renter didn't pay and wants to cancel

[Dean]

I got my definition from DVC. As to whether its enforceable, not sure. I was not clear on the difference and contacted them. I am not sure the contract for members and for Disney is the same. But I could be wrong.

There is no legal definition in the POS, only a vague reference. Any definition would have to be voted on by the voting representatives and possibly the members at large if it negatively affected members. Any thoughts provided by MS or a guide would have no meaning in this situation. And there is nothing in the POS that would give Disney different rights than other members, not that it would be legal if there was. FL courts have previously said that condo developers cannot hold owners to different standards than they employ regarding renting, I would think that would translate to timeshares as well.

 

[rinkwide]

...FL courts have previously said that condo developers cannot hold owners to different standards than they employ regarding renting, I would think that would translate to timeshares as well...

Would you say DVC is fairly unique in the timeshare world such that it may actually hold some sort of commercial rental appeal and does this argument frequently arise regarding other developments?

 

[Dean]

Would you say DVC is fairly unique in the timeshare world such that it may actually hold some sort of commercial rental appeal and does this argument frequently arise regarding other developments?

Unique, maybe in some ways, not in others. Certainly not as much so as many DVC members think. As I noted, the issue that I know about is where a condo association tried to prevent owners from renting short term when they were doing so themselves. I'm told that the courts upheld the owners stating that the rules had to apply equally to all. Obviously a company like Disney still has a significant advantage in the actual rentals based on their market access and reservation management.

 

[Disney Doll]

I would cancel the reservation, as long as you don't lose any points or get "dinged" in any way. Are you far enough out so that they would go back into your regular account and not into any holding account???

If you want to be nice, send her back the money with a note saying that since she's been unreliable in terms of payment and making changes etc, you are cancelling the reservation you made for her, refunding whatever money she has sent you to date and have a nice day.

This is why I don't rent. Too much aggravation.

 

[rinkwide]

...Unique, maybe in some ways, not in others. Certainly not as much so as many DVC members think...

lol... DVC owners: We put the "my" in myopia.

 

[Sammie]

This is why I don't rent. Too much aggravation

I have to agree. I just don't think I could do it unless it was a close friend or relative. I would be nervous wreck worrying about damages.

 

[drakethib]

I wouldn't give back a dime.

Seems like you went through a bunch of hassle.

They should be happy that you are willing to give back $100. I think it is very nice of you.

 

[Dean]

I have to agree. I just don't think I could do it unless it was a close friend or relative. I would be nervous wreck worrying about damages.

The risk is likely higher, in more ways than one, with friends and relatives than with strangers.

 

[debbiedoo]

Why are you asking how much you should refund? If you CLEARLY stated NO REFUNDS and you can prove that you wrote that, then they are out the money.... that's it, too bad, so sad.... that's what they agreed to.

Totally agree. This is in my contracts.

 

[Smitty844]

Does anyone have a copy of a contract they could send me? Not that I am looking to rent out points anytime soon, but I am sure that it will happen sometime. I am new to DVC 160 points in August 05 and 150 points in February 06. I am sure there will be more added on at some point soon. I am sorry if I posted this in the wrong location, but I just felt that since the topic was just that this would be the perfect place to add this for all to benefit.

Regards
Smitty

 

[canda]

This is why I am not for renting to outsiders. I think it is ok to rent or give your points to people you know. but with all the post about rooms torn up and trash in rooms, who do you think is doing this. It is the renters.

 

[dianeschlicht]

This is why I am not for renting to outsiders. I think it is ok to rent or give your points to people you know. but with all the post about rooms torn up and trash in rooms, who do you think is doing this. It is the renters.

There's no way to prove that statement is true, but it does seem like owners would not want their dues to increase, so they would be more careful.

 

[rinkwide]

...with all the post about rooms torn up and trash in rooms, who do you think is doing this. It is the renters.

Nope, it's leprechauns. The little buggers stow themselves in the suitcases of Irish members and once they get to a DVC resort they never want to leave. (Helpful Hint: If you want to lessen their ability to do damage to the rooms don't leave beer in the fridge after check-out.)

 

[DebIreland]

Nope, it's leprechauns. The little buggers stow themselves in the suitcases of Irish members and once they get to a DVC resort they never want to leave. (Helpful Hint: If you want to lessen their ability to do damage to the rooms don't leave beer in the fridge after check-out.)

Well in that case imagine what the leprachauns who stow themselves in *my* luggage will do. I'm an Irish RENTER!!!!! Although in fairness, leftover beer? Not a chance! *Hiccup*

canda,
Charming post.

Looking forward to a good ol' room-thrasin' - we'll make it a family night! Even the kids can have a go. [Mental note: don't forget spray paint for some choice grafiti on BWV walls]. And once more with feeling.....

 

[Dean]

This is why I am not for renting to outsiders. I think it is ok to rent or give your points to people you know. but with all the post about rooms torn up and trash in rooms, who do you think is doing this. It is the renters.

I would challenge that position. I know of no supporting info for the assertion that renters are less likely to take care of a place than an "owner". The only specific info I have is that I have a friend who was the GM at Marriott's Grande Ocean resort and I posed this question to him. His impression was there was no difference between renter and "owner". He did feel age was an important factor. I know some want to use the logic of rental car vs owned, but in this situation, a DVC owner is no more than a renter. And my impression is they are even less likely to worry about damages than one who owns a fixed unit and therefore will get that same unit next time. I think the bottom line is some people just take better care of things than others. I also feel to blame one group of people without documentation is irresponsible.

 

[Sammie]

I would challenge that position. I know of no supporting info for the assertion that renters are less likely to take care of a place than an "owner". The only specific info I have is that I have a friend who was the GM at Marriott's Grande Ocean resort and I posed this question to him. His impression was there was no difference between renter and "owner". He did feel age was an important factor. I know some want to use the logic of rental car vs owned, but in this situation, a DVC owner is no more than a renter. And my impression is they are even less likely to worry about damages than one who owns a fixed unit and therefore will get that same unit next time. I think the bottom line is some people just take better care of things than others. I also feel to blame one group of people without documentation is irresponsible.

I agree that bad apples can exist in all barrels.

Knowing that as a member one is responsible for any damages to the unit caused by a renter, do most of you include that in your contracts. Damage responsiblity?

 

[Dean]

I agree that bad apples can exist in all barrels.

Knowing that as a member one is responsible for any damages to the unit caused by a renter, do most of you include that in your contracts. Damage responsiblity?

As I've noted previously, I don't have a formal contract per se. I'm more interested in making sure both parties understand than getting a paper signed. As I've also posted, I don't think a contract means anything other than to state the ins and outs. I doubt anyone would go to court over something such as this and if that's true, it would offer NO protection. And a contract that was very specific could actually be worse because anything left out and not covered or vague would likely go in favor of the other rentee. The risk of damages is limited, IMO, but part of the risk of renting for those of us that chose to do so.