So are the new smoking bans going to affect the campsites?

[lisa8200]

Soap box,,,,,Soap box,, where did I put that,,,oh here it is,lol Just kidding, I will try to make it short and painless. I smoke but, if I'm, at the Disney parks I only smoke in the designated area's, I don't smoke at the pool or right outside restaurants or anywhere else that while I may be allowed to, people around me are not free to avoid me because of being in line, waiting for someplace to open, window shopping etc. I myself feel that telling me I can't smoke on my site is excessive.If you are THAT sensitive to smoke you should probably not camp anyway, Grills, Campfires, and not to mention the smoke that is hanging over florida as far south as Orlando from the wildfires should make your life unbearable.I will continue to follow the rules that are put in place with little or no complaints but,I wish non-smokers would allow me to have some rights to.Restrictions on smoking are fair and I am all for them, but rules need to be reasonable. I hope that I don't manage to get this thread closed, I just wanted to voice my opinion on this.
P.S. We just got back from the fort today and no one told us smoking was not permitted at our site, hhhmmm kind of hard to fine us if you don't tell us or put it in the literature. .

 

[Donna]

In a perfect world smoking would be deemed illegal.

I can't imagine a more perfect world than that!

However, i do want to take a second and thank the smokers that really DO follow the rules of smoking in designated areas. As much as i detest the habit, when i see them in their area i think its great that they took the time to find the area and to smoke there. They can't help it that disney put them in strange places. There are still some people who either don't realize (or don't care) they're not allowed to smoke while walking around, in line, etc. But the vast majority now do go to their area to smoke and i think that is very considerate of them. Smokers are bashed alot but i just want to give some credit where credit is due for following the rules that disney tries to enforce for the benefit of their non smoking guests.

I don't see it happening at the camp sites either, but never say never. I remember a few months ago there was a thread about banning smoking at resorts and alot of people were saying it will never happen...dream on they said. While it remains to be seen if it will be enforced, at least disney has put something in writing. I guess we'll see it here on DIS first!

 

[auntie]

Soap box,,,,,Soap box,, where did I put that,,,oh here it is,lol Just kidding, I will try to make it short and painless. I smoke but, if I'm, at the Disney parks I only smoke in the designated area's, I don't smoke at the pool or right outside restaurants or anywhere else that while I may be allowed to, people around me are not free to avoid me because of being in line, waiting for someplace to open, window shopping etc. I myself feel that telling me I can't smoke on my site is excessive.If you are THAT sensitive to smoke you should probably not camp anyway, Grills, Campfires, and not to mention the smoke that is hanging over florida as far south as Orlando from the wildfires should make your life unbearable.I will continue to follow the rules that are put in place with little or no complaints but,I wish non-smokers would allow me to have some rights to.Restrictions on smoking are fair and I am all for them, but rules need to be reasonable. I hope that I don't manage to get this thread closed, I just wanted to voice my opinion on this.
P.S. We just got back from the fort today and no one told us smoking was not permitted at our site, hhhmmm kind of hard to fine us if you don't tell us or put it in the literature. .

I agree with your sentiments...and I don't smoke. I think not smoking on a camp site would be excessive. Everyone has rights..even smokers. In my experience most smokers on the whole are sensitive to those of us who don't. Kind of reminds me of the threads where folks dislike the pet loops...mostly because of the few pet owners who don't pick up after their pets..and give the rest of the us pet owners a bad name.

I guess we will all find out soon enough.

 

[proudmomof4]

My problem is that smoke in gereral bothers me. Even the oh so important for many campfire bothers me. I have had to go inside the RV and turn on the a/c to enjoy my campsite when at state parks. As far as personal smoking, I have no problem requiring it to be done inside the RV or at isolated designated areas.

From all the ads I see for used RVs, it seems that most people don't even smoke in their RV and they don't have pets either. And pigs have wings.



If you are seated in an area that permits smoking and someone walks up and lighs up, I would think that they are just doing what they are allowed to do in that area and in that case it is up to you to move. If they don't find that smoking could be bad for themselves then why should they be concerned about others.

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific, we NEVER go into the designated smoking areas, when I said public area, I meant TE porch, pool, lines, outdoor seating at quick service restaurants, etc. We do get up and move because its best for us, but it really stinks when we were there first and it is a non-smoking area, but it is not worth ruining our day by arguing over it with them.

Just for the record, I have no problem at all with people smoking at their own site, I figure if I'm close enough to smell it then I must be too close to their site.

 

[davidlw]

Donna and Lisa, yall made a good statement. I agree.

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Soap box,,,,,Soap box,, where did I put that,,,oh here it is,lol Just kidding, I will try to make it short and painless. I smoke but, if I'm, at the Disney parks I only smoke in the designated area's, I don't smoke at the pool or right outside restaurants or anywhere else that while I may be allowed to, people around me are not free to avoid me because of being in line, waiting for someplace to open, window shopping etc. I myself feel that telling me I can't smoke on my site is excessive.If you are THAT sensitive to smoke you should probably not camp anyway, Grills, Campfires, and not to mention the smoke that is hanging over florida as far south as Orlando from the wildfires should make your life unbearable.I will continue to follow the rules that are put in place with little or no complaints but,I wish non-smokers would allow me to have some rights to.Restrictions on smoking are fair and I am all for them, but rules need to be reasonable. I hope that I don't manage to get this thread closed, I just wanted to voice my opinion on this.
P.S. We just got back from the fort today and no one told us smoking was not permitted at our site, hhhmmm kind of hard to fine us if you don't tell us or put it in the literature. .

You weren't notified because the ban doesn't go into effect until June 1.

 

[lisa8200]

That would explain it. I'm on here at least once a day normally and I had not heard anything about it until we got back.Also, thanks to posters that realize some of us try to keep our disgusting habit to ourselves, you guys are awesome.I would like to say that Disney will come up with a plan that will be fair for everyone in the campground.Non smokers won't have a complete smoke free campground, but smokers won't be allowed to light up in the places where the courtious smoker ( in my mind ) wouldn't smoke anyway.

 

[Donna]

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific, we NEVER go into the designated smoking areas, when I said public area, I meant TE porch, pool, lines, outdoor seating at quick service restaurants, etc. We do get up and move because its best for us, but it really stinks when we were there first and it is a non-smoking area, but it is not worth ruining our day by arguing over it with them.

Just for the record, I have no problem at all with people smoking at their own site, I figure if I'm close enough to smell it then I must be too close to their site.

While this is true, sometimes the site proximity to each other cannot be helped. some loops are tighter than others and i can see this bothering people (like me, lol). To give you an example of how easily i pick up that smell, if a car is at a red light in front of me, with windows slightly cracked, if they light up, i smell it almost immediately. If my neighbor comes outside to smoke and i am in my living room (in the summer-windows open), i smell it. Yet a campfire smoke does not bother me in the least as it wafts over, lol. It reminds me i'm camping
I wonder if the fort would go so far as to designate smoking and non smoking loops (other than for the cabins)? Well, i've only stayed in the cabins, this summer will be our first stay there in our RV so i can't make any judgments until i've tried it. Two weeks should be enough time to judge with people coming and going beside us, lol. It would have to be pretty bad for anything to ruin two weeks at the fort!

 

[YellowXterra]

Well hopefully the 250-500 dollars charged to your CC for doing so will be enough to get people to follow the set rules. I am one of those people that would have no quams about alerting a CM to somone smoking where they are not to be smoking.

Unless it is causing an immediate health problem (ie. You have severe asthma or something.) Please mind your own business. No one likes a tattle tail! If everyone ran around playing Disney cop no one (tattle tails or rule breakers) would have a very nice vacation. Yes I see rules broke everyday at Disney however its not your or my job to enforce them. For what its worth I do not smoke.

 

[Donna]

Unless it is causing an immediate health problem (ie. You have severe asthma or something.) Please mind your own business. No one likes a tattle tail! If everyone ran around playing Disney cop no one (tattle tails or rule breakers) would have a very nice vacation. Yes I see rules broke everyday at Disney however its not your or my job to enforce them. For what its worth I do not smoke.

I don't think F4disneyfan was trying to enforce them, she was just enabling the CM to do their job. I would not, nor have i ever, hesitated to let a CM know rules were being broken, regardless of what that rule was (at disney or anywhere else). Whether i have asthma or whatever doesn't have anything to do with a rule being broken. Imagine if everyone that saw a rule being broken looked the other way because it didn't apply to them. Telling a CM and telling a guest are two different things. Call it tattle tail or tattle tale, my goal isn't for anyone to like me. Sometimes it's just a matter of letting the smoker know where the non-smoking section is or make them aware!

 

[becky1960]

I have a solution, lets have smoking and non-smoking loops. Al the smokers would use loops 100,200,300. And I still don't smoke. The last two times we were at WL we had non-smoking rooms and we found Disney provided ashtrays on the balcony. We asked if was a smoking room and they stated no, but you can smoke on the balcony, so Disney does not always enforce the rules and probably never will as we saw a lot of smokers our last trip walking in the parks smoking.

 

[F4disneyfan]

I don't think F4disneyfan was trying to enforce them, she was just enabling the CM to do their job. I would not, nor have i ever, hesitated to let a CM know rules were being broken, regardless of what that rule was (at disney or anywhere else). Whether i have asthma or whatever doesn't have anything to do with a rule being broken. Imagine if everyone that saw a rule being broken looked the other way because it didn't apply to them. Telling a CM and telling a guest are two different things. Call it tattle tail or tattle tale, my goal isn't for anyone to like me. Sometimes it's just a matter of letting the smoker know where the non-smoking section is or make them aware!

Thanks for the post Donna and you are right I am not going to be running around looking for smokers etc but if I see it I will certainly let a CM know about it. It all starts with common courtesy on both sides. For the smokers smoke in teh designated areas for the non smokers if they smokers is in the right place then keep your mouth shut and move along. Mind you Donna I do have to correct one thing I am a guy not a girl LOL...

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Mind you Donna I do have to correct one thing I am a guy not a girl LOL...

Must have been your Canadian accent that threw her off.

 

[auntie]

I don't see myself reporting someone on a campsite..if the ban included them. Even if you were tempted to report a smoker on a campsite..in all likelihood the cigarette would be out by the time a castmember was able to address the situation..and then what? Isn't it sort of your word against theirs? I don't know..seems like a whole lot of bother and espionage to rat out someone smoking on their own site. I could live with smokers not lighting up in shared common areas like the pool, marina, beach or TE Porch.
Also...maybe it's me, and coming from NY...but I am not about to confront anyone who has been without their cigarettes for a bit. They just might go "postal". You NEVER know what someone is going to do with that soap box once you step off of it after confronting them. Around here that box might just as easily go where the sun doesn't shine! You also have to expect that type of confrontation isn't going to go well...they aren't going to thank you and throw the cigarettes in the trash.
Perhaps as metioned there will be smoking loops added..much the same way pet loops have been added. Avoiding controversary, and Disney keeps everyones money!

 

[Gatordad]

The worst thing you could be in my neighborhood growing up, was a rat.

 

[Colson39]

Unfortunately not everyone grew up in your neighborhood Gatordad and never learned that lesson, although sometimes I wish they had

 

[Donna]

Thanks for the post Donna and you are right I am not going to be running around looking for smokers etc but if I see it I will certainly let a CM know about it. It all starts with common courtesy on both sides. For the smokers smoke in teh designated areas for the non smokers if they smokers is in the right place then keep your mouth shut and move along. Mind you Donna I do have to correct one thing I am a guy not a girl LOL...

LOL! thanks for letting me know. i have no idea why i assumed girl, lol!

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Please mind your own business. No one likes a tattle tail!

Oh man, I just had a flashback to the playground in elementary school!

 

[auntie]

A person going without their cigarettes and then finally having one on their own site..isn't going to respond so kindly when you ask them to put it out. I'd be mighty ...apprehensive ..shall we say as to where they might decide to comply...so to speak.

I know I've vacationed with my older son(we have a travel trailer)...who used to smoke. Only outside of course. He never would smoke in front of me(mother guilt!)..or his younger brother..as he thought it set a bad example. Of course the younger guy knew he smoked..but it was just something his older brother would not do in front of him. One day..he was sooooooo irritiable...and cranky..because he hadn't had that smoke. We both finally told him..."Please go outside and have a cigarette...we won't look!" We couldn't take it anymore! It is a terrible addiction...and my son struggled MANY times before he was able to quit. It's been 6 mos. now without a cigarette.(and we haven't vacationed with him during that time!) He didn't want to cause anyone discomfort, and was always sensitive to those around him who are bothered by the odor or the effects of the smoke. I think most smokers are. I have a friend who on arrival at the Poly was upgraded to a lagoon view, and didn't take it as it wasn't a smoking room. She easily could have taken it anyway..and no one would have known she smoked on the balcony..but she wouldn't risk having someone irritated by her smoking. Honestly...I think it was a good reason right there and then for her to try and stop(Lagoon View at the Poly!..do you need a better incentive?)..but hey..it's her choice, and she's an adult. She wasn't inflicting her bad habit on anyone but herself. I'm just saying that not all smokers are thoughtless and insensitive to those around them. Most struggle with an addiction..and maybe a little bit of compassion and tolerance would go further than alienation and a bad attitude that could easily backfire if you confront the wrong person.

 

[lisa8200]

As a smoker, I wouldn't mind if some loops were specified for smoking but that has it's problems as well. Just like when you had smoking and non smoking areas in restaurants ( at least in florida all restaurants are all non smoking now ). Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool , the concept may work on paper but, the non section will always recieve a degree of "contamination" from the other side.Also, if you call to reserve a non-smoking loop and all they have are smoking loops are you going to cancel your trip, and if you decide to continue your trip, the loop may be 95% smokers as opposed to the much smaller percent with the current system.Looking at the bigger picture I think that smoke free area's around the fort and leaving the sites out of the equation would create the best environment for all.Smokers would have a place for a quick fix and non-smokers would know where to avoid if they found the smoke offensive.Hopefully Disney monitors these forums to get a feel for how we all look at things to help minimize conflicts when decisions are made.