So Disappointed...

[Erineliza38]

So- for three days I've been in conversation with my guide about a 75 point add on at VGF. The issue is my UY is Feb. i was hoping they would allow a different UY so I could get 2013 points and borrow 2014 points for our upcoming trip in Dec. I guess the "powers at be" finally decided they would not allow another UY because I was only adding on 75 points. That is over $10,000 dollars- not a small purchase. So no VGF for me. I just can't hand over $10,000 and not use the benefits of that money until June 2015. Very sad day......

 

[ELMC]

So- for three days I've been in conversation with my guide about a 75 point add on at VGF. The issue is my UY is Feb. i was hoping they would allow a different UY so I could get 2013 points and borrow 2014 points for our upcoming trip in Dec. I guess the "powers at be" finally decided they would not allow another UY because I was only adding on 75 points. That is over $10,000 dollars- not a small purchase. So no VGF for me. I just can't hand over $10,000 and not use the benefits of that money until June 2015. Very sad day......

This is very surprising. It is not like DVD to turn down a sale. What was their response when you told them it was another UY or you were going to walk? Sorry for your disappointment.

 

[nunzia]

I'm a little confused. Isn't it considered a new contract..not an add on..if you buy another use year since that means you would have two memberships with different numbers, etc? And if that is the case, and they are only allowing add ons, not new purchasers right now, could that be the reason? Would you be able to wait until sales are open to general public to buy a different use year?

 

[disneynutz]

So- for three days I've been in conversation with my guide about a 75 point add on at VGF. The issue is my UY is Feb. i was hoping they would allow a different UY so I could get 2013 points and borrow 2014 points for our upcoming trip in Dec. I guess the "powers at be" finally decided they would not allow another UY because I was only adding on 75 points. That is over $10,000 dollars- not a small purchase. So no VGF for me. I just can't hand over $10,000 and not use the benefits of that money until June 2015. Very sad day......

Are you sure that you understood correctly? Feb and March UY's can't get points until 2014 all others can get points for 2013. My guess it has to do with the date of a legal filing, the resort didn't exist until April so April is the first UY to receive points.

I would check again.

Bill

 

[Erineliza38]

Are you sure that you understood correctly? Feb and March UY's can't get points until 2014 all others can get points for 2013. My guess it has to do with the date of a legal filing, the resort didn't exist until April so April is the first UY to receive points.

I would check again.

Bill

My guide and I discussed it for three days. I was ready to buy Tuesday afternoon. I wanted an April UY since that is the closest to my master contract Feb UY. They will not give me an add on with a different UY or give me another "master" contract because I was told 75 points was too small a number. I was shocked too- in all honesty, I didn't realize this would be such a big deal.
I know it is just "the luck of the draw" based on their filing dates, what UY get points and which ones don't. But to only have two of the 10 available UY not get 2013 points seems a bit disjointed.
I was a bit frustrated with my guide- as he really was not very patient or understanding of my position; and just told me to call him one day if I change my mind.
Personally, I think losing a $10,000 sale is a big deal- but maybe they are thinking VGF will sell out with little issues?

 

[Erineliza38]

I'm a little confused. Isn't it considered a new contract..not an add on..if you buy another use year since that means you would have two memberships with different numbers, etc? And if that is the case, and they are only allowing add ons, not new purchasers right now, could that be the reason? Would you be able to wait until sales are open to general public to buy a different use year?

I was told it was an add on anytime you purchase direct through Disney, because they keep your same UY. Resales may result in a "new" contract if your buying a contract with a different UY than your original purchase.
(If I understand correctly)

 

[Erineliza38]

This is very surprising. It is not like DVD to turn down a sale. What was their response when you told them it was another UY or you were going to walk? Sorry for your disappointment.

Honestly, I was a bit surprised. I don't think asking for anther UY to get 2013 points is unreasonable. When I said I was no longer interested my guide just said to call him one day if I change my mind. Not very sympathetic or, honestly, all that interested. Tried to sell me 100 points and acted like my smaller 75 point add on was a "hassle".

 

[NoleFan]

Sounds like it might be time for a new guide? Do you think you would have any luck if you asked to speak to a manager about the UY issue?

 

[ELMC]

Honestly, I was a bit surprised. I don't think asking for anther UY to get 2013 points is unreasonable. When I said I was no longer interested my guide just said to call him one day if I change my mind. Not very sympathetic or, honestly, all that interested. Tried to sell me 100 points and acted like my smaller 75 point add on was a "hassle".

Well I definitely think they are trying to sell larger contracts. But given the price per point, I think they are going to find a lot of people interested in 50 or 75 points. I will say that this is one unexpected advantage to having multiple use years, though.

 

[disneynutz]

I was told it was an add on anytime you purchase direct through Disney, because they keep your same UY. Resales may result in a "new" contract if your buying a contract with a different UY than your original purchase.
(If I understand correctly)

A new UY is a new member account and ID. They aren't selling new account points yet. When they do, I doubt if you will meet the minimums with 75 points.

You have 2 choices, buy 25 more points for $3625, you will probably use them, or go with your Feb UY and lose out on $825 worth of 2013 points.

Bill

 

[wdrl]

I am not surprised that DVD is restricting VGF 2013 points to UYs starting with April. April is six months before the opening of VGF in October 2013. When BLT opened in August 2009, DVD offered points beginning with the February 2009 Use Year which, coincidentally or not, was six months before the opening of the resort.

DVD sold September, October, and December UYs for BLT as early as October 2008, but these UYs did not receive 2008 points. These UYs did not receive points until their respective months began in 2009.

There could be a very good reason DVD is limiting points to certain Use Year months during the initial start up period: VGF may not have enough Use Days in the initial year to accommodate all the points if a full complement of Use Years is in play. VGF won't open until October 23, 2013, which means that a VGF owner with a February UY would have only 101 days to use their points. Sure, February UY owners would bank their 2013 points into the 2014 UY, but that could put a crush on usage in 2014.



When I first joined DVC in 2009, the minimum buy-in requirement for a new member was 160 points. Existing members could add to their existing DVC master contract with as few as 25 points. If the member wanted to have a different Use Year or different title on a deed, the member had to meet the minimum buy-in requirement for new members.

Over the years, the minimum buy-in requirement has fluctuated. In the 1990s OKW owners had to buy as many as 230 points, and I think its been as low as 50 points. I don't know what DVD is setting as the minimum point requirement for a new master contract at VGF, but it would not surprise me if it sets a higher minimum for new master contracts at VGF than another resort, such as OKW or Vero Beach.

By the way, April 1, 2013, was merely the date that the VGF Master Declaration was recorded by the Orange County Comptroller. I don't think it is a material as to when DVD could start selling points. The State of Florida granted a timeshare license to VGF on January 30, 2013, and the Master Declaration was actually committed by Disney on February 1, 2013. Either of those two dates are probably more controlling in determining how far back in time DVD can sell points for this resort than the recordation date.

 

[drusba]

Traditional rules were and I assume still are:

1. DVD cannot sell interests in a timeshare in Florida that begin before the the official declarations are filed designating it as a timeshare and setting out the required provisions to comply with Florida's timeshare laws (resort does not need to be completed for that to be done). For VGF that filing occurred on April 1 and thus DVD cannot sell points that begin before April 1, 2013. It can sell 2013 points if you have an April or after use year. It can sell February or March use year points only if the points begin next year.

2. DVD has had a long standing policy that it will sell as add-ons to existing members only contracts that are in the same use year that the member already has. Thus, if you already have a Feb use year, that is only one it will sell to you for add-on with the result that you cannot get points that begin before Feb 2014. That policy has also always had one exception. You can buy from Disney a second use year as long as you purchase the minimum number of points that a new purchaser would have to buy. What that is for VGF has not been announced yet.

Disney could waive if it wanted the policy in point 2 above and sell you a second use year even if you are buying under the minimum a new purchaser would be required to buy, but it cannot waive or make an exception to the rule in point 1.

 

[lodge]

A new UY is a new member account and ID. They aren't selling new account points yet. When they do, I doubt if you will meet the minimums with 75 points.

You have 2 choices, buy 25 more points for $3625, you will probably use them, or go with your Feb UY and lose out on $825 worth of 2013 points.

Bill

I think you may be onto something... they can't sell to new members until June and a new contract (new UY) could be the reason for this discrepancy.

 

[Dean]

So- for three days I've been in conversation with my guide about a 75 point add on at VGF. The issue is my UY is Feb. i was hoping they would allow a different UY so I could get 2013 points and borrow 2014 points for our upcoming trip in Dec. I guess the "powers at be" finally decided they would not allow another UY because I was only adding on 75 points. That is over $10,000 dollars- not a small purchase. So no VGF for me. I just can't hand over $10,000 and not use the benefits of that money until June 2015. Very sad day......

Have they ever allowed contracts smaller than the officially sanctioned size's. I know they've reduced the buy in size to as few as 50 for some resorts and I am aware of a couple of exceptions years ago but not in some time. I'm not surprised. I'd just buy the Feb and make do for the upcoming trip. What did they tell you the minimum they'd allow was?

 

[DizGirl20]

This is a very interesting thread and I sincerely thank everyone for taking the time to provide in-depth explanations of the process. We have 2 UYs Feb and October. I decided to link our VGF add-on to our Feb account so we wouldn't have to pay dues until next year! I never really gave thought to the fact that we were losing out on a year of points until now but it's a done deal! I am just happy to be a VGF owner...

 

[DizGirl20]

Oh and I was told min buy in was 25 points for existing members...

 

[nunzia]

I was told it was an add on anytime you purchase direct through Disney, because they keep your same UY. Resales may result in a "new" contract if your buying a contract with a different UY than your original purchase.
(If I understand correctly)

Right...but if you buy thorugh Disney with a differnt USE YEAR then it's a new membership..I think? I had asked my guide about a different use year for VGC when the waitlist was so long and he recommended against it since I would then have two different memberships.

 

[wdrl]

Oh and I was told min buy in was 25 points for existing members...

The 25-point minimum requirement has been fairly standard for members adding on to an existing master contract.

The real question is what is the minimum point requirement for someone who needs to establish a new master contract at VGF. Anyone who is a brand new member will need to establish a new master contract. Also, any existing member who wants a different Use Year or who wants to title their deed differently than their existing deed(s) will need to establish a new master contract.

 

[AmyB2006]

Oh and I was told min buy in was 25 points for existing members...

My guide told me the same. At least that's consistent.