still there, but another CM was there so she was on good behavior around her. I decked it back to World of Disney because I had shopping to do there myself. Everyone was still shopping around so I had plenty of time. After getting our stuff, disneyL0VE, TheAXIOM tried again to get the vinylmation pins we wanted. We became obsessed with pins this weekend.

Once we were done, we began to walk back to Hojo’s so we could take off back to San Jose. On our way, we had to go through the bag checkpoint and these scene teenagers were trying to bypass the line and asked us if we had our tickets to the parks and if they could have them because they were doing a “school project” and we said no and that we had APs and they said something snotty like “its so expensive to get into the parks.” BLEH, what losers. I was done with DLR by then just because of how many people were there, so we walked back and packed our things to go home. It took us about 6 ½ hours to get home because of the traffic in LA, but that was expected. It was a really fun trip and I can’t wait to go again!

 

[Sherry E]

I LOOOOOVED my food at ESPN Zone in October (and the server, Amy, was great). You said you had a PS for ESPN?? Did you make it through Disneyland Dining or some other way? I thought I had heard that Disney Dining was no longer taking PS's for ESPN and that they are tricky to get, but let me know how you did it so I can do it too. The wait to be seated killed me in October. It was crazy without a PS! Your pictures are making me so hungry! I need to start incorporating ESPN into more DLR trips, and put it in place of some of the other restaurants I am burning out on like Carnation and Rainforest Cafe! Yummy chicken strips with great BBQ sauce and THICK milkshakes!

So, I wasn't clear on what happened with Kaycee's Fun Card. When the machines went down and she couldn't use the Card, did they give her a voucher to use it later or can she just go back to DLR any time and use the card? At first it was thought that they could only be used ON the actual birthdays, but now that has changed, apparently!

And, the mission of this trip was to restore your cousin's Disney magic. Did you succeed? Has it been restored? I must know!!

 

[disneyL0VE]

I LOOOOOVED my food at ESPN Zone in October (and the server, Amy, was great). You said you had a PS for ESPN?? Did you make it through Disneyland Dining or some other way? I thought I had heard that Disney Dining was no longer taking PS's for ESPN and that they are tricky to get, but let me know how you did it so I can do it too. The wait to be seated killed me in October. It was crazy without a PS! Your pictures are making me so hungry! I need to start incorporating ESPN into more DLR trips, and put it in place of some of the other restaurants I am burning out on like Carnation and Rainforest Cafe! Yummy chicken strips with great BBQ sauce and THICK milkshakes!

So, I wasn't clear on what happened with Kaycee's Fun Card. When the machines went down and she couldn't use the Card, did they give her a voucher to use it later or can she just go back to DLR any time and use the card. At first it was thought that they could only be used ON the actual birthdays, but not that has changed, apparently!

And, the mission of this trip was to restore your cousin's Disney magic. Did you succeed? Has it been restored? I must know!!

We didn't have PS for ESPN, Sherry We went on a weekday & figured it wouldn't be too busy for lunch, especially around 1. When we got there, it seemed empty ! Our waiter was very funny and nice, I don't remember his name so we just called him "Dude." & He helped me out with choosing my drink because I hate the taste of alcohol

About my Fun Card - their credit card system was entirely down on Main Street when Jaz & I went to shop.. so I couldn't use my Fun Card. I usually get irritated easily (don't know why) on our last day so I didn't feel like waiting. I figured we'd just go to ESPN for lunch then go shopping - by then their system was up & running.

We SUCCESSFULLY restored the Disney Magic in our other cousin I think 4 days was just a lil too much for him though so he won't be returning to DL for a while I think

 

[Sherry E]

We didn't have PS for ESPN, Sherry We went on a weekday & figured it wouldn't be too busy for lunch, especially around 1. When we got there, it seemed empty ! Our waiter was very funny and nice, I don't remember his name so we just called him "Dude." & He helped me out with choosing my drink because I hate the taste of alcohol

About my Fun Card - their credit card system was entirely down on Main Street when Jaz & I went to shop.. so I couldn't use my Fun Card. I usually get irritated easily (don't know why) on our last day so I didn't feel like waiting. I figured we'd just go to ESPN for lunch then go shopping - by then their system was up & running.

We SUCCESSFULLY restored the Disney Magic in our other cousin I think 4 days was just a lil too much for him though so he won't be returning to DL for a while I think

Thanks for the reply, Kaycee! Okay, I got it now. I read the 1:00 time for ESPN Zone and assumed it was some sort of PS. I don't know what they are doing about PS's now, but when I ate there in October on a Thursday night, the wait was sooooooo long. I will have to try it at some mid-afternoon time in the future, and hope that it's not too crowded!

So your Fun Card didn't go to waste, which is a good thing. At least now we all know that they can be used on other days besides the actual birthday, so if there are any technical glitches in their system, people won't miss out on being able to use it.

Four days at DLR can be a lot for people who don't LOVE DLR as much as you do. Of course, I would love to have four FULL days straight (or more) to really cover a lot of ground, but the fact that you guys got Jesse back into the Disney spirit even a little bit is encouraging!!!

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

Thanks for the reply, Kaycee! Okay, I got it now. I read the 1:00 time for ESPN Zone and assumed it was some sort of PS. I don't know what they are doing about PS's now, but when I ate there in October on a Thursday night, the wait was sooooooo long. I will have to try it at some mid-afternoon time in the future, and hope that it's not too crowded!

So your Fun Card didn't go to waste, which is a good thing. At least now we all know that they can be used on other days besides the actual birthday, so if there are any technical glitches in their system, people won't miss out on being able to use it.

Four days at DLR can be a lot for people who don't LOVE DLR as much as you do. Of course, I would love to have four FULL days straight (or more) to really cover a lot of ground, but the fact that you guys got Jesse back into the Disney spirit even a little bit is encouraging!!!

I think that Jesse really enjoyed DLR a lot because he bought a small book about the history of DL and wanted to know more historical background about the place. I think him not coming back for a while has to do with how expensive it is to go there

I really like ESPN Zone. I'm surprised that you had to wait so long to eat there. I guess I just get lucky every time I go because we always just end up waiting about 10 minutes to sit down. Then again we always go on weekdays during lunch. Who knows though! I love the food there. Its really good for the price

 

[pixiewings71]

I know ! I think its SO funny. Women who go to the park in heels that do NOT have some sort of meal reservations and are just wearing heels to look hot always seem so desperate to me (that might seem a little harsh, sorry). Whenever I see them I just imagine how her feet feel. OUCH! I would NEVER wear anything but comfortable stuff because the amount of walking we do when we are there!

I love to people watch at Disneyland too! My favorite is when people start dancing. I loove it. I tend to be the person who dances, but when I see other people getting down, I thoroughly enjoy it



I love that pic too! Its so cute

I kid you not Kerri, we kept saying, geez Kerri & Micah are such cool people. I'm so glad we got to meet them! Maybe our trips will overlap again and we'll be able to hang out again! It would be a blast. You saw us on MS ? Shucks! We were in kind of a hurry on Tuesday though. We were trying to get all our shopping done and meet up with Kaycee's dad at ESPN Zone by 12 ! I was surprised to see all the crowds that day! It was crazy !

Awww, you guys!!! You're making me blush! LOL I hope we can get together again, either at DL or just to hang out in San Jose or something. We really liked hanging out with you guys too. Yes, we saw you on MS, you were about halfway down and we were at the beginning. I thought about screaming "HAPPY BIRTHDAY KAYCEE!!!!!!!!!!!" at the top of my lungs but reconsidered. LOL You guys were in a hurry, we saw the boys after in the Frontierland pin shop, they said you were meeting with Kaycee's Dad at ESPN Zone. Your food looked GOOD!!!! I hope you were able to grab Kaycee a drink, after all she was LEGAL!

Kerri, did you go to Pixie Hollow to see Tink and the other fairies ? I figure I'd ask you here because its my thread and I won't get upset about being OT since its safe territory

I kind of wanted to go in there to see what it looked like, but I'm not a huge Tink fan. I figured, I'd ask a Tink fan to see what it was like

I decided not to do PH because my girls are such major fans of Tink. I thought it would be magical to wait and do it with them. So we are planning on doing that when we go in a few weeks to activate their AP's.

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

Awww, you guys!!! You're making me blush! LOL I hope we can get together again, either at DL or just to hang out in San Jose or something. We really liked hanging out with you guys too. Yes, we saw you on MS, you were about halfway down and we were at the beginning. I thought about screaming "HAPPY BIRTHDAY KAYCEE!!!!!!!!!!!" at the top of my lungs but reconsidered. LOL You guys were in a hurry, we saw the boys after in the Frontierland pin shop, they said you were meeting with Kaycee's Dad at ESPN Zone. Your food looked GOOD!!!! I hope you were able to grab Kaycee a drink, after all she was LEGAL!



I decided not to do PH because my girls are such major fans of Tink. I thought it would be magical to wait and do it with them. So we are planning on doing that when we go in a few weeks to activate their AP's.

We did get her a drink! She had a raspberry mojito and I SOOO wanted to join her, but I was driving home. She calls me a lightweight, but she only finished half her drink. What a NOOOOB. It was funny !

How cool that you guys are going to see it together for the first time. Let me know how it is in there. I'm not a big fan, but if its worth it to see, I'd DEFINITELY go !

 

[prettyprincessbelle]

YO! Who got the bleu cheese burger. It looks yummy and that's my kinda food!!!!

at TheAxiom's wet knee! BABY!!!!

Yeah, that pickle looks so good right now. Man.

Okay! And tell Eric not to feel bad because I HAVE to write things down when I'm trying to spell. I can't picture it in my head if it's spelled right, so I need to write it. I do it all the time at work. Or I type it, but uh, same thing!

 

[wazowskiLOVER:)]

YO! Who got the bleu cheese burger. It looks yummy and that's my kinda food!!!!

at TheAxiom's wet knee! BABY!!!!

Yeah, that pickle looks so good right now. Man.

Okay! And tell Eric not to feel bad because I HAVE to write things down when I'm trying to spell. I can't picture it in my head if it's spelled right, so I need to write it. I do it all the time at work. Or I type it, but uh, same thing!

That was Jesse! He said it was very good

Oh and I looove pickles too My uncle actually got me one of those Costco sized jars of pickles and I just put the jar in the refrigerator a couple of hours ago. In fact, just because I read what you said, I pulled a pickle out and am eating one right now ! WOO!

I told Eric what you said, and he said "see I'm not the only one." That lady was so rude. It was ridiculous!

 

[travelmel]

The food looked great! I'm glad Kaycee had a fun birthday and sorry to see your TR come to a close. Looking forward to you getting back to your make-up thread though!