Reputable Black Friday?

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I have been watching the ads come along on the black friday site gottadeal.com and I am just wondering if they are sanctioned by the companies or are they conjecture? I went to Best Buy today to check out a couple of the things that they have on their black friday site and the customer service manager said he couldn't imagine that deep a discount on the MP3 player by Sandisk. (they regularly sell for 99.99 and the ad says they will be 39.99) Now the cool thing is that he told me if I bought them now and came in on Black Friday morning he would price adjust the cost for me. I was VERY :earseek: surprised to say the least. I didn't expect that anyone would price adjust the black Friday prices. So I guess I am just wondering if anyone used that site last year for black friday and found it reliable or was it not so good? I'd hate to plan around all that information and have half of it be wrong!
 
it seems that they were right on...I think most of the info is coming from employees that have seen the flyer. Working at KB we would get them early but were told to tell no one about them! About the price adjustment ..I think they do but in order to get the price you have to come in during the black friday sale times (like 5am-11am)

Marissa :earsgirl:
 
The companies do NOT like the fact that the lists are published so early & I believe they sued some of the sites last year. They are legit. Isn't that wonderful? :)
 
Does anyone know if TRU , Walmarts or the Disney store do price matching on their own items for sale on Black Friday. Would love to just purchase what i want now, then go on BF and get price adjustments.
 

From Everything I've heard TRU no longer PM (they used too and I used to do what you are suggesting). I think WM varies from store to store and person to person. I would ask your WM and get the name of the mgr. that you speak w/if they say yes. I have no idea about the disney store.
 
I was shocked that Best Buy said they would PM. The clerk told me that, and to be honest I though she was wrong. So I went to the C Service Mgr and asked too and he confirmed it and said to look for him personally if I had any trouble. I am Psyched! I will go on MOnday and buy 4 of the MP3 players and take my slip on Friday and get it matched :cool1: :cool1:
 
Jut be careful. BB is notorious for changing the UPC's on BF. Meaning the item you bought Monday or even Wednesday won't even scan the sale price. This is to prevent things like this from happening. There are quite a few stores actually that do this. Good luck though.
btw- I followed gottadeal last year and the ads were on the money.
 
NY Times article

Shop-Till-You-Drop Specials, Revealed Here First
By MICHAEL BARBARO
Published: November 17, 2005
For retailers, the day after Thanksgiving is a painstakingly orchestrated affair.

Prices are scientifically slashed, down to the penny. Sales begin at dawn. And glossy circulars containing the well-laid plans are distributed just a day or two ahead to keep consumers and competitors in the dark.

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Ana Elisa Fuentes for The New York Times
Michael Brim in his dorm room at California Polytechnic, where he operates a Web site that tips off shoppers.

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Or at least that is how it worked before people like Michael Brim came along. From a cramped dorm room in California, Mr. Brim, an 18-year-old college freshman who dines on Lucky Charms and says he rarely shops, is abruptly pulling back the curtain on the biggest shopping day of the year.

His Web site, BF2005.com, publishes the circulars for what retailers call Black Friday - the day that officially starts the holiday shopping season - weeks ahead of time.

So far this year, sources have leaked advertisements to him from Toys "R" Us (showing the Barbie Fashion Show Mall, regularly $99.99, for $29.97); Sears (a Canon ZR100 MiniDV camcorder, regularly $329.99, for $249.99); and Ace Hardware (a Skil 12-volt drill, regularly $44.99, for $24.99).

Mr. Brim says his motive is to educate consumers. But retailers are furious, arguing that the site jeopardizes their holiday business, and they have threatened legal action.

But BF2005.com is not their only problem. There are now at least three Web sites dedicated to digging up Black Friday sales secrets, creating a fierce competition to post the ads first. It is so heated, in fact, that all three sites stamp the circulars with bright electronic watermarks to discourage rivals from stealing a scoop.

The renegade sites, whose popularity is growing, highlight how much the Web is shifting the balance of power in retailing from companies to consumers. Big national chains used to control discounts carefully, and shoppers were lucky to stumble into a sale at a store or receive an e-mail message promising free shipping. Today, however, online forums encourage strangers to exchange hard-to-find online coupon codes, and they offer instructions on how to combine rebates with one-day sales to cut retail prices in half.

For the discount warriors who run these sites, Black Friday is the best chance to share their techniques, not to mention their zeal, with the masses who pay full price.

"It's the day that even the average Joe becomes a professional bargain hunter," said Mr. Brim, an electrical engineering student at California Polytechnic State University in San Luis Obispo, Calif., who finances his Web site through ads placed there by Google.

Black Friday - so named because it traditionally was the point when retailers started to earn a profit (went into the black) for the year - is now more of a social ritual than a make-or-break financial moment. (A company that waited until the second-to-last month of the year to make money would probably face an investor revolt.)

Still, it remains a lucrative day for retailers. In 2004, consumers spent about $8 billion on the day after Thanksgiving, compared with $4 billion on the next Friday, according to ShopperTrak, a retail research firm. "This is a significant day for them," said Bill Martin, ShopperTrak's co-founder.

Significant enough, in fact, that lawyers for Sears, Roebuck sent a letter this month warning Mr. Brim that his site infringed on the chain's trade secrets and copyright. It gave him 48 hours to remove scanned copies of the Black Friday circulars for Kmart and Sears (now owned by Kmart) and a typed list of the deals from his site. He took down the ads, but he left the product lists up under the labels "Sbears" and "J+1Mart."

Mr. Brim said he believed that posting copies of the ads was a "legal gray area," adding, "It's not like we are posting pirated materials, just materials the public would see in a few weeks anyway."

But Andrew Beckerman-Rodau, co-director of the intellectual property program at the Suffolk University Law School in Boston, said the legal issue in such a case was black and white. "You cannot reproduce copyrighted material" without permission, he said.

Mr. Brim, a computer whiz whose classes include physics and multivariable calculus, is an unlikely figure to shake up American retailing. He rarely leaves campus to eat, let alone go to the mall.

Even though his site advertises hundreds of clothing deals, he does not, he says, pay any attention to fashion. Most days he runs from class back to his dorm to check on his Web site, snacking on a buffet of Pringles, Lucky Charms and Pepperidge Farm Milano cookies laid out on his bookshelf.

But Mr. Brim is obsessed with bargains. He recalls watching his mother and father debate which big-screen television to buy - a 42-inch model for $1,500 at Costco or a 65-inch version for $1,700 from a local electronics store. (They took the bigger one. "More bang for the buck," Mr. Brim said.)

When Dell offered a coupon for $750 off a computer purchase over $1,500 this summer, Mr. Brim bought six laptops, then sold them for a profit of $200 apiece.

Mr. Brim said the idea for the Black Friday Web site came to him three years ago when he discovered ads from retailers like Best Buy and Wal-Mart circulating in online forums well before Thanksgiving. Patient Web surfers could track down all the discounts if they had two hours to spend, but Mr. Brim wanted to organize the deals on a single site that would operate from mid-October to the end of November.

Bf2004.net, which Mr. Brim set up at home when he was a high school senior, described itself as "the ultimate collection of rumored" Black Friday deals. Mr. Brim said the site had cost roughly $600 to operate - $10 for the domain name and the rest to pay for computer servers. At first, he borrowed leaked circulars from the forums. But as the site gained a modest following (Mr. Brim estimated more than 200,000 visitors a week) it attracted what he wanted most: a steady stream of retail circulars.

Mr. Brim says he does not know the full identities of the leakers. Judging by the quality of the copies, which generally arrive as digital images or scanned copies, he suspects they are either from store employees or printing plant workers, neither of whom, he conceded, may be authorized to distribute the circulars.

Those who want to leak an ad have plenty of options. Besides Mr. Brim, there is Brad Olson, 26, who runs Gottadeal.com out of his parents' house near Milwaukee, and Alan Smolek, 21, who runs BlackFridayAds.com from his apartment near Chicago.

The three sites openly compete, like newspapers chasing the same news tip, to publish the contents of big circulars first. Gottadeal.com scored perhaps the season's biggest coup when Mr. Olson obtained a copy of Wal-Mart's Black Friday ad in late October.

Since then, Mr. Olson has been first to post the circulars of Best Buy, OfficeMax and Kohl's, among others. Mr. Brim was the first to post ads from Kmart, Toys "R" Us and Radio Shack. BlackFridayAds.com posted CompUSA.

Because the sites occasionally lift one another's circulars, each etches its name across every ad in capital letters. Gottadeal.com even inserted the image of the "Baywatch" star David Hasselhoff on Page 3 of this year's Sears circular as "an extra security measure," Mr. Olson said.

In 2004, both Sears and Home Depot asked Gottadeal.com to remove their circulars. Mr. Olson complied. But "the majority of stores don't care," he said. "It's free publicity for them."

Not all retailers see it that way. "We would rather the information not be out there," said Charles Hodges, a spokesman for Radio Shack. "We like to surprise people when they get their circulars in the mail."

Jerry Shields, a spokesman for Home Depot, said that by tipping off the public to Black Friday bargains weeks in advance, the Web sites "could enable competing retailers to react and change their plans."

Disclaimers on the three Black Friday Web sites warn that the discounts are speculation and rumor. But the warnings appear to be half-hearted. The "frequently asked questions" section of BlackFridayAds.com states archly, "We believe the deals posted to be very good guesses (wink, wink)."

Publicly, retail executives declined to confirm the accuracy of the circulars on the Black Friday sites. Several acknowledged, however, that they are correct and expressed dismay that either their own employees or outsiders hired to print the ads were leaking them.

"We wouldn't want this to become a habit, by any means," said Mr. Hodges, the Radio Shack spokesman.

Mr. Brim has already registered a new site for next holiday season. And he is still waiting for two big circulars this week to round out his 2005 collection: Circuit City and Target. His biggest fear is that a source will leak one of them while he is in class.

"In physics I'll be thinking about Black Friday," he said. "It's almost an obsession."
 
Wow! That article was amazing. Thanks for posting! I can't wait! This time next week I will be out with my best bud, having a blast!
 
I usually use bf2005 more than the other two sites.

BTW, I did see a Target info somewhere, and I can't remember which website it was.
 
Target info is on gottadeal dot com. If you haven't already seen it....The good news for me is Target will do a price adjustment if an item goes on sale w/in 14 days. So I went yesterday and bought everything I want (except one item which is not yet on their shelf) and will price adjust it on black friday after I've gone to the other places on my list! My target had lots of stuff in the ads available and you could see lots of stuff stocked up top of shelves in preparation. Kinda fun!!!
 
jennwdw said:
Target info is on gottadeal dot com. If you haven't already seen it....The good news for me is Target will do a price adjustment if an item goes on sale w/in 14 days. So I went yesterday and bought everything I want (except one item which is not yet on their shelf) and will price adjust it on black friday after I've gone to the other places on my list! My target had lots of stuff in the ads available and you could see lots of stuff stocked up top of shelves in preparation. Kinda fun!!!


What a GREAT idea...would have never thought of it....THANKS. I believe that target advertised several DVD's for really cheap I would love to have for stockings or our trip to disney (for the car)...
:cool1:
 
I am Laughing Out Loud... the site is run by a college freshman and he has THOUSANDS of Middle aged women checking him daily !!! Too funny.

(WARNING: I seem to recall LOTS of comlaints last year that either Target or WalMart would ONLY price adjust for BF that morning)
 
jennwdw said:
From Everything I've heard TRU no longer PM (they used too and I used to do what you are suggesting). I think WM varies from store to store and person to person. I would ask your WM and get the name of the mgr. that you speak w/if they say yes. I have no idea about the disney store.

Well, went into TRU today and asked at service desk if they're doing Price Adjusting and she said yes. These are on items bought at TRU within 14 days, and in order to receive the doorbuster/early riser specials, you must come in during those times with receipt. She also said that it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring the item in as well, or at least have it in the car, just in case.

I made sure to get her name, noticed on her badge said Since 1999, so she's been there awhile, hoping she told me correctly. Much much easier to buy what I want now then just wait in line at the service desk.
 
Saw something funny at Wallyworld today. They were bringing HUGE pallets of items like toys, electronics , etc and moving them around to variously unrelated parts of the store. Like toys by the kitchen goods, DVD's by the Automotive dept. Think they're getting ready for BF, just a heads up if you're going 1st thing in the morning with a specific item in mind. It may not be where it normally is.
 
CarolA said:
I am Laughing Out Loud... the site is run by a college freshman and he has THOUSANDS of Middle aged women checking him daily !!! Too funny.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Smart kid, this boy is surely going places
 

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