Salt water fish tanks??

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My son really wants to try a saltwater fish tank. He had a HUGE tank given to him by a friend that had freshwater fish in it but he thinks he can manage the salt water.
Does anyone here have one? Are they hard and expensive to set up and maintain? How much are the fish to go in it and do they live longer han freshwater fish?
Just trying to see what he's getting himself into here.:laughing:
 
I"ve looked into it, never did it, was told its a major major project, always having to keep up with the salt levels etc., and if you don't the fish die. But people do it. If you live by the ocean I'm not sure if it would help to use real sea water or not. I ended up not doing it, because I just dont have time right now. But they are neat, and the fish can be neat. I wanted to do Seahorses and Octopus, but the Octopus I hear are very difficult to keep alive, and even if you do everything right, they still die within a year or 2.

Oh one interesting note about octopus, I hear they can and do crawl out of their tanks a lot if you don't have a tight secure lid on the tank. I heard one example that someone left a jar of food by the tank, the octopus crawled out, UNSCREWED THE JAR!! to get the food, that is wild whacky stuff.
 
My son really wants to try a saltwater fish tank. He had a HUGE tank given to him by a friend that had freshwater fish in it but he thinks he can manage the salt water.
Does anyone here have one? Are they hard and expensive to set up and maintain? How much are the fish to go in it and do they live longer han freshwater fish?
Just trying to see what he's getting himself into here.:laughing:

My DW and I maintained a 55gal saltwater reef tank for about 4-5 years, when we were first married and didn't have a kid, yet.

They are beautiful. There's nothing that compares to seeing reef fish and coral in your own home! :goodvibes

They are a LOT of work. I guesstimate that they're about 5X the work of a complex freshwater tank (one with live plants and undergravel filtering). There's constant tinkering with Ph levels, salinity levels, nitrite levels, etc....

They are EXPENSIVE!! Most saltwater fish are in the $20-$75 range, with many of the most beautiful being far more. It's really heartbreaking to watch a gorgeous $200 fish slowly die of marine ick just a few weeks after purchase.

Kept healthy, though, they generally live quite a long time; we had several fish and some beautiful coral that lasted years. Unfortunately, very little survived the move from our apartment to our home; the move was the death of our lovely reef.

Everything is more expensive for a reef tank ... everything! :)

I highly recommend getting a couple of good books about marine fishtanks and reading them cover to cover...! :) Keeping saltwater fish is markedly different from keeping freshwater ones.
 
I have read that it is easier to keep large saltwater tank than a small one.
 

We had one for a few years. I wanted a goldfish in a bowl to keep me company when I was home pregnant on disability and my husband got me a monstrosity:laughing:

It wasn't too bad to take care of and all my fish survived. We had an under the gravel filter and a heater. It had to be scrubbed often so it didn't look icky. The water had to be switched out once every few weeks. if I remember right about 1/4-1/3 the tank was swapped at a time. I used a long siphon that I dropped out the window and into the plants to get rid of the old water then just added what needed adding. Once one of my fish got sick so I made up a separate sick tank to treat the little guy, he got better and returned to his friends.

For all the complaining I really didn't think it was such a big deal if someone has the patience for it. It was certainly easier and cleaner then hampsters
 
Fish are not easy no matter if they are salt or fresh water. It is an expensive hobby and time consuming.

Your son needs to make sure he can dedicate time each week to tank care and fish maintenance.

LPZ is on the button.:thumbsup2

To compare them to hamster care is beyond silly. Hamsters ARE NOTHING compared to fish. I can't believe you said that.:confused3
 
Fish don't stink to high heaven or make me pull out the dish washer because they've escaped again and want a new home, nor to they escape and nest under a sink where they chew through hoses and cost thousands in damage wile you are in LBI with family for a 2 week vacation.

YOU may think hamsters are easier Mystery but I don't.
 
Large tanks are easier because if there is a goof in the chemicals or you can't check your nitrate levels for a few days, there is more water to absorb the shock. Likely everything in a smaller tank would die.

It is expensive. You can get fish that aren't outrageous but the prettiest ones are $$$. Corals both hard and soft, inverts, everything can add up. My husband gave me a 225 gallon tank 2.5 years ago and we set it up last summer. We probably have between $7000- $10000 in it including the tank(just the tank with no extras was $2500), lighting, sump, salt, live rock, chemicals, and livestock. It has become a hobby both of us love but it requires time and care to keep it going.

He can do a small one for less but he has to realize that this involves way more time and responsibility than a freshwater tank. It's very rewarding though if he can do it. There are lots of online forums. Reef central is a good one.
 
I'm enjoying your thread.

QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS

Have you had any experience with Octopus or Seahorses?

I saw a jellyfish one at this bar, I hear jellyfish are the hardest to do, and you have to have a circular round tank for those. They will die if they hit the side of the tank. :confused3
 
I'm enjoying your thread.

QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS

Have you had any experience with Octopus or Seahorses?

I saw a jellyfish one at this bar, I hear jellyfish are the hardest to do, and you have to have a circular round tank for those. They will die if they hit the side of the tank. :confused3

I'm not an expert but with any livestock you have to be very careful about what other fish, corals, etc you have in the tank because they can quickly become food. We had a pair of clown fish. One swam too close to a coral we have that has tentacles and it was stung and killed.
There's a site called jelliquarium, http://www.jelliquarium.com/default.aspx that specializes in these animals. You'll see on that site that tanks do not have to be round.
 
I"ve looked into it, never did it, was told its a major major project, always having to keep up with the salt levels etc., and if you don't the fish die. But people do it. If you live by the ocean I'm not sure if it would help to use real sea water or not. I ended up not doing it, because I just dont have time right now. But they are neat, and the fish can be neat. I wanted to do Seahorses and Octopus, but the Octopus I hear are very difficult to keep alive, and even if you do everything right, they still die within a year or 2.

Oh one interesting note about octopus, I hear they can and do crawl out of their tanks a lot if you don't have a tight secure lid on the tank. I heard one example that someone left a jar of food by the tank, the octopus crawled out, UNSCREWED THE JAR!! to get the food, that is wild whacky stuff.

Octopus are extremely intelligent and yes, they will escape if they can figure out how to do it. Also if you have octopi you can't really have anything else, they will eat whatever you put in with them and they need more space. Seahorses are very difficult, they are very very sensitive to water changes, be it temp or chemical, they are very sensitive animals to keep. As for fish dying within a year or two...our current saltwater tank has been set up for 5 years, we still have the original Purple Tang we bought at that time, she's doing fine. We also have a Clown fish we put in the tank about 6 months after we put the Tang in, the Clown is also doing fine. Our other Clown fish has been in the tank for a couple of years now, all are doing absolutely great, very healthy and happy.

We had one for a few years. I wanted a goldfish in a bowl to keep me company when I was home pregnant on disability and my husband got me a monstrosity:laughing:

It wasn't too bad to take care of and all my fish survived. We had an under the gravel filter and a heater. It had to be scrubbed often so it didn't look icky. The water had to be switched out once every few weeks. if I remember right about 1/4-1/3 the tank was swapped at a time. I used a long siphon that I dropped out the window and into the plants to get rid of the old water then just added what needed adding. Once one of my fish got sick so I made up a separate sick tank to treat the little guy, he got better and returned to his friends.

For all the complaining I really didn't think it was such a big deal if someone has the patience for it. It was certainly easier and cleaner then hampsters

You had an under gravel filter and heater in a saltwater tank? I think you're talking a freshwater tank. :)

Actually it would be more accurate to say you can't have a small saltwater tank.

Saltwater fish are big and they need a big tank.

Not true, DBF has a nano cube at work, it's 12 gallons, it's very healthy and happy. He's got maroon clowns and lots of little corals (mostly taken from our tank at home) and all are doing great, even over the weekends where it's left alone. I wouldn't suggest going smaller tho, and I'd ONLY suggest going this small with a nano cube, the nano's have built in filtration so you don't have to worry about sumps and skimmers and all that "fun" stuff. LOL

I'm not an expert but with any livestock you have to be very careful about what other fish, corals, etc you have in the tank because they can quickly become food. We had a pair of clown fish. One swam too close to a coral we have that has tentacles and it was stung and killed.
There's a site called jelliquarium, http://www.jelliquarium.com/default.aspx that specializes in these animals. You'll see on that site that tanks do not have to be round.

You definitely have to be careful with your livestock and pairing. It's best to do a lot of research before buying anything new, or to find a store with knowledgeable employees who will remember what you have and say "don't get that, it will hurt xxxxx". That's what we are lucky enough to have, a guy who knows a lot and remembers almost everything we have in our tank, if he can't remember he will say "don't put this with xxxx or xxx will happen".

We have a 75 gallon reef tank, we have the 3 fish mentioned previous (2 Clowns and 1 Purple Tang), we have loads of corals!! Our tank is gorgeous, full and pretty easy to take care of. Yes, you have to watch the water parameters and yes, you have to feed the fish and corals regularly, but we are able to leave town for a week and not worry too much about what we have. But our tank has been set up for years so it's important to remember that. It's easier to care for because we don't have to test it daily anymore, it can self regulate to a point. We do water changes/cleanings once a month and we test the water parameters weekly. We really love our tank, it's a source of joy and it's so beautiful!! :) If you do go with saltwater make sure the tank you get is pre-drilled because it has to have plumbing underneath for the sump and skimmer....read up on it, it's not as easy as 1-2-3. :)

FTR, we also had a freshwater planted tank, the freshwater planted tank was 100% easier than the saltwater tank. :)

PS if you have more questions feel free to post them here or PM me, PMing is easier as I don't get onto the Community Board all the time. :)
 
You definitely have to be careful with your livestock and pairing. It's best to do a lot of research before buying anything new, or to find a store with knowledgeable employees who will remember what you have and say "don't get that, it will hurt xxxxx". That's what we are lucky enough to have, a guy who knows a lot and remembers almost everything we have in our tank, if he can't remember he will say "don't put this with xxxx or xxx will happen".

Even when you're careful, you can still have issues!

We had a beautiful Flame Angel who inexplicably started eating our Elegance Coral ... a $50 fish potentially demolishng $250 worth of coral!! And, Flame Angels aren't even supposed to BE coral eaters! Needless to say, he went back to the shop. Luckily, most salt water fish shops have a very liberal return policy for just this reason.

We also had a gorgeous snowflake moray take an unusual dislike to a lion fish and shred his fins to nothing (killing him, of course).

It was a fun hobby, but a money pit. :lmao:

One other thing; we had an undergravel filter (with dual powerheads) in our saltwater tank, too ... in addition to a large bio-filter/sump. And, heaters are a *must* ... the water in our tank was warmer than the air temperature almost all the time!! We had at least two in the tank (hidden by the liverock), and one in the sump.
 
I have only had experience with freshwater and they are not cheap either.

My sister who had since had to give up her tank, got fish from a reputable place and it killed most of her fish colony off. She was so sad. Nothing like flushing a few hundred $ down the toilet.

My brother is the fish/bird man and he had to give up his fish he had for many yrs. He had to move and could not care for them due to expense. He had MONSTER tanks though.

Honestly OP, unless your son has about 500+/yr to devote to fish care, I do not suggest it.

It is expensive.

OH yea, I see those NanoCubes. They are cool. We just have a lowly Beta fish right now and I would love one of those things.

OH and a shout out to our hamster who died last night.....It was our second one.
 
You had an under gravel filter and heater in a saltwater tank? I think you're talking a freshwater tank. :)
:)

No, it was absolutely a 55 gallon saltwater tank, I was the one who had to go and buy those big bags of salt "Instant Ocean Sea Salt Mix" (with Nemo on the front )& mix it, trust me there is no way to confuse the two. We got all the stuff the guy at the fish store told us to get. The filter was a giant thing that sat on the bottom. I don't see why it's an issue, the fish didn't die, they were fine & I liked not cleaning anything. But when my son was 6 months old I got pregnant with my daughter and I was overwhelmed so we donated the fish back to some fish stores & that was that, it lasted about 2 1/2 years

This past Mother's Day I asked for and got some freshwater fish. They were little neon guys I named after sweets they resembled like Twizzler & Sherbert. This tank was smaller but the filter got icky and they all died over the winter. I had better luck with the saltwater guys but I liked the freshies better because they have cute tanks and fit right next to my computer.

Although maybe THIS year I can get an honest to goodness goldfish so I can name it Cleo:love:

Fish are cool:fish:

PS - Sorry your family hamster died last night Mystery.
 
Let's see...

Time consuming: yes, especially at first

Expensive?..... For most people.... even the cheaper fish can be $25 each, and go way up there.

Gorgeous?..... if done well.

Environmentally friendly? ... not usually. Sure some fish are grown on farms and are bred for the aquatics industry, but many come right from the sea, and many of these fish are being found in dwindling numbers. Plus, of course, the collection of live coral can injure a barrier reef.

Risky?... yep. My brother spent about $1000 on his salt water tank ( for the fish, coral, gravel.... ) and one day he put this thing in, a Feather Duster, I think it was, and the next morning the ENTIRE tank had died.

So, then he converted it to a freshwater tank. and a few years later he came home from a weekend away to find the tank somehow broke, and the water went all over his floor, ruining his carpet.

That all said, he's still addicted. He now owns a 200 gallon tank. And he's had it for about 12 years, and still enjoys it.

BTW, the smaller the tank, the harder it is to keep everything like it should be.

Another, BTW, a nice option to saltwater fish is to raise African Cichlids. Usually more hardy than saltwater fish, and far easier to take care of, with the bonus of still having some beautiful colors if you get the right ones.

That is what my brother has now. That, and several of these that are now about 9" long.

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and here is a google image search for images of cichlids:

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&...q=african+cichlid&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=
 

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