READ POST 1 & 2 FIRST-Rise of the Resistance Boarding Group Planning and Information-*No Spoilers*

[Becky201068]

CM= cast member
You would have to go to a cm and sr if they can add the rest of the party that wasn't recognized to have tapped into the park

But those people probably have to be standing there to show the CM (thank you, btw!), and if they've left to try and get a boarding group, maybe it would take them a long time to re-enter the park right at 7:05?

 

[yulilin3]

But those people probably have to be standing there to show the CM (thank you, btw!), and if they've left to try and get a boarding group, maybe it would take them a long time to re-enter the park right at 7:05?

Exactly, they have to be there.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

If you have more people arriving on time than Disney can accommodate, then luck of the draw is the only option. The more I think about it, the more I think the current system is the best option. On less crowded days the early arrivals get the BGs, on days it’s insanely crowded and there are more early arrivals than spots available, it’s a lottery. And it’s not just a lottery in the sense of if you get a BG, but a lottery in the sense of if you get an early BG and are able to count on riding or not. If the ride breaks down and they don’t reach all the BGs, then what else can they do besides give you an FP for the following day? One thing that folks can do to give them a better chance of riding is not wait until the last day of their trip to try your luck at RotR.

I think if this continues moving to a true lottery system that doesn’t involve you wasting your time only to be shut out would be best. I would like to see them eliminate the need to be in the park if this continues. They could come up with some requirements and restrictions that prevent everyone from joining BG every day.

I think what’s being lost in this conversation in this thread (and I’m talking in general not just to your comment) is how expensive a day at Disney is and how infrequent it is for some. It is a big deal if an entire day is spent trying and failing to get on this attraction. It’s a big deal to completely change your plans to arrive at DHS very early trying to ride this but missing out or not getting on for 12+ hours. It’s a big deal to have to put much of your trip on hold to dedicate a chunk of time to try and ride this.

 

[mom2rtk]

They probably ought to just issue the BGs as FPs in advance. It doesn't even have to be 2 (or 3) months out. Maybe a week out or something? That way people can move on with other plans when they don't get one. I know it's new, and not that reliable. But there's no perfect answer.

I would sure love to see the numbers Disney has. Daily attendance and number per boarding group for starters. I have a hunch the local APs have made a difference the last couple of days. I'm really shocked the blackout was lifted so soon.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

They probably out to just issue the BGs as FPs in advance. It doesn't even have to be 2 (or 3) months out. Maybe a week out or something? That way people can move on with other plans when they don't get one. I know it's new, and not that reliable. But there's no perfect answer.

I would sure love to see the numbers Disney has. Daily attendance and number per boarding group for starters. I have a hunch the local APs have made a difference the last couple of days. I'm really shocked they were lifted so soon.

There is definitely no perfect answer.... I do think we have to see how this runs for a bit longer. We have the combination of holiday crowds and some annual Passholder blackouts being removed so may change a bit going forward

Plus we are like 2 weeks out from when Rise West opens at Disneyland and that could help split crowds a bit (I know some people, in this thread even, than came from California to ride it here) - this is the first of the two to open

If this is still how it is, with regular BGs gone in 90 secs like that first week of February (just picking a timeframe that "should" be lower crowds) then I think they need to revamp but it also might be just a handful of days that are this extreme

 

[yulilin3]

They probably ought to just issue the BGs as FPs in advance. It doesn't even have to be 2 (or 3) months out. Maybe a week out or something? That way people can move on with other plans when they don't get one. I know it's new, and not that reliable. But there's no perfect answer.

I would sure love to see the numbers Disney has. Daily attendance and number per boarding group for starters. I have a hunch the local APs have made a difference the last couple of days. I'm really shocked the blackout was lifted so soon.

Ap blackout dates are out way in advance, before Disney decided opening dates for the ride. They can't change them like they do with CM blackout dates

 

[mom2rtk]

There is definitely no perfect answer.... I do think we have to see how this runs for a bit longer. We have the combination of holiday crowds and some annual Passholder blackouts being removed so may change a bit going forward

Plus we are like 2 weeks out from when Rise West opens at Disneyland and that could help split crowds a bit (I know some people, in this thread even, than came from California to ride it here) - this is the first of the two to open

If this is still how it is, with regular BGs gone in 90 secs like that first week of February (just picking a timeframe that "should" be lower crowds) then I think they need to revamp but it also might be just a handful of days that are this extreme

I get that on a global scale. But people's vacations hit during that time and lots of people are going home very disappointed. People who can't just go back tomorrow, even with a free ticket.

 

[Becky201068]

Exactly, they have to be there.

So leaving the DHS might be a risky strategy. How about this? How about giving someone in another state (at home in Maryland!?) our log in information and asking them to try logging in at 7 and seeing if they can get a BG?

 

[Eastern]

I agree that morning lottery needs to be changed. Better than standing in line for 5 hours but it still stinks. Maybe lottery FP in advance. If people don't show up, they can make additional FP available or simply allow standby. The current setup makes for a stressful day where even a lucky (low) number can end up being a curse when the ride breaks down at 11am when you have been waiting an hour, you continue to wait an hour, then they send you on your way.

Better yet, don't open a ride to the public until you know it is working reliably.

 

[Eastern]

So leaving the DHS might be a risky strategy. How about this? How about giving someone in another state (at home in Maryland!?) our log in information and asking them to try logging in at 7 and seeing if they can get a BG?

I think that people have reported doing that.

 

[NoTime42]

I do think the combination of lingering holiday crowds and some of the Passholder blackouts now lifted is impacting things ... will be interesting how Monday shakes out as that might be more typical (but I think word is out so people know to show up a bit prior to park opening and are all trying to access at same time so while it might not be as bad I expect something not *that* different)

I’m not sure if I should be excited or concerned attempting to be one of those Monday guinea pigs

 

[mom2rtk]

Ap blackout dates are out way in advance, before Disney decided opening dates for the ride. They can't change them like they do with CM blackout dates

Yeah, I get that. But if they got creative they could find an approach. Maybe limit it to X rides per AP during the first month or two. They probably have all sorts of outs in the fine print.

 

[Eastern]

I can see this ride being like Test Track in that it will always break down randomly. I would say that out of our TT FPs we have gotten on the ride 50-75% of the time. The rest of the time it is down. Sometimes it comes back up, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes we can get back to it, sometimes we can't. And we have stood in line during a breakdown for an hour and been told, 'sorry, it's down', with no return FPs given.

 

[yulilin3]

So leaving the DHS might be a risky strategy. How about this? How about giving someone in another state (at home in Maryland!?) our log in information and asking them to try logging in at 7 and seeing if they can get a BG?

That has been done and someone reported it here, successfully.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

I think if this continues moving to a true lottery system that doesn’t involve you wasting your time only to be shut out would be best. I would like to see them eliminate the need to be in the park if this continues. They could come up with some requirements and restrictions that prevent everyone from joining BG every day.

I think what’s being lost in this conversation in this thread (and I’m talking in general not just to your comment) is how expensive a day at Disney is and how infrequent it is for some. It is a big deal if an entire day is spent trying and failing to get on this attraction. It’s a big deal to completely change your plans to arrive at DHS very early trying to ride this but missing out or not getting on for 12+ hours. It’s a big deal to have to put much of your trip on hold to dedicate a chunk of time to try and ride this.

To the bolded: I don’t think this would work as there would be people not even in Orlando joining BGs just for the smell of it. We see that now with Passholder exclusive events in the parks. Availability for those types of events is limited and they fill up very quickly.
Oftentimes within an hour of the release. I think many APs register for these events and then try to somehow adjust their work/school schedules to fit the date. Sadly, for those Passholder events, there is no way to cancel your reservation and open the spot up for someone else that wants it.

If they lifted the requirement of tapping in to the park before joining a BG, I think the only way to prevent people from joining just for the sake of joining would be to impose a monetary penalty similar to the no-show fee that ADRs have. Not likely to happen. More likely though (just a guess on my part) - if the ability to join a BG before entering the park ever returns (for this, or any other attraction) it would come with a price tag that guests would have to pay up front.

(Sorry to stray off topic)

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I agree that morning lottery needs to be changed. Better than standing in line for 5 hours but it still stinks. Maybe lottery FP in advance. If people don't show up, they can make additional FP available or simply allow standby. The current setup makes for a stressful day where even a lucky (low) number can end up being a curse when the ride breaks down at 11am when you have been waiting an hour, you continue to wait an hour, then they send you on your way.

Better yet, don't open a ride to the public until you know it is working reliably.

But they have to open the ride at some point - I mean, even rides that have been open for years have issues at times

To be honest, given how complex the attraction is it has been performing quite a bit better than I was expecting

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I get that on a global scale. But people's vacations hit during that time and lots of people are going home very disappointed. People who can't just go back tomorrow, even with a free ticket.

I get that and it sucks, it truly does - but no matter what system they used some people would be disappointed - just too much demand and not enough supply

 

[GADisneyDad14]

For some comedic relief, my son was just playing on his Chromebook and randomly brought this over to show me what he had made. They use Chromebooks at school and recently had lessons on the word processing program and finding images on the Internet (which I guess is what they teach kids these days?). Maybe the beginnings of a successful career in Disney sign making! lol...

 

[Bryan Burmeister]

I get that on a global scale. But people's vacations hit during that time and lots of people are going home very disappointed. People who can't just go back tomorrow, even with a free ticket.

If you are Disney and you have 30k+ people wanting to ride, but only capacity for 16k+ rides per day; what would you do to avoid creating the disappointment?

I'm honestly curious, because this type of thing happens across industries when new things are released. New iPhones, PS4, occulous quest, hot Xmas toys, school enrollment, etc.

To me, the solution is to properly set expectations. If you understand that you may not get to ride and why, then people can make an informed choice about whether to go that day. Disney should not be expected to magically remove the possibility of disappointment regarding rotr. It's up to the guests to do that themselves.

If instead people are feeling 100% entitlement to ride this ride on the day of their own choosing, of course they will likely be massively disappointed and possibly angry if they can't ride! To me, that is a selfish and naive way to look at this situation. Once you understand what Disney is dealing with, you can put things in perspective.

It's a testament to how awesome rotr is perceived to be that it can single handledly cause this disappointment. I don't see the same effect across other attractions when folks get shut out for whatever reason.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

To the bolded: I don’t think this would work as there would be people not even in Orlando joining BGs just for the smell of it. We see that now with Passholder exclusive events in the parks. Availability for those types of events is limited and they fill up very quickly.
Oftentimes within an hour of the release. I think many APs register for these events and then try to somehow adjust their work/school schedules to fit the date. Sadly, for those Passholder events, there is no way to cancel your reservation and open the spot up for someone else that wants it.

If they lifted the requirement of tapping in to the park before joining a BG, the only way to prevent people from joining just for the sake of joining would’ve to impose a monetary penalty similar to the no-show fee that ADRs have. Not likely to happen. More likely though (just a guess on my part) - if the ability to join a BG before entering the park ever returns (for this, or any other attraction) it would come with a price tag that guests would have to pay up front.

(Sorry to stray off topic)

I’m confident they could come up with some restrictions that prevent everybody from all over joining every day, if they wanted to that is.

It could be a FP+/BG hybrid. They already prevent date based ticket holders from booking FP unless they can actually be in the park, they could require a ticket for the appropriate date for joining a BG. I would think they could do something to restrict AP holders from successfully securing a BG more than once during X amount of time. When SWGE was opening at DLR, didn’t they have people sign up for reservations for the land in advance? Same kind of concept.

It would be far from perfect, but I think regular BG filling faster than you can solve a problem with their technology is not okay. Even if it’s just for 2 weeks surrounding a holiday, that is a ton of people who I would guess are more likely to be infrequent Disney guests who are majorly inconvenienced for one attraction.