School fees: Would you rather...

Which would you rather have?

  • a) Everyone pay really high ($4-10K annually) property taxes,

  • b) Prop taxes under $1,500 annually, w/book rental and/or registration fees of $50-$250 per child

  • c) Other, because there always has to be an other


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Inigo

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Concerning school fees, would you rather:

a) Everyone pay really high ($4-10K annually) property taxes,

b) Have low property taxes (under $2K annually), and parents pay $75-$250 annual book rental and/or registration fees,

c) Other, just because there always has to be an other.
 
Our property taxes aren't as high as some (but quite a bit more than $1,500), and we have to pay text book rental fees for our son in highschool. This year is $65, I think.

We don't pay to rent elementary books, though.
 
your defintion of really high doesn't touch our here in Santa Clara County, California :laughing:
 
Our property taxes here in the Philly burbs are under $4K and we don't pay any kind of fees at all.

I had never even heard of these fees until I came on national message boards...absolutely crazy.

If it isn't college (where you are expected to purchase your own books, computer, pay usage and lab fees, etc.... then the school district should be providing it.

The entire way we fund our schools really needs to be overhauled...it is just getting ridiculous!
 

i never heard of school fees either until i read about them on the dis.

we pay very low property taxes (less than $2500) but no school fees for public school kids.

i don't get the whole "book rental" fee deal-is there some kind of shelf life on a text book and the fees over that shelf life will cover the next newer edition?
 
I don't know where in Indiana you are at, but if you are near central Indiana, I am sure you have heard about our cities school woes. Closing HS, mass exodus of kids to other districts, school board members suing each other. It goes on and on.

I grew up in Indiana and graduated in 77 and even back then we paid school/book rental fees so its nothing new.

What I found interesting is that when we left the district that both of our boys graduated from, the new districts fees were much lower than the previous one. We never got out without paying almost $300 each in book rental fees when they were in HS. My oldest DS graduated in 02 and even then they were that high. I registered DD in her new school and her book fees were only $150. This is for book fees. With the boys we still had to pay for things like show choir fees of $800-$1600 a year depending on weather it was a travel year or not.

Our new school doesn't have a band or choir but she is playing a sport and there have been no sport fees either. The only thing we have had to pay for are her supplies like shoes and balls and clubs which is less than I expected to have to buy.

I didn't vote because I don't think either of the choices is the answer. Its going to have to go through the legislation and they are going to have to find a new way to fund schools. Dying towns can't support property tax hikes nor can they support larger fees. When you have a larger free and reduced population than ever before who DON'T pay fees, where is the money going to come from?
 
I voted other because in MN it is illegal to charge textbook and school fees (other than athletics) because it goes against the "free" education. A good portion of the state does not have taxes anywhere near $4K/year-it is all based on your property value so to have $4K in taxes generally you have a house valued at over $400,000--GENERALLY-some areas are higher.
 
Other.
Where we live the average taxes are more like $7000-$10000. It is ridiculous. We also pay our teachers very well. I believe starting salary is somewhere around 42K-52k a year. Most teachers here make 80k-100K a year after a few years. We don't pay fees for school but I would love lower taxes. I also don't think there should be any book rental fees etc. Kids are entitled to a free public education. They can't learn without books!
 
I think the problem stems mainly from the factor most people don't figure into discussions about taxes and schools. In most places, schools are funded from property taxes. While Joe Shmoe and all his neighbors diligently pay into those funds, government has been giving "incenctives" to businesses to move into their towns and communities. (i.e. reduced taxes, including property taxes) This means that some of the largest holders of property by value pay little tax. This reduces funding for the schools.

In our area, there's another factor. For decades, all the schools were operated at the parish (county) level, however, local communities were taxed in part based on their own district for their own school within the larger parish. In the early 2000's, one such district voted a bond issue to improve their schools. The larger parish this district belonged to has an urban center that is a sucking black hole of financial need. The district that voted the bond issue is a small town with more than its fair share of middle class folks.

Well, the parish school board decided to use the money that this district had voted to pay in the form of taxes for the urban school instead of the district. The district sued to put their schools under their town charter (but to include the large unincorporated community as well).

It came to a statewide vote and the community got their own school district. Since then two other communities have forcibly left the parish schools for similar reasons.

Now, that said, the parish involved has a huge petrochemical plant and plenty of heavy industry. The major city is not poor, but for decades most people have sent their kids to private schools because the schools in the city are horrible. I think that too many incentives have, over the years, been given to too many people while, property owners of homes have been loath to fund the public schools as they don't have a horse in the race, so to speak.

The solution? :confused3 So far no one has tackled the core problem because voters don't want it tackled, so the solutions that are tried will inevitably fail, as they're all just noise that don't touch the real problem at hand, which is apathy about the tax base.

I live in the city that sued to be independent. So far, no taxes for schools have been voted down and the city has been very cautious in how the tax base is handled. We've had the top rated school district in the state for something like 5 years now. And the kids, while they have very intense school supply lists, go to school in well-equipped classrooms in nice buildings. There are programs for every type of learner, from the kid who is on track to get a full ride from a top tier school, to the kid who is in danger of dropping out, and everyone in between.
 
I think the problem stems mainly from the factor most people don't figure into discussions about taxes and schools. In most places, schools are funded from property taxes. While Joe Shmoe and all his neighbors diligently pay into those funds, government has been giving "incenctives" to businesses to move into their towns and communities. (i.e. reduced taxes, including property taxes) This means that some of the largest holders of property by value pay little tax. This reduces funding for the schools.

In our area, there's another factor. For decades, all the schools were operated at the parish (county) level, however, local communities were taxed in part based on their own district for their own school within the larger parish. In the early 2000's, one such district voted a bond issue to improve their schools. The larger parish this district belonged to has an urban center that is a sucking black hole of financial need. The district that voted the bond issue is a small town with more than its fair share of middle class folks.

Well, the parish school board decided to use the money that this district had voted to pay in the form of taxes for the urban school instead of the district. The district sued to put their schools under their town charter (but to include the large unincorporated community as well).

It came to a statewide vote and the community got their own school district. Since then two other communities have forcibly left the parish schools for similar reasons.

Now, that said, the parish involved has a huge petrochemical plant and plenty of heavy industry. The major city is not poor, but for decades most people have sent their kids to private schools because the schools in the city are horrible. I think that too many incentives have, over the years, been given to too many people while, property owners of homes have been loath to fund the public schools as they don't have a horse in the race, so to speak.

The solution? :confused3 So far no one has tackled the core problem because voters don't want it tackled, so the solutions that are tried will inevitably fail, as they're all just noise that don't touch the real problem at hand, which is apathy about the tax base.

I live in the city that sued to be independent. So far, no taxes for schools have been voted down and the city has been very cautious in how the tax base is handled. We've had the top rated school district in the state for something like 5 years now. And the kids, while they have very intense school supply lists, go to school in well-equipped classrooms in nice buildings. There are programs for every type of learner, from the kid who is on track to get a full ride from a top tier school, to the kid who is in danger of dropping out, and everyone in between.

In MN your property tax base for the schools comes from the residents of that district, not the county as a whole. We don't have countywide school districts here so what happens in the next town over has no bearing on what happens in our district, thankfully. I can't imagine the system you have being at all remotely efficient :lmao:.

The one thing I DON'T like in our state is that there is some law that no district can have bonds out for a certain percentage over the lowest bond in the state or something goofy like that. Since the state cut $15,000,000 out of our funding for the coming year we are scrambling to make up that money--previously we were in the black and a very financially healthy district. Most of the families I know would GLADLY support a bond but we are almost maxed out on what we can have so we are stuck between he proverbial rock and hard place. They are looking for a bond to cover much of this loss but that will max us out and no where to go for additional funds as needed.
 
Other.
Where we live the average taxes are more like $7000-$10000. It is ridiculous. We also pay our teachers very well. I believe starting salary is somewhere around 42K-52k a year. Most teachers here make 80k-100K a year after a few years. We don't pay fees for school but I would love lower taxes. I also don't think there should be any book rental fees etc. Kids are entitled to a free public education. They can't learn without books!

I agree-- I would be jumping for joy at a 4,000 property tax bill!!
I don't agree with book rental fees--we have kids that can't afford breakfast how would they be able to pay for books....and if they don't pay do they still get books??
 
I agree-- I would be jumping for joy at a 4,000 property tax bill!!
I don't agree with book rental fees--we have kids that can't afford breakfast how would they be able to pay for books....and if they don't pay do they still get books??

With all fees I am sure there is an exception for low income students. I know in our district if you qualify for free or reduced lunch you do not have to pay athletic fees to be in sports, for example.
 
Our property taxes are close to $12,000, but with 5 kids, I'll take the property taxes! Although there are rumors of fees this year, with major school funding cuts.
 
Regulate the text book industry. College and school book prices are much higher than they should be. Or replace books with online content.

Remove wasteful spending.

Let students leave if they don't excel. Lowers seat count and spending.
 
In MN your property tax base for the schools comes from the residents of that district, not the county as a whole. We don't have countywide school districts here so what happens in the next town over has no bearing on what happens in our district, thankfully. I can't imagine the system you have being at all remotely efficient.

Louisiana, was and is a very rural state. Having public education on a parish district means that schools can be consolidated across several communities and share resources and that the city's tax dollars, which are supported by the rural communities inhabitants and activities, are of benefit to the rural communities as well as to the cities. It actually works very well to educate kids. I've lived in areas with ISD's and find that to be really inefficient and money wasting, especially at the administration level. It's not that our town really wanted to break away, as I understand it, they just felt they had no choice if they wanted people to keep sending their kids to public schools.
 
Not sure...I pay more to home educate per student than I do in propery taxes.
I must consider that the property taxes
also pay for roads, fire/rescue, and police. Not sure I wish to change it as Public education would be cost prohibitive to many in the population. It is one of those "it takes a village" moments. If the village doesn't support services
for the public...then only those rich enough to pay a la carte would receive them.
Not sure I want a bill anytime I need help from
fire/rescue or the police either.
 
Louisiana, was and is a very rural state. Having public education on a parish district means that schools can be consolidated across several communities and share resources and that the city's tax dollars, which are supported by the rural communities inhabitants and activities, are of benefit to the rural communities as well as to the cities. It actually works very well to educate kids. I've lived in areas with ISD's and find that to be really inefficient and money wasting, especially at the administration level. It's not that our town really wanted to break away, as I understand it, they just felt they had no choice if they wanted people to keep sending their kids to public schools.

MN is also very rural and there are many smaller communities that have formed cooperative agreements to combine services/administrations, etc. but the problem I see is that if you take one larger town that is prosperous and try to combine it with a smaller, less prosperous town the larger town pulls more of the burden to fund the schools. In a lot of the smaller towns that are still independent the administration often takes on double duty-Principal and Athletic Director, for example. I don't see a lot of waste going on and I think the system here is very efficient. We also have statewide open enrollment so if a student doesn't like the courses or programs in one district they can open enroll into another.
 
Not sure...I pay more to home educate per student than I do in propery taxes.
I must consider that the property taxes
also pay for roads, fire/rescue, and police. Not sure I wish to change it as Public education would be cost prohibitive to many in the population. It is one of those "it takes a village" moments. If the village doesn't support services
for the public...then only those rich enough to pay a la carte would receive them.
Not sure I want a bill anytime I need help from
fire/rescue or the police either
.

There are a lot of police and fire departments around the country that bill for use.
 
Concerning school fees, would you rather:

a) Everyone pay really high ($4-10K annually) property taxes,

b) Have low property taxes (under $2K annually), and parents pay $75-$250 annual book rental and/or registration fees,

c) Other, just because there always has to be an other.


I voted other because our property taxes here (western suburb of Chicago) are already high~~$6,000-$10,000 range and we pay fees to the school.

Here is a list of fees from the district handbook.


High School

Book Fee $75
Registration Fee $65
ID Fee $5.00
Class Fee $5.00
Activities $30.00 Optional
Adventure Ed P.E. Class * $50.00 Additional based on course enrolled
(See Course Catalog)
Band Instrument Rental $50.00 Additional if enrolled
Band Uniform Cleaning Fee $10.00 Additional if enrolled & issued a uniform
Band Uniform Rental (9-12) $20.00 Additional if enrolled & issued a uniform
Course materials TBD Additional based on course enrolled
(See Course Catalog)
Drivers Education Fee * $150.00 Additional if enrolled
Graduation Fee – Gr 12 $30.00 Additional for graduates
National Honor Society Fee $5.00 Additional if qualified
Parking Permit $60.00 Optional for Juniors & Seniors only
P.E. Lock $4.25 Additional for 9th if not available from
previous year
P.E. Uniform TBD Additional if taking P.E.
Sport Fee $60.00 Optional (Max. $150.00 if multi-sport/
club student)
Yearbook Fee TBD Optional
* Additional fees not paid by due date will result in student being dropped from class.


Middle school
Book fee $65
Registration Fee $35
Band Instrument Rental $50.00 Additional if enrolled
Band Lock $4.25 Additional if enrolled
Band Uniform Cleaning Fee $10.00 Additional if enrolled & issued a uniform
Band Uniform Rental (6-8) $15.00 Additional if enrolled & issued a uniform
Club Fee $10.00 Additional if enrolled
Graduation Fee – Gr 8 $20.00 Additional for graduates
National Jr. Honor Society Fee $5.00 Additional if qualified
P.E. Lock $4.25 Additional for 6th, optional otherwise
P.E. Uniform TBD Additional for 6th, optional otherwise
Sport Fee $20.00 Additional if enrolled
(Max. $50 if multi-sport/club student)
Yearbook Fee TBD Optional

Elementary School
Registration Fee $10.00
Book Fee $40.00


Early Childhood
(ages 3-5 for Special Ed Students)
Registration Fee $10.00
Book Fee $30.00
 
I'm another lucky one who gets to pay high taxes (avg. here ranges from 8k to 10k) and high fees.
 


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