Riviera resale ppp

[crvetter]

Even so. A skyliner is not a walkway to MK. A sucker is born every minute, I guess, but I just don’t see the appeal for the money. I stayed at VGF this weekend though and while a lovely hotel, didn’t quite see the appeal for the price there either.

True I'm not going to disagree with that. As far as the monorail, the resort line isn't that great (in terms of crowds) because of the "tourist" riders using it to go to Grand Floridian, Contemporary, and Polynesian for dining reservations or even just to look around. Let alone the people using it to avoid the express line to the TTC. So I agree the Skyliner is being shared with a Mod and 2 Values but it really isn't that much worse that the monorail because of the issues I just highlighted (so while the monorail serves less hotel rooms it has far more day riders). But BLT is by far the best to walk to MK IMO. No crowds to fight for that resort. Riviera points are aggressive and 100% relies it success on the Skyliner.

 

[Madame]

True I'm not going to disagree with that. As far as the monorail, the resort line isn't that great (in terms of crowds) because of the "tourist" riders using it to go to Grand Floridian, Contemporary, and Polynesian for dining reservations or even just to look around. Let alone the people using it to avoid the express line to the TTC. So I agree the Skyliner is being shared with a Mod and 2 Values but it really isn't that much worse that the monorail because of the issues I just highlighted (so while the monorail serves less hotel rooms it has far more day riders). But BLT is by far the best to walk to MK IMO. No crowds to fight for that resort. Riviera points are aggressive and 100% relies it success on the Skyliner.

Agreed. Is it true that Riviera is not direct to both DHS & EP, that there is a line change somewhere to get to DHS? Perhaps I’m confused.

 

[crvetter]

Agreed. Is it true that Riviera is not direct to both DHS & EP, that there is a line change somewhere to get to DHS? Perhaps I’m confused.

The lines are as follows, AoA/POP to CBR, CBR to DHS, and CBR->Riviera->Epcot. So yes Riviera sill have to change lines at CBR to get to DHS. However, they won't to get to Epcot. I think this means Pop and AoA will have to change to go to either park. Also Riviera it be feasible to walk to the CBR station to get direct access to DHS

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Agreed. Is it true that Riviera is not direct to both DHS & EP, that there is a line change somewhere to get to DHS? Perhaps I’m confused.

The station for the DHS line will be at CBR. So those staying there can get directly on it but everyone else coming from Epcot, Riviera and AoA/Pop will have to change at that point to get to DHS.

 

[Turn the Page]

I think they are off on VGF prediction. I vote BLT see my reasons: https://www.disboards.com/threads/r...ad-on-it-already.3734696/page-3#post-60305922

Also based on the total number of points declared it's much closer to BLT in quantity when adjusted for # of Homes being declared: https://www.disboards.com/threads/m...n-dated-01-19-19.3734585/page-6#post-60276170

I'm having trouble interpreting this. It says an approximation of point cost per night meaning that is just an average all year. That doesn't really tell me anything at all.

 

[crvetter]

I'm having trouble interpreting this. It says an approximation of point cost per night meaning that is just an average all year. That doesn't really tell me anything at all.

It isn’t meant to tell you the exact points charts. Though the point being made is that 1) the number of points being declared seems too low for it to cost the same as VGF and 2) if I look at the average nightly point costs for BLT it is aligned with the numbers presented in Riviera’s POS. I was previously informed by DVC that those numbers are indicative of what the first years point chart will look like on average, and the numbers only apply the first year.

So while you didn’t find the information useful the poster I replied to might have and it was a comment to show I felt that the article is mistaken to the point costs being aligned with VGF.

 

[Turn the Page]

It isn’t meant to tell you the exact points charts. Though the point being made is that 1) the number of points being declared seems too low for it to cost the same as VGF and 2) if I look at the average nightly point costs for BLT it is aligned with the numbers presented in Riviera’s POS. I was previously informed by DVC that those numbers are indicative of what the first years point chart will look like on average, and the numbers only apply the first year.

So while you didn’t find the information useful the poster I replied to might have and it was a comment to show I felt that the article is mistaken to the point costs being aligned with VGF.

We must be getting our signals crossed. I meant I didn't quite understand the people saying it is on par with GF pricing based on the information released today as there isn't enough there to make that determination. After crunching some numbers, which you did, it appears the point requirements are lower than GF, more like BLT. Which is what several people were predicting.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

We must be getting our signals crossed. I meant I didn't quite understand the people saying it is on par with GF pricing based on the information released today as there isn't enough there to make that determination. After crunching some numbers, which you did, it appears the point requirements are lower than GF, more like BLT. Which is what several people were predicting.

It does not seem to align to BLT standard view. And BLT LV and TPV are very close to VGF Standard and VGF LV. Saying it's similar or slightly more than BLT or similar or slightly less than VGF is pretty much saying the same thing.

It's just comparing to the Max allocation charts for all resorts. They could do it a little differently than any existing and still have those charts be correct.

 

[crvetter]

We must be getting our signals crossed. I meant I didn't quite understand the people saying it is on par with GF pricing based on the information released today as there isn't enough there to make that determination. After crunching some numbers, which you did, it appears the point requirements are lower than GF, more like BLT. Which is what several people were predicting.

Sorry for the confusion on my end.

It does not seem to align to BLT standard view. And BLT LV and TPV are very close to VGF Standard and VGF LV. Saying it's similar or slightly more than BLT or similar or slightly less than VGF is pretty much saying the same thing.

It's just comparing to the Max allocation charts for all resorts. They could do it a little differently than any existing and still have those charts be correct.

I did say it aligned with BLT Theme Park and Lake View, not standard; in complete agreement with you (they were responding to my post so I wanted to clarify that). The issue with the maximum allocation for BLT and VGF is they didn't give view breakdown (that is the issue I have with using maximum reallocation levels to equate Riviera to VGF). I think, it is important to consider the views in comparison especially since PVB lists views (in its POS) for its studios at 22 and 26 points (standard and lake), and we know those in reality cost the same as VGF studios. So for the studio alone VGF/PVB costs 2 points more per night for each view type which is much different (not really similar IMO) under maximum reallocation. Now looking at actual costs through the average nightly studio cost for PVB and VGF you get pretty much 22 and 26 for standard and lake. This suggests that it will be similar to BLT (maximum reallocation of Riviera aligns exactly with BLT preferred views), which I consider much cheaper than VGF/PVB. This analysis even holds for the 1 and 2 bedrooms. Plus BLT rack rates (lake and theme park) are much closer than VGF rack rates (standard and lake).

Though I'm guessing we are a month or so away from knowing what the point charts look like.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I did say it aligned with BLT Theme Park and Lake View, not standard; in complete agreement with you (they were responding to my post so I wanted to clarify that). The issue with the maximum allocation for BLT and VGF is they didn't give view breakdown (that is the issue I have with using maximum reallocation levels to equate Riviera to VGF). I think, it is important to consider the views in comparison especially since PVB lists views (in its POS) for its studios at 22 and 26 points (standard and lake), and we know those in reality cost the same as VGF studios. So for the studio alone VGF/PVB costs 2 points more per night for each view type which is much different (not really similar IMO) under maximum reallocation. Now looking at actual costs through the average nightly studio cost for PVB and VGF you get pretty much 22 and 26 for standard and lake. This suggests that it will be similar to BLT (maximum reallocation of Riviera aligns exactly with BLT preferred views), which I consider much cheaper than VGF/PVB. This analysis even holds for the 1 and 2 bedrooms.

My POS has the breakdown for VGF but as you state, not for BLT. 22/26, 45/53, 61/72 and 147 are the respective numbers for VGF.

 

[crvetter]

My POS has the breakdown for VGF but as you state, not for BLT. 22/26, 45/53, 61/72 and 147 are the respective numbers for VGF.

Ah okay yeah thanks I missed the views in it. I was skimming quickly. Though that’s 10-15% more than Riviera all around. Been nice if we had views for BLT to get a true comparison, lol.

 

[CaliAdventurer]

If it’s close to as good as VGF and I believe they will try, is buy a resale at a reasonable price. I have VGF and Aulani and would love VGC. I can trade into DVC 2.0 white those points so only using Riviera isn’t terrible if it’s where I want to stay. Lots of folks have VGF or BCV points with no intention of ever swapping out.

 

[Jason@dvcstore]

I’m thinking if I saw a 200 point resale riviera contract loaded with points for $50ish a point I might take a chance on it. I doubt I’d go any higher than that. Think I’m too low?

My prediction sure to be incorrect is that Riviera resales will have its own market for those who want to stay at Riviera. I predict the price per point resale to be at 65% of the Direct price.

 

[DaveNan]

My prediction sure to be incorrect is that Riviera resales will have its own market for those who want to stay at Riviera. I predict the price per point resale to be at 65% of the Direct price.

Copper Creek runs resale around $150 and direct at $188, or 80%.

 

[Ben E N]

Copper Creek runs resale around $150 and direct at $188, or 80%.

I would then agree with 65% or so then. People who buy there can only stay there, so many buyers will be scared off and buy at an original 14 resort, keeping CCV resale high and driving Riviera lower.

 

[bashuck]

I can't see how the points could get to 50 resale as obviously Disney would ROFR them and resell them without the restrictions the resale buyer would have had. At that point the resale buyers would offer more. I'm hoping to stay there if it is opened by Mid Oct and if I found it to be really nice I would easily find it would be worth $90+ as a secondary contract.