The 1-15 Cruise, going from bad to worse ...

[dwkwootton]

Many of you have been so quick to shoot that you have not listened well, missed the point on many issues, and have yet to ask questions, let alone discuss anything with anyone to get a better understanding of how they feel, why, or anything.

I guess some would admire the moxie of the poster who had the audacity to launch an attack so vicious that I had to read it twice to believe it ... to impune the character of those who she decided had impuned someone's character and to chastise those who wanted less than she had taken for herself or who chose to sail in a less risky season that she had chosen to sail in. Um, ok, would that be do as I say and you're scum if you do as I do?

Evidently, you best not post anything negative if you sail during half of the calendar year ~ from August to November, January, or February. And never forget that if it was better than being at work or in the path of the tsunami, any criticism makes you a greedy, ungrateful human being with a bad attitude. I'm not sure which group I'll be lumped into since I had a great time on the first 7 or 8 Disney Cruises I took, including the ones with bad weather. My character and attitude have not changed dramatically in the 7 months since I last sailed. What is this panic that ensues at the mere suggestion that Disney did not do the best job that they could have?

As memory serves, it is not ok to be upset if you miss half your ports, but it is ok to complain and demand compensation if your departure port is changed or you have decided that you have sailed frequently enough to demand preferential treatment, even if you opt to sail in the height of hurricane season.

How can anyone think that the gal who ordered a diet sprite during the free glass of wine dinner should have been charged for it, whether she was diabetic or not? What about those who choose to not drink alcohol, they get nothing while some get a glass of wine? How about if you are allergic to sulfites, the next guy gets something and you get nothing? This is part of the point that was missed and one of the places where Disney dropped the ball ... it was a bad idea and did make for problems to choose what beverage would be your perk ... for pete's sake, just keep it simple and make the dinner a free beverage of your choice dinner.

Its enough already being subjected to the obnoxious group who attempts to intimidate those who don't agree with them. I've received PM's from several people over the months who agreed with something I said or whatever, who literally stated in their PM to me that they were afraid to post their opinion on the board. There are so many issues worthy of a good discussion from the 1-15 cruise, if only there were a discussion board to do so on.

 

[MarkLem]

If you think it's bad on this forum, try brousing over on the Theme Parks forum. Many more personal attacks from those blinded by the "Disney Magic" and "pixie dust".

 

[HappyLawyer]

i think anyone can post an opinion, but do it in a respectful way, everyone is entitled to their thoughts, i hate when someone is attacked and i am quick to jump in to their defense, the problem here is many are adults and few act like it

 

[dwkwootton]

The funny thing is that I think alot of people would have felt better just to have others post understanding messages. A simple "wow, that is so disappointing, I'm sorry that happened" (or something) would have gone a long way.

I wonder if these guys are like this at home with their families and friends? If someone comes home from work bummed out because they had a bad day, do they get blasted that they have a bad attitude and should be grateful that they have a job? Or maybe if a friend is brave enough to phone them to gripe a bit about their spouse do they get screamed at because their marriage is what they make of it and at least you aren't married to Scott Peterson?

The logic, or lack there of, is absurd.

If you had hoped to have sunshine and warm temps in the Caribbean, you're an idiot? If you are disappointed that you missed half your ports, you're cruising for the wrong reasons? If you are anywhere except work, you should be ecstatic?

How's this. No more free upgrades. Ever. You don't pay for it, you don't get it. Or at least, flip out on those who have the audacity to post that they got something for nothing. Disney should make an announcement at the pier ... auction starting in 10 minutes ... the rooms available for upgrade go to the highest bidder.

Or maybe we should pay by the pound and not by the season. If you are overweight, you should pay more than I do. I'm not overweight and I don't overeat. I should not pay more than my fair share to offset the price of those that eat enough for 2 or 3 people. You order 2 main courses at dinner, you should be charged for the 2nd meal. You get one shot through the buffet line, or pay a surcharge for each time you return to pile more food on your plate. Or maybe I should just demand a discount for eating only one meal at a time.

Let's see, I also don't drink soda. I'm a water drinker and since that is free, I should get a discount for that too. I kinda like a slice of lemon in it, so if Disney now provides free soda, in the spirit of fairness, they should be required to provide lemon slices. But since I've never complained about it, maybe I should get a good sportsmanship discount.

Since the "whiners" complained enough about paying so much money for soda, Disney responded with expanding the Deck 9 beverage station and that undoubtedly resulted in higher prices for everyone. It probably caused my dental insurance premiums to go up as well, so that is also your fault and you owe me for that too.

Besides, if you wanted to drink soda, you missed the point of a cruise.

 

[sweet angel]

I didn't read this entire thread, nor did I see what apparently occurred on a different thread, but I will say this...

There are very many self-righteous people here that seem to feel that the way they do things is the only CORRECT way to do things. All different people make up the world and we sure can't be expected to tolerate them all.

If you want to vent about a trip that you were disappointed in, feel free. It's your opinon and you're entitled to it.

I just hope when the high and mighty fall off their pedestals they don't get hurt too badly.

This board really isn't the nicey nice place that one would expect.

 

[cepmom]

Besides, if you wanted to drink soda, you missed the point of a cruise.

Let me just start off by saying I am not attacking you or anything to do with the other thread in which I think you are referring to. I can't stand it when something seemingly innocent turns into a huge debate. Now that I got that up front, I'm not sure what you mean by the above quote. Is it that if you're on a cruise you shouldn't be drinking soda, but rather alcoholic beverages instead? Many cruisers choose not to drink alcohol for their own reasons; I don't think people that choose to drink soda are missing the point of cruising.
If I misunderstood you, then I apologize.

 

[dwkwootton]

Cepmom, thanks so much for stating your opposing opinion in such a polite manner and for apologizing in case you misunderstood my point about soda.

My crack about soda was indeed intended to be absurd. Was hoping to make a point to the obnoxious and nasty posters who have become so ridiculous as to reduce themselves to remarks like wanting to go to a port suggests that you missed the point of cruising. I guess they have to come up with something to defend their behavior.

 

[WDWLVR]

Cepmom, thanks so much for stating your opposing opinion in such a polite manner and for apologizing in case you misunderstood my point about soda.

My crack about soda was indeed intended to be absurd. Was hoping to make a point to the obnoxious and nasty posters who have become so ridiculous as to reduce themselves to remarks like wanting to go to a port suggests that you missed the point of cruising. I guess they have to come up with something to defend their behavior.

I take that comment was directed at me since I made the comment below:

* It is a shame that this cruise didn't get to Castaway Cay. Our first cruise didn't either and our last cruise (the 10 day) got there but there was no swimming as the lagoon was closed and it was cold and dreary. Don't get me wrong Castaway Cay is a beautiful island - but if you get that upset about missing it then you miss what a cruise is all about.

My point was that the cruise shouldn't be focused on one thing like Castaway Cay. When you buy an airline ticket you are buying transportation. When you buy a cruise you are buying the entire experience. If one part of that experience is missing (e.g. Castaway Cay) it is certainly your right to feel disappointed (as I was when we missed it on our first cruise). I do however feel that it is wrong to expect compensation for it. i stand by that opinion and don't feel that I was being obnoxious or nasty in making that statement or any of the others I made on that other thread.

 

[cepmom]

dwkwootton-
Thanks for clarifying your post. I get it now. I hate getting in the middle of debates, but that one stuck with me and I felt I needed to speak up. Unfortunately, this thread looks like it is headed to be closed by a moderator. It is sad when people feel they can't post their opinions without being attacked by others who disagree.

 

[dwkwootton]

I take that comment was directed at me since I made the comment below:



My point was that the cruise shouldn't be focused on one thing like Castaway Cay. When you buy an airline ticket you are buying transportation. When you buy a cruise you are buying the entire experience. If one part of that experience is missing (e.g. Castaway Cay) it is certainly your right to feel disappointed (as I was when we missed it on our first cruise). I do however feel that it is wrong to expect compensation for it. i stand by that opinion and don't feel that I was being obnoxious or nasty in making that statement or any of the others I made on that other thread.

That comment was not directed at any one particular person. But I'll respond directly to this comment. If your point is that the cruise shouldn't be focused on one thing, how about two things? We missed two ports. How about three things? The weather was bad most of the week. How about four things? The activities were not up to par. As I stated earlier, 2 of the 6 CM's in charge of activities were out of commission with the flu. How about five? Six? Just what is ok according to you? And who put you and some of the others on this board in charge of what's ok and what isn't?

While I was being sarcastic that if you drink soda you've missed the point of cruising, the point about everyone paying the price for the soda drinkers and overeaters might be worth a thought. Everyone appears to be primarily outraged at the thought that we might get a discount voucher for a future cruise. Since its all dollars and cents that's the problem, how about looking at what costs more, an occasional future discount or the constant tons of food and soda for the overindulgent.

 

[WDWLVR]

That comment was not directed at any one particular person. But I'll respond directly to this comment. If your point is that the cruise shouldn't be focused on one thing, how about two things? We missed two ports. How about three things? The weather was bad most of the week. How about four things? The activities were not up to par. As I stated earlier, 2 of the 6 CM's in charge of activities were out of commission with the flu. How about five? Six? Just what is ok according to you? And who put you and some of the others on this board in charge of what's ok and what isn't?

While I was being sarcastic that if you drink soda you've missed the point of cruising, the point about everyone paying the price for the soda drinkers and overeaters might be worth a thought. Everyone appears to be primarily outraged at the thought that we might get a discount voucher for a future cruise. Since its all dollars and cents that's the problem, how about looking at what costs more, an occasional future discount or the constant tons of food and soda for the overindulgent.

Wow - you certainly put a lot of words in my mouth. I was simply stating my opinion and thought I was doing it in a very even tone. Since you don't want to hear anything but people agreeing with you I'm sorry to disappoint you - you won't be getting that from me.

 

[suesings]

dwkwootton

Your post made me Bust-up Laughing outloud at work!! That was so funny. You are a witty writer.

Thanks for putting things in perspective.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH - TOO FUNNY

 

[smchan]

Wow, dwkwootton, I sense your frustration. I appreciated your logic and the absurb exaggerations. Excellent post! Funny thing is I has similar reactions earlier today. Specifically, I noticed some of the flamers were from Florida and while complaining about others asking for vouchers for a bad cruise experience (thus driving up costs), they sure weren't leading the charge to do away with Florida resident discounts.

As for me, I'm a bit on the heavy side so I vote "NO" on the fat tax.

Sam

 

[MarkRG]

I have refrained from commenting until this time but I will bring it around again to the main point.

The weather and its subsequent effects are the one thing that is NOT Disney's ball to drop.

You booked a cruise at this time of year on a lower price because the weather is known to be iffy, just like in Hurricane season.

Now, if they had been derlict in their duty as far as foodservice or shipboard activites that's one thing. But for the weather to be too rough for them to dock or tender to a port, well that's the gamble you're doing for that upfront lower price than other times of the year. It can and does happen. Someone at least a year ago actually tracked 'missed' cc times and this time of the year was the highest, I do believe.

Now, I have no bother whatsoever if Disney decides to give you all something.

My only bother is the fact that people are looking for one above and beyond the fact they got a price break on the cruise to begin with. Over the one thing Disney has absolutely no control over and say so right upfront in all your documentation. Guess the rules apply to someone else.

 

[smchan]

Now, if they had been derlict in their duty as far as foodservice or shipboard activites that's one thing. But for the weather to be too rough for them to dock or tender to a port, well that's the gamble you're doing for that upfront lower price than other times of the year. It can and does happen. Someone at least a year ago actually tracked 'missed' cc times and this time of the year was the highest, I do believe.

Hoo boy... more personal opinion being passed off as fact. So you're intimately knowledgeable with DCL's pricing procedures, or are you speculating? I've already shown that average wind and wave (natural factors that usually inhibit port visits) are just as bad in July as they are in January.

As for missed dockings at CC, Lloyd shared his data earlier. For January, there were 2 total missed dockings. The most misses came in the fall, especially September when there were 8 misses.

Sam

 

[inkkognito]

This thread seems to be turning into a debate/attack rather than useful information so I think it's time to close it.
Barb