Standard Rate for Renting Points... and commercial/professional renters...

[booger73]

Not to keep digging up an old thread.. but.. isn't this, obviously 'commercial' ? for profit? (i mean.. ebay, come on.. isn't that obviously 'commercial' ?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Boardwal...07QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3257QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

5 days, 4/8-4/13 is 19*5 = 95 pts. Price for 2118 = ~>20/point

Not only that, but 2 available.. and also other dates 4/6, 4/20, 4/22, 3/21, 3/25 ?

Again, tying up a boardwalk view studio(*2) for even other BWV owners?
Doesn't bug me because there's no way my family can go during Easter (school age kids).. but how many people would that "disturb" because they wanted BV, BWV"..

Not that the person has any biters on it.. but how many other people are "disturbed" that someone could be making $, and "you" aren't..

 

[kimberh]

Not to keep digging up an old thread.. but.. isn't this, obviously 'commercial' ? for profit? (i mean.. ebay, come on.. isn't that obviously 'commercial' ?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Boardwal...07QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3257QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

5 days, 4/8-4/13 is 19*5 = 95 pts. Price for 2118 = ~>20/point

Not only that, but 2 available.. and also other dates 4/6, 4/20, 4/22, 3/21, 3/25 ?

Again, tying up a boardwalk view studio(*2) for even other BWV owners?
Doesn't bug me because there's no way my family can go during Easter (school age kids).. but how many people would that "disturb" because they wanted BV, BWV"..

Not that the person has any biters on it.. but how many other people are "disturbed" that someone could be making $, and "you" aren't..

That ebay seller has some at VWL and Beach Club during the same time frame. I wonder if he or she will rent them at that high price?

 

[kdzgon]

Not to keep digging up an old thread.. but.. isn't this, obviously 'commercial' ? for profit? (i mean.. ebay, come on.. isn't that obviously 'commercial' ?)

...

I'm not sure I'd assume ebay is any more or less "commercial" than posting on the disboards (or "other DVC rental boards"), especially if the owner/renter is not a "regular" here, familiar with the existence of the rental board. And, while this particular owner appears to rent on a regular basis, I would note there are a number of "regulars" here that do the same, for varied reasons.

(I am not saying the ebayer is/is not renting for profit, just saying the use of ebay to do so is not an automatic "obviously 'commercial'")

 

[greenban]

I'm not sure I'd assume ebay is any more or less "commercial" than posting on the disboards (or "other DVC rental boards"), especially if the owner/renter is not a "regular" here, familiar with the existence of the rental board. And, while this particular owner appears to rent on a regular basis, I would note there are a number of "regulars" here that do the same, for varied reasons.

(I am not saying the ebayer is/is not renting for profit, just saying the use of ebay to do so is not an automatic "obviously 'commercial'")

However, IMHO, Disney would consider this a pattern of commercial activity. It involves more than one listing, thus a pattern, and it is for money, thus commercial.

However I agree with the kdzgon, that regular users of the Rent/Trade Sub, such as myself, also would fit into this description.

-Tony

 

[Slakk]

Hypothetical question about renting. Since the Concierge level rooms at AKV will be hard to come by do you think Disney will come down hard on people for renting points at peak times (like Christmas) knowing those reservations will be premium?

Just curious...

 

[greenban]

Hypothetical question about renting. Since the Concierge level rooms at AKV will be hard to come by do you think Disney will come down hard on people for renting points at peak times (like Christmas) knowing those reservations will be premium?

Just curious...

I think anyone renting at AKV (before the new building is complete) risks getting squashed down flat to a couple of microns!

JMHO!

-Tony

 

[Dean]

Hypothetical question about renting. Since the Concierge level rooms at AKV will be hard to come by do you think Disney will come down hard on people for renting points at peak times (like Christmas) knowing those reservations will be premium?

Just curious...

No, not a bit. Renting is expressly allowed.

 

[kdzgon]

No, not a bit. Renting is expressly allowed.

I'm with Dean on this one. I don't expect to see any exclusions/special restrictions on AKV bookings this yr re: rentals.

 

[RobDoc]

As already stated by Dean and others, renting is expressly allowed and the rental of ANY reservation alone should not trigger a red flag for DVC regardless of the dates or resort.

What could trigger a concern by DVC is a "pattern of rental activity that the Board in it's reasonable discretion could conclude constitutes a commercial enterprise or practice." This is a concept that has been widely discussed and debated on these boards and, IMO, widely misunderstood by many.

Renting a single reservation for a popular time or resort has never been the problem and AKV isn't likely to be any different.

 

[rinkwide]

"...reasonable..."

That one happens to be my favorite word in the entire POS.

 

[jdsmom97]

I am a renter and agree.. $12 per point still alows renters a great discount as a room may only be $140 per night and no taxes! I recently rented for almost 13 per point and I still feel like we got a deal. We can't afford to buy, but can afford a great resort each year thanks to DVC owners.

 

[Dean]

That one happens to be my favorite word in the entire POS.

LOL and also falls into Doc's statement above about most misunderstood.

 

[kdzgon]

I think anyone renting at AKV (before the new building is complete) risks getting squashed down flat to a couple of microns!

JMHO!

-Tony

Just saw first(?) advertisement for the rental of AKV points &/or reservation(s)...check out the rental board here on DIS....

 

[kdzgon]

Never mind ebay - THIS is what I would consider a commercial renter's site: http://www.dvcrequest.com/

Look at the long list of "comments" from renters...I'm amazed this site is still so active if indeed Disney is "serious" about cracking down on "commercial" rentals.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Never mind ebay - THIS is what I would consider a commercial renter's site: http://www.dvcrequest.com/

Look at the long list of "comments" from renters...I'm amazed this site is still so active if indeed Disney is "serious" about cracking down on "commercial" rentals.

Good ole Daddio right here on the DIS boards.

 

[TenThousandVolts]

"reasonable" is a very unusual choice of wording for a legal document. Rule one in contract writing is to use the most specific language possible.

 

[kdzgon]

Good ole Daddio right here on the DIS boards.

Well, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but my opinion is the same: if this is not something that Disney would qualify as "commercial", I should have nothing to worry about with my relatively paltry amount of points and/or rentals, even if I choose to rent through ebay.

 

[M&C]

I skipped to the last page, sorry if this has been addressed before. Anyway, I am considering renting or transfering points (around 42 to 64, have to check MS). Never considered this when we bought into DVC. But right now it is not enough points to do much outside of WDW, plus the 42 will expire July 07. Any advice on whether I should rent or trade and how should I go about doing it?

Thanks for your comments. I'm just a little uncomfortable with the whole thing.

M&C

 

[Deb & Bill]

I skipped to the last page, sorry if this has been addressed before. Anyway, I am considering renting or transfering points (around 42 to 64, have to check MS). Never considered this when we bought into DVC. But right now it is not enough points to do much outside of WDW, plus the 42 will expire July 07. Any advice on whether I should rent or trade and how should I go about doing it?

Thanks for your comments. I'm just a little uncomfortable with the whole thing.

M&C

Couldn't you still bank them? Depending on your total number of points, you should still be in the last banking time frame.

 

[M&C]

Couldn't you still bank them? Depending on your total number of points, you should still be in the last banking time frame.

These are 2005 points (I think) that has already been banked. They expire end of July 2007, right? I thought if you banked this year's points, you have to use them next year. Please tell me if I'm wrong. I'd rather use them after July 2007.

Thanks!

M&C