Sorry, I just need to rant! (not for the faint hearted!)

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

So sorry, I just have to vent, enough is enough. If you are a guardian reader or soft liberal lefty, please don't read any further, you won't like it.

What the bloody hell is going on in British Society??

Have we now descended into such a pathetic shadow of what made us proud to be British, the values for which we stood for and were proud to be recognised for?

Have we let the scum of the earth take over our beautiful country and deficate all over it?

In the past few years and especially in the past few months, we have seen our "society" littered with street killings with knifes, gun crime go through the roof, the casual acceptance of drug use, whilst our politicians of all parties sit there and whine that "we can't do anything about it, because of human rights and Youth rights"
We now have a country which the rights of the criminal are worth more than the honest hard working decent people of our land.

We have had in the last few weeks, a man killed by drunken youths who were smashing up a vehicle outside his house, we have had numerous people attacked by knife weilding thugs, one man attacked and killed at traffic lights because some yob threw a choclate bar into his car and he had the audacity to remonstare with him. We now have the killing of an 11 year old by a little scrote who the Police beleive is around 13-14 years of age. WHAT SORT OF PARENTS does this piece of **** have?
Now I read about an old 15 year old dog who was held down by youths and had battery acid poured onto his back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6962543.stm
Another knife attack by thugs stealing a car
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6962201.stm
How much more for GODS sake do we have to stomach beofre our leaders actually get off their bums and lead?
When does OUR Human rights come into play?

Its time that:-
Parents were held responsible for their little pieces of crap, they brought them into the world and its time they took responsability for the way they have turned out.

Stop and search was brought back, stuff the criminals "rights" I want to have safe streets again

Anyone whatever age they are, carrying a knife in public gets 10 years

that pubs, clubs and off licences who serve alcohol to minors get shut down and the licensee stuck into prison plus any moron who buys them the drink over 18

That for dealing drugs, killing a person or carrying an unlicensed gun in public, any peadophile who has sex with a child, that person gets the Death penalty (Something we gave away totally when we signed up to the Human rights Act)

that the Police get and use the power to have curfews on any children out at night under the age of 18

That the Truant officer is brought back and the persistant offenders get sent to borstal, not just sent back to another normal school.

That corporal punishment be reintroduced into schools, along with school uniforms.

that the Human rights act be recinded

that prison time is actual time given, not 50% and that the prisons become

Yes, I am sure many people will scream about the poor ciminals "rights" these are the same people who have allowed this country to become a cess pool, where you cannot feel safe to walk the streets at night (or even during the day) where you are scared for your child every time they go out the door, where trusting dogs and cats are shot, knifed and have battery acid poured over them "for fun", where you are frightened to challenge the yobs vandalising your area for fear of being knifed.

Enough is enough

Rant over.

 

[Beth__WDW23/6/02]

I completely agree.
Our daughter has just been allowed to play out well has been now for a few weeks.
She is 7 years old,we dont live in a bad area,she has made numerous friends.
But the past week or so I have had to go out and rescue her from hoards of bullying 10year plus girls and boys,who have called her every name under the sun,they know language not EVEN I KNOW.
They have made her concious of her weight,of how she looks,and how old she is! they have threatened to hurt her.

What did I get as a reply back from one of the parents?
"get a life!"

Marvellous isnt it! her children can call my daughter whatever they like,push her off her bike,break her 100pound bike and scooter by breaking the brakes,chain,and wheels off her scooter.
They can pull her hair,push her,kick or punch her and get away with it.
And it's just not our daughter either.
Im sick to the back teeth,nothing can be done. It seems ONE HOUSE on the whole road has to let it all go to pot,and let there children run round like utter nutters.

So this society is down the pan.
People used to comment to us for going to florida and how high gun crime was etc over there,they must be kidding cause what it seems now its an everyday occurance in this country and what scares me is the amount of gun wielding children there are!

I can go on but I am in utter agreement,and wish something would be done.

 

[BRobson]

I completely agree.
Our daughter has just been allowed to play out well has been now for a few weeks.
She is 7 years old,we dont live in a bad area,she has made numerous friends.
But the past week or so I have had to go out and rescue her from hoards of bullying 10year plus girls and boys,who have called her every name under the sun,they know language not EVEN I KNOW.
They have made her concious of her weight,of how she looks,and how old she is! they have threatened to hurt her.

What did I get as a reply back from one of the parents?
"get a life!"

Marvellous isnt it! her children can call my daughter whatever they like,push her off her bike,break her 100pound bike and scooter by breaking the brakes,chain,and wheels off her scooter.
They can pull her hair,push her,kick or punch her and get away with it.
And it's just not our daughter either.
Im sick to the back teeth,nothing can be done. It seems ONE HOUSE on the whole road has to let it all go to pot,and let there children run round like utter nutters.

So this society is down the pan.
People used to comment to us for going to florida and how high gun crime was etc over there,they must be kidding cause what it seems now its an everyday occurance in this country and what scares me is the amount of gun wielding children there are!

I can go on but I am in utter agreement,and wish something would be done.

I cant believe your post - it is almost a mirror image of what is going on in my street. My DD is 7 . Both her and another girl on the street have both been mentally tortured by another girl whose parents are renting a house on our street. It has got so bad I have lost 1/2 stone and feel threatened to leave the house as I have had verbal abuse. My DS who is 5 has picked up every swear word going!! What do we do


Obi - I feel the same. Hearing the news yesterday it all seemed to be youth crimes and it makes me scared to be bringing up children in this day in age. I cant understand why any parent doesn't want the best for their kids and makes sure they get it.

I am at a loss

 

[Beth__WDW23/6/02]

Jackie Im sooo sorry you are going through this too.
We have only lived here 3months and I have had enough to a point I got half way through painting my DD's bedroom today and I just broke down.
I give as good as they give but then you have to stoop down to there level.

I dont know what to do,Im sorry its making you ill,Ive had awful palpatations the past few days I get soo worked up,and annoyed then angry.

I dont want to bring our DD in and not allow her to play out (cause what upbringing is that?)
She was heartbroken today as one of them tried to snatch the rabbit from her arms.

I dont know what to say other than Im sorry your going through the same situation and its heartbreaking

 

[cazzie]

So sorry, I just have to vent, enough is enough. If you are a guardian reader or soft liberal lefty, please don't read any further, you won't like it.

What the bloody hell is going on in British Society??

Have we now descended into such a pathetic shadow of what made us proud to be British, the values for which we stood for and were proud to be recognised for?

Have we let the scum of the earth take over our beautiful country and deficate all over it?

In the past few years and especially in the past few months, we have seen our "society" littered with street killings with knifes, gun crime go through the roof, the casual acceptance of drug use, whilst our politicians of all parties sit there and whine that "we can't do anything about it, because of human rights and Youth rights"
We now have a country which the rights of the criminal are worth more than the honest hard working decent people of our land.

We have had in the last few weeks, a man killed by drunken youths who were smashing up a vehicle outside his house, we have had numerous people attacked by knife weilding thugs, one man attacked and killed at traffic lights because some yob threw a choclate bar into his car and he had the audacity to remonstare with him. We now have the killing of an 11 year old by a little scrote who the Police beleive is around 13-14 years of age. WHAT SORT OF PARENTS does this piece of **** have?
Now I read about an old 15 year old dog who was held down by youths and had battery acid poured onto his back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6962543.stm
Another knife attack by thugs stealing a car
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/6962201.stm
How much more for GODS sake do we have to stomach beofre our leaders actually get off their bums and lead?
When does OUR Human rights come into play?

Its time that:-
Parents were held responsible for their little pieces of crap, they brought them into the world and its time they took responsability for the way they have turned out.

Stop and search was brought back, stuff the criminals "rights" I want to have safe streets again

Anyone whatever age they are, carrying a knife in public gets 10 years

that pubs, clubs and off licences who serve alcohol to minors get shut down and the licensee stuck into prison plus any moron who buys them the drink over 18

That for dealing drugs, killing a person or carrying an unlicensed gun in public, any peadophile who has sex with a child, that person gets the Death penalty (Something we gave away totally when we signed up to the Human rights Act)

that the Police get and use the power to have curfews on any children out at night under the age of 18

That the Truant officer is brought back and the persistant offenders get sent to borstal, not just sent back to another normal school.

That corporal punishment be reintroduced into schools, along with school uniforms.

that the Human rights act be recinded

that prison time is actual time given, not 50% and that the prisons become

Yes, I am sure many people will scream about the poor ciminals "rights" these are the same people who have allowed this country to become a cess pool, where you cannot feel safe to walk the streets at night (or even during the day) where you are scared for your child every time they go out the door, where trusting dogs and cats are shot, knifed and have battery acid poured over them "for fun", where you are frightened to challenge the yobs vandalising your area for fear of being knifed.

Enough is enough

Rant over.

I 100% agree with everything you have said. I couldn't believe it a couple of months ago when I read in our local paper they were stopping the buses running early because of the drivers being attacked, why in heavens name are they not stopping the kids who are attacking the drivers!! It is so scary what is happening nowadays. I know I am of the older generation, and I grew up in a society where children HAD to respect their elders, but if something isn't done soon then I fear for this country in a few years.

 

[wideeyes]

I would agree with most of what you say, the behaviour of some youths is shocking and some parents don't care at all, I get the train at the same time as high school kids and some of the behaviour scares me.

However I disagree with the truant comment as not all kids truant to cause trouble, some are seriously unhappy at school and need help not punishment, it something that needs to be looked at case by case.

 

[cazzie]

However I disagree with the truant comment as not all kids truant to cause trouble, some are seriously unhappy at school and need help not punishment, it something that needs to be looked at case by case.

The problem is that who knows what they are up to when they are not at school. I am not saying that they don't need help but somewhere along the road you have to have some sort of structure and that includes discipline. The Truant Officer used to be a deterrent, just as corporal punishment was.
We have taken away all deterents and so now we have a situation where kids are becoming murderers, and whats to stop them - nothing. What is it going to take for MP's, Police and Parents to realise that something has to be done sooner rather than later. I just pray that for the sake of this poor little boy who was shot that people will demand that something is done to stop this violence and complete disrespect for life.

 

[wideeyes]

The problem is that who knows what they are up to when they are not at school. I am not saying that they don't need help but somewhere along the road you have to have some sort of structure and that includes discipline. The Truant Officer used to be a deterrent, just as corporal punishment was..

I agree with a truant officer is needed to make sure these kids are safe and they should be kept of the street. However a lot of kids truant because they are been bullied at school or maybe have problems with a particular teacher, some kids are out of school all alone not in a gang so I think it is important not to view all truants as trouble makers and that the officials should look at each case individual, maybe get a social worker or psychologist involved if needed. Obviously if kids are terrifying people on the streets, taking drugs and drinking then apporate action should be taken. I am not saying all kids are innocent.

 

[Joanne UK]

I agree with alot of what has been said.

However, I wouldn't be in agreement with the reintroduction of corporal punishment in schools. My 2 daughters are disciplined at home without being smacked and therefore I wouldn't condone them being smacked or hit at school. Both of them behave perfectly at school/nursery. Infact I was told at the last Parents Evening that my eldest daughter "sets the standard in the class with her behaviour".

Drugs are one of the biggest problems today in society. Heroin and cocaine are both imported and therefore more needs to be done to stop them getting into the country. I read an interview in the paper last week with a girl who is a member of a London gang. She currently earns £1,000 a week dealing heroin and crack cocaine. Kids nowadays want the bling and the trainers etc etc and if they can earn this sort of money selling drugs that's what alot of them are going to do. The gang culture is an integral part of that lifestyle and with that comes the guns and the knives.

 

[rpbert1]

I agree with Obi Wan, why give someone 10 years in jail, they automatically get remission of 50% plus more for good behaviour, they could be out in 3 years.
People committing crimes should get the appropiate punishment , murder [ while all crimes have to be assessed, i.e maybe women being abused for many years ,then snaps and kills her partner etc]which has been deliberate should be locked up and never be released, as in the USA. But this will never happen in this country, and the reason, it would cost the Government to much money to keep these people in prison and of the streets, so its easier to release him back into society. there is no deterrent for people who are causing all sorts of crimes, and making peoples lives miserable.
People in this country get life for murder, what does that mean, without a mandatory sentence being passed, he will get 12 years get his remission and probably be out in 5, its pathetic.
They will get the runt that killed the little boy in Croxteth, but what time will he get, you only need to look at the Bulger case , these where never going to be released , where are they now ,until the government stops worrying about the costs of keeping them in jail, people will be released back into society. I would be more than happy to pay that bit extra in taxes if the government would keep these people of the streets for good.
Paedophiles , these people should never be released, as they are a constant threat to children , for the rest of their lives

Not sure corporal punishment would make any difference, and school uniforms are compulsory here in most schools in Northern Ireland.
Police here have for years stopped and searched , and still do it,only last week i saw the police stop 3 teenagers outside our local train station, and searched them in the street and made them empty their pockets.

 

[natalielongstaff]

two words Human rights !!!!!!!!!

way to much emphasis on the rights of the perpertrator and absoloutly NONE on the side of the victim

my answers

bring in id cards- ive got nothing to hide ( i dont think they should cost too much though )

bring back the respect for teachers etc by being able to properly punish the guilty !! prison is a soft option in my opinion and it wouldn't cost so much to keep them if they were not cosseted when they were in there

 

[saratogagirl]

Rant away Obi, I applaud you, the street where I live has been a nightmare for the last six months, about two months ago we had one nutter yelding an axe at one o clock in the morning, he did substantial damage to several cars and properties. I had the police here making enquiries last Saturday evening, wanting to know if I had witnessed a disturbance as the above boy had apparently kidnapped someone !

 

[disneyholic family]

you'll get no arguement from me Obi....
i recently saw a nice editorial rant in one of the British papers, very similar to yours....
i'll see if i can remember where i read it and post it....

 

[disneyholic family]

by the way, Obi, do you feel that this is an import from the US?
The US certainly has been a lost society in this sense for many many many many years.

 

[mushumadness]

I agree

My neice is bullied inside the classroom stabbed with pencil etc, the teacher does nothing, one day I was picking her up and a girl was telling her mum how she had beat my neice up and her mum ws saying how good it was!! well she got a piece of my mind (and yes I can be quiet scary at 6ft I tower alot of women, and maybe I shouldnt have taken a piece out of her but encouraging a child to beat another is wrong)

I posted a month ago about the rape in my village which was carried out by a 13 yr old boy!!

well now we have had two old people held hostage in their own home by two teenagers so they could ransack the house

Theres just no punishment these days at all, I am all for the death penalty some of the scum we have in wakefield prison (we have all the bad ones ) live a better life than alot of the people outside of the walls.

And the police need to be able to actually stop people when doing crimes not just say stop.

sorry but this morning just tops it off, I have just seen someone at the local store who murdered one of the girls I knew at school (who was a couple of years younger) out and about after just seven years and seven years when your 15 at trial date isnt long. if you only get seven years for murder wheres the deterent?

 

[emily1982]

Do you know i was just thinking about this yesterday?? All of it seems to have come to light over the past month or so. Personally i think it's a mix of parents responsibility (or lack of it), peer pressure and the social mix of the world today.
I agree schools need to do something, but if that needs to happen where is the money going to come from the police which we need?? the ambulances that are streched to the limits?? NHS, which i don't even need to explain?? I think this government needs to start getting the punishment right for the crime first and start being alot tougher.

 

[T16GEM]

Obi - I aggree with much of what you have said, I don't think that things will improve though, sadly it's just something that we have got to get used to.

When I was young I was never allowed to play out in the street, and to be honest I am glad that my parents took that stance, I mean we are talking 20 years ago and things weren't exactly all rosy in the garden then either, it never hurt me and I still had a lot of friends etc. And to be honest I don't thinkI will be letting my kids play out when the time comes, but come to think of it they are the only kids in our street!

Some of you may know that I worked for a big building contractor before getting our shop and they built a Prison Hospital which I did the buying for, the facilities there were great, every recory room (cell) had a tv and they could roam more or less where they wanted. I know it was a hospital but what's the deterrant if you can get a cushy life inside why bother trying to be a good person in the real world?

 

[dlpSteve]

I agree wth pretty much all of what Obi said - I especially agree with bringing back corporal punishment in schools. Those who have good kids have nothing to worry about. The bad kids need to be punished and our society is a living cess-pit of proof that the nice approach has failed miserably. When I was at school we respected the teachers and when we were naughty we expected to be punished, properly, not just a 'counselling' session which does nothing. Teachers need to be given control back of the schools they work in and kids need to know their place within that school which is to learn, have fun with their friends at break times and NOT treat the place like some kind of battleground for gang warfare and intimidation.

On the streets the police need to be given their authority back and should be able to aprehend any suspect without fear of accusations of prejudice. In the courts there needs to be zero tolerance and people need to see that if you do wrong you get punished, severely.

Our government needs to stop wasting money and lives foolishly following the warmongering personal vendettas of the supposed 'leader of the free world' and concentrate resources on our own country, which is fast turning into a frightening place to live.

 

[Beth__WDW23/6/02]

My mum works in a rehabilitation home for ex convicts/convicts ....etc and so on.Shall I give you the low down on what they have :-

A swimming pool
Gym room
Cinema (t.v room)
Open grounds (to sit outside etc)
They have private rooms with T.v,video etc
They have a games room
They get a pass (with a worker) to leave the home once a week to go shopping.
All food/bills paid for.

And to top it off they get around £100-150 a week for what excatly? seeing as they have everything they quite possibly need.

My mums only worked there a couple of months,they have convicts/ex ones etc.She is shocked at how they live not so much the ex one's as they seem to have corrected themselves but the young offenders it is that secure every door has to be locked straight afterwards.
Many threaten the staff.

 

[Lizzybear]

Sometimes it makes me contemplate whether or not I want to have children. I mean I do with all my heart but the state of the world i'd be bringing them into scares me Rhys Jones was killed less than a mile from me, I plan to go to the site tomorrow to leave a sympathy card. I just can't understand what on earth an 11 year old boy could have done to deserve this.
One of mine and bf's friends was beaten to death with a piece of wood recently. Why? For his bike. The perpertrators? A group of teenagers all under 18. He was only 21 and now his life is over. My blood boils because I bet the perps will get the 'softly softly' approach, probably some rehabilitation, his family and friends have to live with his death for the rest of their lives. Even if he hadn't died (he was in a coma first) he would have been permanently brain damaged.
An ex-employee at my boyfriend's old work murdered 2 people in hit and run incidents (the second time he was disqualified from driving) and he's walking free, probably on benefits (he ended up leaving work due to psychological trauma, hmm!) I think he did maybe 5 years tops in prison.
Also, without getting *too* political here: I may not identify myself as conservative but i'm certainly not in favour of the current climate of the victims' rights being all but ignored.