Serious question: if you didnt save enough or run out of retirement money...

I don't believe that to be correct of people continuing their employer insurance upon retirement. Nobody I know who did so is paying LESS today.

Now, ENTERING the private market late in age, sure. But, why would you do that unless you'd just neglected to get insurance previously? And I don't know anyone who's middle class that's eleigble for subsidies. Maybe at the very bottom end of MC.


Most people don't have the luxury of "continuing" their employer health insurance (then or now) upon retirement, except short term via COBRA. Very few employers, statistically, offer retiree health, and the number gets smaller all the time. If you retire "early," your options are basically to get COBRA (good for 18 months most places), go into the private market, or go without.

I have "retiree" health and I consider myself very fortunate. It's a pretty lousy plan with high deductibles, but at least I have it. It DID get better after the ACA because now, at least, I get an annual physical and all recommended "screening" exams at no cost (before they were subject to the deductible). Covering my family under this plan, however, would be prohibitively expensive (mine is "cheap", but then again, it covers just about nothing unless I have a catastrophic level claim).
 
Just as an example, the COBRA I was quoted 11 years ago was over 1300 for my family of 4. Not cheap in the least. 11 years ago. Well before the ACA supposedly caused all the "problems." And, it had a lifetime cap of $1,000,000 (at that time). We did not take COBRA. Instead, I went with retiree health (considerably less coverage), and DH got a job to cover us too with his benefits.

$1,746 a month for my current plan through my employer after their contribution, and it's not particularly great coverage.

BTW, I don't think anyone beloves ACA "caused" the problems. The issue is that while it solved some problems for many, it accelerated the problem for many others. And it doesn't attack the root cause at all.
 
Most people don't have the luxury of "continuing" their employer health insurance (then or now) upon retirement, except short term via COBRA. Very few employers, statistically, offer retiree health, and the number gets smaller all the time. If you retire "early," your options are basically to get COBRA (good for 18 months most places), go into the private market, or go without.

I have "retiree" health and I consider myself very fortunate. It's a pretty lousy plan with high deductibles, but at least I have it. It DID get better after the ACA because now, at least, I get an annual physical and all recommended "screening" exams at no cost (before they were subject to the deductible). Covering my family under this plan, however, would be prohibitively expensive (mine is "cheap", but then again, it covers just about nothing unless I have a catastrophic level claim).

Most people also don't have the luxury of retiring young enough to be ineligible for Medicare.
 
My story is rather similar, ThistleMae. I retired at 61 and just after turning 63 this year found out I have a genetic lung disease. I get infusions every Wednesday and will the rest of my life. Luckily DH and I did some major saving and we have a pretty good health insurance but the infusions at $2,000 a pop.....makes you step back a bit and look at your finances.
Thanks for sharing. Is your insurance covering your infusions?
 

Most people also don't have the luxury of retiring young enough to be ineligible for Medicare.
Especially now that so much more of the money they could be saving for retirement is going for health insurance and deductibles.
 
$1,746 a month for my current plan through my employer after their contribution, and it's not particularly great coverage.

BTW, I don't think anyone beloves ACA "caused" the problems. The issue is that while it solved some problems for many, it accelerated the problem for many others. And it doesn't attack the root cause at all.

Our last contract before i retired was the first time we had to pay anything into medical and it ended up being 12.00 a week and you should have heard people crying and moaning about that! And we have a top of the line plan too- i was jumping for joy at only having to pay 12.00 a week! Plus the fact that i was retiring the following year and it wasnt written into the contract that retirees have to pay anything into it so that is the contract i retired under!
 
Thanks to everyone for sharing your story. I'm paying $ 180 a mos. for my coverage through my employer. The deductibles are reasonable, and it's really great coverage, not complaining at all. It has gone up twice this year and we just got news that we will probably be paying for the supplemental insurance once we are eligible for Medicare, which we do not do now. When I see what other folks have to pay, or that people have to work until 70, I feel really lucky. And yes, some of my coworkers are complaining about the increases but this is because once you are on a fixed income, the rising costs of everything else goes up while your income does not, so it can add up. And we haven't even touched on how expensive it is for a bit of gauze or a medication when you're in the hospital. No one can even tell you what you're paying for, for example I have my own meds and when I was in the hospital they gave me those, and you can't even imagine what they charged my insurance for something I could have taken from my own bottle. No one even questions it. Another small example, I have crutches at home, could I have brought those to use, yes, but they will give you a new pair and no one even asks you if you have your own and tells you to bring them. This is just one small example. There are so many others.
 
We're living our lives now as if we will have a fatal heart attack tomorrow.

Both retired, mid 60s, no mortgage, both on SS and Medicare with a small VA disability paid monthly, $3000/month income from municipal bonds....we're making more money now than when we were working, and not even touching our IRAs or 401ks.

Our frugality over the last 40 years made it possible and not having any children helped a heap also.
 
Our last contract before i retired was the first time we had to pay anything into medical and it ended up being 12.00 a week and you should have heard people crying and moaning about that! And we have a top of the line plan too- i was jumping for joy at only having to pay 12.00 a week! Plus the fact that i was retiring the following year and it wasnt written into the contract that retirees have to pay anything into it so that is the contract i retired under!

Sweet deal! Though I have to admit, paying $12 when I previously paid $0 would irk me too. And sadly, it's likely the first of many future increases in employee contributions :(
 
We're living our lives now as if we will have a fatal heart attack tomorrow.

Both retired, mid 60s, no mortgage, both on SS and Medicare with a small VA disability paid monthly, $3000/month income from municipal bonds....we're making more money now than when we were working, and not even touching our IRAs or 401ks.

Our frugality over the last 40 years made it possible and not having any children helped a heap also.
I love your attitude....ditto! I just had a cancer scare....talk about a reality check. I'm holding off on SS until 66....living off my pension for now. It's very modest....$ 2000.00 a month but I have no debt. I can still do multiple vacations a year. My goal was to spend $ 10,000 a year on vacations but I'm only able to really do about $ 6000.00 until SS kicks in. I am enjoying myself tremendously with some smaller outings and a couple of more expensive trips....like Disney!
 
Sweet deal! Though I have to admit, paying $12 when I previously paid $0 would irk me too. And sadly, it's likely the first of many future increases in employee contributions :(

They just settled a new contract and no increase in that so they lucked out for the next 4 years! But really 12.00 I considered a bargain compared to what people are paying for insurance no where near as good.
 
They just settled a new contract and no increase in that so they lucked out for the next 4 years! But really 12.00 I considered a bargain compared to what people are paying for insurance no where near as good.
That really is AMAZING! I think I could get on board with $12!
 
Most people also don't have the luxury of retiring young enough to be ineligible for Medicare.

Frequently it isn't a luxury. In my parents' generation, I've known more early retirees who were essentially forced into retirement by job loss or health problems than those who chose it deliberately and with a feeling of being well-prepared.

Our last contract before i retired was the first time we had to pay anything into medical and it ended up being 12.00 a week and you should have heard people crying and moaning about that! And we have a top of the line plan too- i was jumping for joy at only having to pay 12.00 a week! Plus the fact that i was retiring the following year and it wasnt written into the contract that retirees have to pay anything into it so that is the contract i retired under!

Wow! We currently pay $407/mo. for a "high deductible" plan (in scare quotes because the high deductible through DH's current employer is lower than any deductible we've had this century AND the employer kicks in $500/yr. in a HSA to offset it). It is good coverage, at least, and that's for a family of 5. If it were just DH & I the cost would drop by about a third. Retirees aren't covered at all, though, so retiring before medicare age will probably depend upon the state of the individual market when we're close enough to be thinking about it.
 
This thread hits home with me, as one set of my grandparents were in this situation. They would have been fine, had they only been supporting themselves on their retirement.

They both had professional jobs they retired from, my grandfather was able to have private insurance as part of his retirement. Several times during retirement, my grandfather would work small or seasonal job, more out of bordem or pleasure, rather than for income. For example, he worked part time in a fish market for a few month, just because it was something he liked.

My grandmother had serious health issues approx 6-8 years before her passing, she was an un-managed diabetic, who often treated herself because she was "good" or "deserved it". Her illness took it's toll, and she inevitably ended up needing a kidney transplant, which she did receive. Even after the transplant, she did not change, she quickly went back to her unhealthy ways and only lived another 5 years after the transplant. I learned after her death, my grandfather was forced to take out the catastrophic clause on the policy, and all the life insurance was consumed by those costs.

One of my aunts, her husband and son fell on hard times and moved into my grandparents home with them. Not to say multi-generational living wasn't okay, but my grandmother made my grandfather swear to not allow them to pay for anything themselves, to pay for everything for them. They lived there completely expense free. Roof over their head, all utilities paid, all meals/grocery covered. This lasted approx 5 years and I was absolutely furious with them, how could they take advantage of them like that, and did nothing to change. I understand their jobs reduced their hours, etc. But for Petes Sake, don't just sit on their sofas and down a quart of ice cream everyday. Pull you're weight, do chores, do their chores, the set of them together, being 3 plenty able bodied people, should have done what they could to provide for themselves as much as their fullest extent as possible and stop mooching off my grandparents. can't afford all the utilities, pay some, can't afford all the groceries, provide 3 communal meals a week, help do all the household laundry, do the dishes, cut the grass.
Several times while visiting my grandparents, I could just see the drain they had on them, but my grandfather was under the pressure of my grandmother to not allow them to pay for anything inside the home. Although, through the years, their employment returned to full time, and very well could have been chipping in in ways that would have been beneficial, they never seemed to have any money, but could buy cigarettes, and beer all the time.

In my grandfathers last few months, he had a near death scare of which he promised my mom and other aunt & uncle that he was going to sit down with the live in aunt and go over household expenses. He had been working for an airport pick up service, making small money on the side. It was not a risk he should have been taking. He took one last airport pick up job, and was found dead of a heart attack in the parking garage. He was only taking the job, as it turned out he only had $73 in the bank at the time of his death.

I know this is a very strong statement when I say, I 100% feel like my aunt living with them greatly contributed to his death, all the financial burden, worry and stress at their hand. My grandparents passed away nearly 1 year to the week apart from each other.

The aunt, husband and now adult child continued to live in my grandparents home for nearly 2 years after his death, while it fell into foreclosure, complete disrepair, disconnected utilities and the pool turned into a massive algae swap. They were finally evicted by the sheriffs department.
 
This thread hits home with me, as one set of my grandparents were in this situation. They would have been fine, had they only been supporting themselves on their retirement.

They both had professional jobs they retired from, my grandfather was able to have private insurance as part of his retirement. Several times during retirement, my grandfather would work small or seasonal job, more out of bordem or pleasure, rather than for income. For example, he worked part time in a fish market for a few month, just because it was something he liked.

My grandmother had serious health issues approx 6-8 years before her passing, she was an un-managed diabetic, who often treated herself because she was "good" or "deserved it". Her illness took it's toll, and she inevitably ended up needing a kidney transplant, which she did receive. Even after the transplant, she did not change, she quickly went back to her unhealthy ways and only lived another 5 years after the transplant. I learned after her death, my grandfather was forced to take out the catastrophic clause on the policy, and all the life insurance was consumed by those costs.

One of my aunts, her husband and son fell on hard times and moved into my grandparents home with them. Not to say multi-generational living wasn't okay, but my grandmother made my grandfather swear to not allow them to pay for anything themselves, to pay for everything for them. They lived there completely expense free. Roof over their head, all utilities paid, all meals/grocery covered. This lasted approx 5 years and I was absolutely furious with them, how could they take advantage of them like that, and did nothing to change. I understand their jobs reduced their hours, etc. But for Petes Sake, don't just sit on their sofas and down a quart of ice cream everyday. Pull you're weight, do chores, do their chores, the set of them together, being 3 plenty able bodied people, should have done what they could to provide for themselves as much as their fullest extent as possible and stop mooching off my grandparents. can't afford all the utilities, pay some, can't afford all the groceries, provide 3 communal meals a week, help do all the household laundry, do the dishes, cut the grass.
Several times while visiting my grandparents, I could just see the drain they had on them, but my grandfather was under the pressure of my grandmother to not allow them to pay for anything inside the home. Although, through the years, their employment returned to full time, and very well could have been chipping in in ways that would have been beneficial, they never seemed to have any money, but could buy cigarettes, and beer all the time.

In my grandfathers last few months, he had a near death scare of which he promised my mom and other aunt & uncle that he was going to sit down with the live in aunt and go over household expenses. He had been working for an airport pick up service, making small money on the side. It was not a risk he should have been taking. He took one last airport pick up job, and was found dead of a heart attack in the parking garage. He was only taking the job, as it turned out he only had $73 in the bank at the time of his death.

I know this is a very strong statement when I say, I 100% feel like my aunt living with them greatly contributed to his death, all the financial burden, worry and stress at their hand. My grandparents passed away nearly 1 year to the week apart from each other.

The aunt, husband and now adult child continued to live in my grandparents home for nearly 2 years after his death, while it fell into foreclosure, complete disrepair, disconnected utilities and the pool turned into a massive algae swap. They were finally evicted by the sheriffs department.
Definitely a tragedy! I wonder why your grandmother couldn't set limits? What was it, do you know?
 
$12 month, wow. My wife and I pay a total of $1500 a month, which is a large discount of what we paid before ACA. How could anyone think someone on a small income could afford that? But they do!
 
$12 month, wow. My wife and I pay a total of $1500 a month, which is a large discount of what we paid before ACA. How could anyone think someone on a small income could afford that? But they do!

$1,500 a month is a "large discount" compared to pre 2010 for 2 people? Do you have some underlying conditions that caused that? I had private (non-employer) insurance for my entire family for about half that at that time.
 
$1,500 a month is a "large discount" compared to pre 2010 for 2 people? Do you have some underlying conditions that caused that? I had private (non-employer) insurance for my entire family for about half that at that time.
Yes we had pre existing conditions. It's being over 50. No one would touch you.
 









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