Should Disney build a state of the art Hypercoaster????

[alicat8]

It was a very short span of our lives that we would make a detour trip from disney to universal for the thrill rides. (5 or 6 years maybe??) Maybe we're not the norm, but even in those late teen /early 20s years, we always wanted to spend more time at Disney than on the major universal thrill rides. Universal was just 1 day out of our trip, so even as a teen I never felt like Disney wasn't for me. We went to 6 flags for the thrills. Disney was for the experience and to feel like it was OK to still appreciate the "kiddie" stuff.

 

[JimmyV]

No! That type of coaster is not a 'family oriented' attraction which is what Walt was all about.

And now we purport to know what Walt was all about?
First of all, The Matterhorn was a pretty cutting edge coaster for its time.
Second, (though Walt had nothing to do with it), Mission Space has caused more "protein spills" than most hypercoasters. WDW already has a "vomit comet". It just isn't a coaster. So how does one reconcile Walt's wants and needs with an attraction that has mops at the ready every hour of operation of every day?

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

Villains not a good fit?? I respectfully disagree. Look at the Villains event from last year. It was very popular. So popular that they're bringing it back again this year. People love the villains.

I won't ever deny that people love the villains but it's still a terrible idea----in my opinion. Disney has no villain rides or villains as permanent fixtures for meet and greets. The villain buffet was an epic fail ..... and there is a reason for this. Villains are a necessary evil and they can be fun every once in a while. I can't see Disney using a villain theme as a headliner for anything permanent.

Disney does immersive storytelling attractions (not "rides" as such) so an ugly pile of metal scaffolding designed solely to churn people's stomachs around would be the complete antithesis of what the Disney concept stands for.

You can take that as a "no" I guess.

Andre

Ha!!!! Solid post----sprinkled with just the right amount of humor!!

EE is not a "hypercoaster", nor are any of the other Disney mountains, Tower of Terror, Test Track, etc.

As I said, what I'm against is a 200ft-tall pile of steel scaffolding painted in primary colours that serves no other purpose than to visibly throw people around at speed, with or without their lunch following the same trajectory.

Disney does not make "amusement parks", it creates theme parks.

Andre

Haha @ primary colors......alright- all of it made me chuckle!!!! It's really true though!!

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

No, it wasn't due to lack of ridership. I don't remember the exact reason, but I think it was due to some mechanical issue. It was still a very popular ride. It happened sometime in the mid to late 1990s, IIRC.

The past decade, however, showed a marked decrease in popularity. Maybe because it was getting old and creaky, and maybe because there were other, more thrilling coasters at the park, like "X" and Goliath.





I'm probably the only one (or one of the very few) who thinks that Primeval Whirl is EXCELLENTLY themed. Paraphrasing Dolly Parton, it probably cost Disney a lot of money to make it look that cheap.

Jim

I don't what it is about PW but I like it!!!!!

Most wild mouse rides look like this!! Disney's is well themed and the best looking wild mouse ride out there!!!!


Space Mountain w/lights on SPOILER!!!! I know everybody has probably has seen how it looks with the lights on but------there is always that one who hasn't!!

It does look like a scaffolding pile of steel mess!! There is no going around how ugly this looks ---- Disney had no choice but to cut the lights!!

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

The best themed coaster I have ever ridden was a top 10 in the country coaster when it opened, and it sure as heck wasn't Disney. Frankly, I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet or that I didn't think of it sooner. Volcano: The Blast Coaster at King's Dominion was/is an amazing ride. It definitely would fit in Disney World.

This coaster is one of the ugliest roller coasters I have ever seen -- it is a slovenly hot mess of steel....this almost makes me want to change my vote!! I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. But- something like this would never fly at Disney. The good part is that the coaster looks exciting and fun!!

No! That type of coaster is not a 'family oriented' attraction which is what Walt was all about.

You present a valid point here. I mean.... Walt could have easily built a regular roller coaster at Disneyland---- which seems like a no brainer......especially during that era. But- he didn't......so I believe that Walt didn't like plain roller coasters.

 

[WINTER]

And now we purport to know what Walt was all about?
First of all, The Matterhorn was a pretty cutting edge coaster for its time.
Second, (though Walt had nothing to do with it), Mission Space has caused more "protein spills" than most hypercoasters. WDW already has a "vomit comet". It just isn't a coaster. So how does one reconcile Walt's wants and needs with an attraction that has mops at the ready every hour of operation of every day?

This thread is asking opinions as to thoughts on Disney getting a hypercoaster. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't particularly care for this type of coaster. That's my opinion. If people want this type of coaster, there are many parks that have. them. Not sure why Disney needs them. Here's an article found on the web:

Walt envisioned an amusement park in which his cartoon characters could come to life and interact with the visitors. He also wanted a park that catered to the entire family. The stereotypical American amusement park was not what Walt Disney had in mind. Walt was turned off by the vulgarity and grime that he found when he went to other amusement parks. Disney's goal was to create a park where parents and children could have fun together. A typical amusement park in the early half of the twentieth century was a random assortment of roller coasters, merry-go-rounds, and Ferris wheels. Hot dog vendors littered the streets. Beer was sold and consumed in large quantities. Sanitation was never a priority at these parks. In short, they did not offer the best setting for a family outing. Disneyland was created with the intention of having no roller coasters. Main Street, USA, the hub of Disneyland was bordered not by hot dog stands, but by souvenir shops. Alcohol was not sold on the premises. Walt wanted his to park to be different in that it would lack the dirtiness and deterioration that was typically present at amusement parks. This concept would be critical in attracting large numbers of visitors.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

This thread is asking opinions as to thoughts on Disney getting a hypercoaster. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't particularly care for this type of coaster. That's my opinion. If people want this type of coaster, there are many parks that have. them. Not sure why Disney needs them. Here's an article found on the web:

Walt envisioned an amusement park in which his cartoon characters could come to life and interact with the visitors. He also wanted a park that catered to the entire family. The stereotypical American amusement park was not what Walt Disney had in mind. Walt was turned off by the vulgarity and grime that he found when he went to other amusement parks. Disney's goal was to create a park where parents and children could have fun together. A typical amusement park in the early half of the twentieth century was a random assortment of roller coasters, merry-go-rounds, and Ferris wheels. Hot dog vendors littered the streets. Beer was sold and consumed in large quantities. Sanitation was never a priority at these parks. In short, they did not offer the best setting for a family outing. Disneyland was created with the intention of having no roller coasters. Main Street, USA, the hub of Disneyland was bordered not by hot dog stands, but by souvenir shops. Alcohol was not sold on the premises. Walt wanted his to park to be different in that it would lack the dirtiness and deterioration that was typically present at amusement parks. This concept would be critical in attracting large numbers of visitors.

Cite sources please.

While you're right that Walt envisioned a place where parents and kids could enjoy rides together, it wasn't due to roller coasters, it was due to rides designed for children that adults were not allowed on. Walt was tired of taking his children to local amusement parks and being forced to watch them on rides from a nearby bench (Neal Gabler's Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination). I'm not saying he did not have an aversion to roller coasters, but I do find it surprising since he oversaw the construction of the Matterhorn Bobsleds at Disneyland (the first tubular steel track roller coaster ever constructed, no less).

You're absolutely right that everyone is entitled to an opinion, however you are not expressing an opinion, you're expressing a fact. Hence, JimmyV's curiosity as to your personal insight on the inner workings of Walt Disney's mind and my request for you to provide sources.

 

[JimmyV]

Disneyland was created with the intention of having no roller coasters.

Your history lesson does you no favors when you stop to consider the introduction of the Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, California Sreamin', and in Florida, Rock n Roller coaster, Everest and even Barnstormer. Given all that, your bolded sentence has been rendered meaningless. The debate has shifted. It is no longer: "should Disney parks have coasters? " It is now: "what should the next coaster look like?" Since Walt never saw (and in your opinion, never envisioned) RnR or EE, reverting back to "what would Walt want?" simply doesn't work. Because to your way of thinking, if one were to apply that test, 75% of WDW's most popular attractions would not exist in the first instance.

 

[WINTER]

OMG . . . really? My opinion - Disney does well without hypercoasters. No, I wouldn't ride a hyper coaster. If Disney puts one in, I'm still going to Disney. I'm not denying they have coasters. All I stated was that it was an early on intent to not have coasters. I love all the coasters at Disney. Hypercoasters make me think of Six Flags and Kings Island. Disney is in a class all its own. I'm through with this thread. You have your thoughts and I have mine.

 

[casperthegm]

I don't think an outright thrill coaster with no theming will work at any of the Disney World parks. And I know they cater to a different crowd than Universal. But I worry that pre-teens and young teens going to Universal with families now will have fond memories of Harry Potter attractions in each park and take their families there in the future. So, while Disney is fine right now I'd like to see them step it up and hopefully come through with some kind of more teen/young adult oriented thrill ride(s) in the new Star Wars and/or Avatarland.

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

Hmmm.... I never noticed until now that Disney does not have a Ferris Wheel anywhere!!!! Disney does not do "plain" unthemed roller coasters. CS is the only one that's just out there......I heard from one of the local's that there is hardly a line and CS is not as popular as it should be for a roller coaster of that size.

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

I don't think an outright thrill coaster with no theming will work at any of the Disney World parks. And I know they cater to a different crowd than Universal. But I worry that pre-teens and young teens going to Universal with families now will have fond memories of Harry Potter attractions in each park and take their families there in the future. So, while Disney is fine right now I'd like to see them step it up and hopefully come through with some kind of more teen/young adult oriented thrill ride(s) in the new Star Wars and/or Avatarland.

I don't see that happening. The Disney channels get a hold of these kids long before they are tall enough to begin to think about riding the Harry Potter rides. Those memories will have greater impact than what you do in your teen years. I've been riding giant roller coaster since I was 8 years old and eventually outgrew most of them. I don't have any desire to ride a 300 or 400 ft roller coaster anymore.......but I enjoy most of what Disney has to offer. I believe Disney needs more fun coasters and thril rides though!!!!!

 

[JoshuaShaw]

Hmmm.... I never noticed until now that Disney does not have a Ferris Wheel anywhere!!!!

They have a ferris wheel at California Adventure.

 

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

They have a ferris wheel at California Adventure.

Ha ha!!!!! I stand corrected then!! Although it's very rare...... I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong about something. I really dislike that Ferris Wheel though...I didn't catch it before because it blends into rest of steel from California Screamin'----in pictures from certain angles.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Disneyland was created with the intention of having no roller coasters.

How exactly do you reconcile that with the fact that the first tubular steel coaster in the world - the Matterhorn - was built at Disneyland, while Walt was still alive and making the decisions?

Seems to me if Walt didn't want any coasters in Disneyland, that he wouldn't have built one himself.

Alcohol was not sold on the premises.

Actually I don't think this is entirely true. Not sold on Main Street or in restaurants maybe, but I do believe Club 33 has always had alcohol available to its members.