Teachers....has anyone not been hired

luvmyfam444

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you feel because of their Master's Degree? Around here there are no jobs - if you're not tenured you're out of luck....(probably the same in many places).

I was talking to a gf the other day & she was questioning if it would be smart to go ahead & get a Master's Degree before getting a teaching job.
Her reasoning to not get a Master's would be the budget cuts - the principals would want to be hiring the "cheaper" teachers. Of course if I was a tenured teacher it would be a no-brainer 'cause they'd have to pay me.

Just curious on your thoughts/ experiences.
 
Our district will hire people with Master's degrees ... and actually prefer it (they end up not paying for your degree while you are teaching). If you are going for a Master's Degree, I would recommend researching what is seen as valuable. At our high school we have posts all the time for "social studies teacher/sp. ed or math/sp.ed) I have my Master's as a Reading Specialist and this was an asset when I applied for my last two jobs. I was a first grade teacher, but eventually switched into a remedial reading position ... which I love.

However, try not to go into debt to get your degree, or minimize the debt as much as you can. Sub during the day and go to school at night ...

Hope this helps and good luck. I hope you get a job.
 
Some master's degree programs wont take you without teaching experience. At least in the programs that I have researched...Elementary Education Masters programs.
 
That's the way it is around here. They have to pay more for teachers with a master's degree, so they typically hire people with bachelors instead.

I wish I'd gone that route.

ETA: Oh, and I want to mention that schools where I live are notoriously bad for not hiring their subs! There's been a big uproar about it, but the schools really haven't changed their policies.
 

Im getting my Masters now and am trying to find a job but havent gotten an offer yet. Im in special ed so there is a need for teachers in my area of concintration.
 
I was hired with my masters degree. I think my principal preferred that I had a graduate degree. The salary is less than $3,000 a year difference. I can't imagine any principal caring about that. :confused3
 
I don't know anyone who has worried about having a Master's degree, but I have heard of that being the case for more advanced degrees (Specialist, Doctorate).

I probably need to add that the current budget cuts could have an impact on that. I never thought I would see a time when excellent teachers were strongly encouraged to retire so they could hire younger teachers with much less experience (who cost less). That's what's been happening in our area over the last year.
 
In some districts (in NY and NJ, at least) you HAVE to get your masters degree by a certain time. I would think it wouldn't be a big factor. If you are a good teacher, they are going to want you. Like a pp said, they'd rather you have it ahead of time so they don't have to pay for it!
 
In some districts (in NY and NJ, at least) you HAVE to get your masters degree by a certain time. I would think it wouldn't be a big factor. If you are a good teacher, they are going to want you. Like a pp said, they'd rather you have it ahead of time so they don't have to pay for it!

I know that in our state teachers pay for their own Master's (we do get a raise of about $2000 per year).
 
Our district hires mainly teachers without masters so they can pay them less until they get it- they have to get it within a certain period of time but they can pay them less until they do. My friends daughter is having a hard time getting a job because she already has her masters.
 
Wow - interesting - no, here they don't pay you to get your Master's. I Never knew some areas did that - NOR did I know that some states required a Master's.
But wasn't it NY that had all the teachers fired? Or was that some other east coast state? Just wondering.

No way to not go into debt - school loans & house are the only debt we have - so I justify it that way.

I've never been a teacher so it'll be hard to get a job period. Here they don't even have the sub application out there - they aren't accepting any subs - only those already with their card. (which is okay 'cause I couldn't sub anyway - I have a 4yo @ home )

My dd's kinder teacher has been looking for a job for 7yrs now. She's had several sub jobs - in fact the last 2 yrs have been sub jobs from about 2wks into school til the end. They give her sub pay - no benefits or anything. She has an ed degree & was working on her master's.

THEN I look @ my sil who's never been a teacher - but is in the right place @ the right time - been subbing for a while @ her kids school (SMALL city of about 5,000 folks) & she's walked into an interim teaching job - starts teaching from day1 & will teach all year for a preg teach that won't be back. (SIL has a temporary certificate - she has a degree in interior design).

It's just so frustrating to know I may not get a job regardless - of course that's the same as anyone coming out of college - but teachers used to be a safe bet in getting a job somewhere - ya know?

The other hiccup here - which IDK if is the same everywhere or not - if you changes counties you lose your time towards tenure. (I thought it'd be as long as you were in same state - not county) so even though I'd be willing to take a year or so in an inner city school -they are in another county & I'd be shooting myself in the foot (not really since its still experience - but still...)
 
But wasn't it NY that had all the teachers fired? Or was that some other east coast state? Just wondering.

Probably was the city. We just had over a dozen teachers take an early buy out retirement so they could hire new teachers at less money-- the retired ones were making 110,000+ and the new ones only make 44,000 so they are saving a bit of money there. We have a bunch of others taking a one year leave of absence for various reasons to cheaper leave replacements will be filling in there too.
 
THEN I look @ my sil who's never been a teacher - but is in the right place @ the right time - been subbing for a while @ her kids school (SMALL city of about 5,000 folks) & she's walked into an interim teaching job - starts teaching from day1 & will teach all year for a preg teach that won't be back. (SIL has a temporary certificate - she has a degree in interior design).

It's just so frustrating to know I may not get a job regardless - of course that's the same as anyone coming out of college - but teachers used to be a safe bet in getting a job somewhere - ya know?

The other hiccup here - which IDK if is the same everywhere or not - if you changes counties you lose your time towards tenure. (I thought it'd be as long as you were in same state - not county) so even though I'd be willing to take a year or so in an inner city school -they are in another county & I'd be shooting myself in the foot (not really since its still experience - but still...)

Being in the right place at the right time can make all the difference. I once helped a friend get hired on the first day of school. He had just graduated and needed a job. The other teacher didn't show up, and they needed somebody quickly. When one of the principals mentioned it to me, they told me to call him in for an interview. He was hired that day.

I've heard several older administrators/teachers comment that education used to be a safe bet (as far as finding a job somewhere) but not anymore.

Our state doesn't have tenure so changing counties doesn't impact us.
 
All districts have their own rules, but in my district (NJ) we have to get a Master's degree within a certain number of years of being tenured or they freeze you on the pay scale. Some of the teachers in my building are at that point and they are not getting their step raise this September.

My district does hire people with Master's degrees.
 
Wow - interesting - no, here they don't pay you to get your Master's. I Never knew some areas did that - NOR did I know that some states required a Master's.
But wasn't it NY that had all the teachers fired? Or was that some other east coast state? Just wondering.

No way to not go into debt - school loans & house are the only debt we have - so I justify it that way.

I've never been a teacher so it'll be hard to get a job period. Here they don't even have the sub application out there - they aren't accepting any subs - only those already with their card. (which is okay 'cause I couldn't sub anyway - I have a 4yo @ home )

My dd's kinder teacher has been looking for a job for 7yrs now. She's had several sub jobs - in fact the last 2 yrs have been sub jobs from about 2wks into school til the end. They give her sub pay - no benefits or anything. She has an ed degree & was working on her master's.

THEN I look @ my sil who's never been a teacher - but is in the right place @ the right time - been subbing for a while @ her kids school (SMALL city of about 5,000 folks) & she's walked into an interim teaching job - starts teaching from day1 & will teach all year for a preg teach that won't be back. (SIL has a temporary certificate - she has a degree in interior design).

It's just so frustrating to know I may not get a job regardless - of course that's the same as anyone coming out of college - but teachers used to be a safe bet in getting a job somewhere - ya know?

The other hiccup here - which IDK if is the same everywhere or not - if you changes counties you lose your time towards tenure. (I thought it'd be as long as you were in same state - not county) so even though I'd be willing to take a year or so in an inner city school -they are in another county & I'd be shooting myself in the foot (not really since its still experience - but still...)

Being at the right place at the right times does help sometimes. My DD did her practicum (SpEd Major) in a district not too far from our house. She HATED the placement. This was a semester long program/placement. She was in the classroom 4 days a week at went to a university class 1 day a week. Her professor from the university was a real pain. The projects that were assigned through the university were very difficult for DD to do based on the way that the classroom she was assigned to was structured. We kept trying to cheer her up and tell her that there's a reason for everything.

The following semester she did her student teaching and then graduated in Dec. Before she graduated, she had a call from one of the districts that she student taught in. They were looking for a long term sub. She went and interviewed the week after graduation and was hired on the spot. All because her co-op teacher from another school in the district knows the principal that was looking for the sub.

Before that position ended, she got a call from the SpEd director at the school that she did her practicum. She was looking for a long term sub until the end of the year. Again, they hired DD on the spot. That job lasted until June.

DD applied at close to 200 district in the surrounding Chicago area. She had several interviews and was hired last May for a position that she started this week. The principal said that he chose to interview her because of the school that she graduated from as well as because although she was a "first year teacher", she had 1 semester of long term subbing under her belt. At a meeting DD was at this week for new hires, the Super told them that they had 27 openings in the district (teachers, nurses, social work, psyc...) and had over 5,000 applications!

The district that she's working at pays tuition for a Masters program. They also give raises for every 3 credit hours earned (most other districts here are at 10 credit hours).

Here, your tenure is with the district not the county or state. If you leave a district, the new district may give you some credit but it's generally not more than 5 years on the pay scale. The pension is through the state so you don't loose that if you go from district to district.

I wish you the best!
 
its so frustrating to think that there won't be a job out there. And yes I should have kept from going into debt - since I likely won't have a job to pay back the loan. And to read even the large cities are having the same issues - that's whats scary to me! :eek: I kinda expect us to be hard hit in a small town but not in an area like chicago.
 
That's how it is around here. you have to get your Master's within a certain amount of years but districts prefer to hire someone with their Bachelor's and pay them the lower salary until they get their Master's.
 
Like everything else I guess it's regional. I know a couple of teachers who have gotten jobs in the last year or two in really hard areas like art or elementary ed.

I have a degree in math, an MBA and zero teaching experience - unless you count some corporate training. I could get a job in about 5 minutes in Arkansas for sure maybe Louisiana too. Maybe not my first choice in schools. Not sure if the MBA would count as a master's unless I ultimately wanted to do administrative work.

I've had three excellent private schools approach me - even offered part-time I that's what I wanted. But having the math, physics, and chemistry concentrations and degrees from two very respected schools helps.

But I think I'd be out of luck if I were looking in many areas of the country.
 
Ok, I am just going to ask this. I hesitated because this is a public board where people can just say whatever they want as experts on the subject, but here is it:

How do you KNOW that people aren't getting jobs because of their MAs? How do you KNOW that the preference is to hire BAs right out of college so they can pay them less.

Yes, I have read of early retirement offerings, but for new hires, in my dealings with hiring new teachers, the fact that one costs less to hire does not come into the equation. What DOES come up is that principals are supposed to have a balance.....some on the high end, some in the middle, and some on the low end. Schools are typically budgeted for a balance.

My point is that unless you have been told strait out that you are not being hired because you cost more, how do you KNOW that is actually the reason?

Dawn
 


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