? re: The Passion of the Christ (movie)

[Robinrs]

I can barely deal with the commercial!

I think I'll take everyone's word for it!

 

[chadfromdallas]

Subtitles and religious? esh....no thank you.

 

[*Robin*]

Originally posted by Tiggerlover91

I will DEFINETLY second this!!!


Some things will never cease to amaze me...sending whole schools?? Before the parents even have a chance to see it?

I am just floored.

JetMom said...

I have also read many articles about the glaring innaccuracies and anti-semitism of the movie written by historians and theologians. I am not enthusiastic about supporting the efforts of a Holocaust denyer who belongs to a sect that was excommunicated from the Catholic churh.

Thank you for having the courage to say something like this on this board! I couldn't agree more!

 

[AZKathy]

Originally posted by JetMom

I have also read many articles about the glaring innaccuracies and anti-semitism of the movie written by historians and theologians. I am not enthusiastic about supporting the efforts of a Holocaust denyer who belongs to a sect that was excommunicated from the Catholic churh.

I am sure that I will get flamed for this, but I had to speak my piece.

I just was watching the 700 Club last night on TV and Pat Robertson said it was very accurate to the Gospels. He also had a Jewish movie reviewer on and he said that is was not anti-semitic or anit-Roman. He also agreed that is was accurate to the Gospels.

I don't know Mel's history within the Catholic Church so I cannot address that part.

I guess we will see tomorrow when the movie opens. I plan on seeing it and judging it for myself!

 

[Dan Murphy]

Not much of a movie goer here (I think the last one I saw was Nemo ) and not much of an appreciator of violence in the various mediums (TV, movies, games) available today (probably why I view so little of it). From what I have heard on the radio (mostly talk show,WGN Radio, not too unlike the CB here), and read online, I won't be seeing this one.

I believe He died for us. I have learned the Bible stories (not a Bible reader, but product of 50-60's Catholic education and almost 60 years of being 'a Catholic'), have seen the 'cleaned up', prettified Hollywood versions of the Passion from years ago, know it was most likely a lot worse than what was depicted back then. But I do not have the need, for me to see this extremely violent portrayal of the Passion and Death of Jesus to help me appreciate His sacrifice. Now, that is just me speaking here, no recommendations for others.

On WGN, they spoke of Ebert's review (I think he is pretty good) and here is what he thought..............

I said the film is the most violent I have ever seen. It will probably be the most violent you have ever seen. This is not a criticism but an observation; the film is unsuitable for younger viewers, but works powerfully for those who can endure it. The MPAA's R rating is definitive proof that the organization either will never give the NC-17 rating for violence alone, or was intimidated by the subject matter. If it had been anyone other than Jesus up on that cross, I have a feeling that NC-17 would have been automatic....

Ebert review

I'm just not one for gratuitous (IMO) violence, language and sex as so often portrayed in today's 'entertainment'.

 

[phisigprincess]

Personally, I'm not at all surprised by the contreversy surrounding the film. Jesus was wildly contreversial when he was alive and has continued to be so throughout the years. Naturally, a film about his life would stir things up again. I'm just happy to see a film of some sort of substance. I can't think of the last time I went to a film and thought, wow, that film has staying power.

 

[missypie]

Read the review in Newsweek. I think it pretty accurately states what non-Christians (and many Christians) will think.

PARENTS REMEMBER: This is an R rated movie. If you would not take your kids to other R rated movies PLEASE do not take them to this one! It will be available in DVD when they are old enough.

We Americans are so baffling to Europeans and I think correctly so. We get so upset if our kids saw a few seconds of Janet Jackson's breast, but will take our kids to see an entire film full of terribly graphic violence.

Count me as another Christian who will never see this movie.

 

[DopeyRN]

This is one of those events in life that different people will see in a different light. For me personally, I am anxiously awaiting my viewing of it. I do not believe it to be gratuitous violence. My DH is frequently watching violent movies, which I will not watch because the movies coming out of Hollywood, IMHO ARE gratuitous violence. The sex and violence depicted in so many movies today are numbing this country. We do not even blink an eye. This movie is not from Hollywood...they would not touch it.

Mel Gibson is a part of a faction of the Catholic church which has separated from mainstream. They do not believe in Vatican 2...still have Latin masses etc. However, Mr Gibson has never denied the Holocaust as far as I am aware...but I believe his father has.

Many Jewish leaders are saying this movie is NOT anti-semetic, but they fear the anti-semetism could RESULT from the film, but that would be extremists bringing it about, not Mr Gibson.

I think this, as everything else in life, is something that must be approached in a personal way...if someone does not wish to see it, that is fine. If someone wants to see it 10 times, that is fine. But I personally believe...again my personal belief (disclaimer read)... that our world is falling apart...that people sin and do not even see it as sin anymore. I think this movie could be a catalyst of conversion of this world.

My 2 cents.... Dan, thanks for the link to Eberts review...it was very interesting and thought provoking.

 

[Tinks]

DopeyRN...I 100% agree with everything you posted.

I am, frankly, confused at some other opinions. Some others must not have watched Mel interviewed. He is so obviously NOT anti-semitic nor does he or has he ever questioned the events of the holocaust...that was his father. We are all entitled to our views...be they uninformed or not.

 

[Tiggerlover91]

Originally posted by *Robin*
I will DEFINETLY second this!!!

*Robin*, please understand what my confused and sad smilies were all about. They WERE NOT about schools taking children to see this movie before the parents get to see it, if you had seen what I quoted.....Originally posted by DopeyRN
I have heard of adults being sick to their stomach. This will be something difficult to watch...and I am thinking the best 2 hours ever spent. that is what the smilies were in reference to.

It saddens me to hear this movie is so emotionally disturbing that adults are passing out and/or getting sick to their stomach. I am however, still going to see this movie. I love our Messiah and everything He has done for me and is still doing for me. I will have my DH there with me, so if it becomes too much, I will just use him for support.

 

[Crankyshank]

I plan on seeing this movie. I'm very interested in how the subject matter is handled, especially from a historical perspective.

From what I've read, and based on what I was taught in my many years of Catholic school, I don't feel that this movie is anti-semitic, but without seeing the movie I can't really give my accurate opinion.

As far as denying the holocaust, that was Mr Gibson's father. Last time I checked, I'm not accountable for what my Father says - I would imagine the same holds true for Mel Gibson. Celebrity and all.

 

[Tiggerlover91]

Originally posted by Crankyshank
Last time I checked, I'm not accountable for what my Father says - I would imagine the same holds true for Mel Gibson. Celebrity and all.

EXCELLENT POINT....EXCELLENT!!!!!

 

[pw2pp]

I am not enthusiastic about supporting the efforts of a Holocaust denyer

Mel Gibson is not a Holocause denyer. His father is, but he is not.

Quote from Mel Gibson (from interview with Diane Sawyer on Prime Time Live):
"Do I believe that there were concentration camps where defenseless and innocent Jews died cruelly under the Nazi regime? Of course I do; absolutely," he said. "It was an atrocity of monumental proportion."

Here is the link to the interview:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/mel_gibson_passion_040216-1.html

 

[Disney Doll]

I have read with interest all the recent threads on this board,and other discussion boards, about this movie. I am reminded of the words of James A. Francis, creator of the essay "One Solitary Life":

"...all the armies that ever marched, all the navies that were ever built, all the Parliaments that ever sat, and all the kings that have ever reigned, put together, have not affeted the life of man upon this earth as powerfully as the One Solitary Life."

Here we are 2000+ years later, discussing the effect of a movie about the Crucifixion of Christ. Interesting...

 

[*Robin*]

Originally posted by Tiggerlover91
what I quoted.....Originally posted by DopeyRN
I have heard of adults being sick to their stomach. This will be something difficult to watch...and I am thinking the best 2 hours ever spent. that is what the smilies were in reference to.
.

I know. I read the post, and I read your post. I also posted personal views in that same post. I'm sorry if that confused you.

 

[CRB#33]

The woman who plays Mary, the mother of Jesus is Jewish and she was in full support of this movie and has stated that she feels it is not anti-semetic.

I have read things that this movie is pretty Biblically acurate. Some details are obviously conjecture (like what goes through Mother Mary's mind) and some conclusions are drawn based on the best scholarly historical information we have.

Thank you to all who clarified without a doubt that Mel Gibson IS NOT a holocaust denier.

As for his denomination, it matters not. One God. One Saviour.

The bottom line:

It's about the MESSAGE, not the messenger.

As horrible as it may be to watch, all I can think of is, if Jesus can suffer through what He did for me, the least I can do is experience it the best I can in this day.

 

[Garth]

Originally posted by Dan Murphy
Not much of a movie goer here (I think the last one I saw was Nemo ) and not much of an appreciator of violence in the various mediums (TV, movies, games) available today (probably why I view so little of it). From what I have heard on the radio (mostly talk show,WGN Radio, not too unlike the CB here), and read online, I won't be seeing this one.

I believe He died for us. I have learned the Bible stories (not a Bible reader, but product of 50-60's Catholic education and almost 60 years of being 'a Catholic'), have seen the 'cleaned up', prettified Hollywood versions of the Passion from years ago, know it was most likely a lot worse than what was depicted back then. But I do not have the need, for me to see this extremely violent portrayal of the Passion and Death of Jesus to help me appreciate His sacrifice. Now, that is just me speaking here, no recommendations for others.

On WGN, they spoke of Ebert's review (I think he is pretty good) and here is what he thought.............. Ebert review

I'm just not one for gratuitous (IMO) violence, language and sex as so often portrayed in today's 'entertainment'.

I haven't posted here for a while, but I thought I would comment about Eberts review of 'The Passion' and give my take on the violence aspect of this film.

I am not one for gratuitous violence either. However...

This past weekend I watched "Saving Private Ryan" with my 16-year-old son who is studying WWII in history class. If you have seen that film you may remeber how gruesome the opening scene of D-Day is. You may also remember that many WWII veterans said that "Saving Private Ryan" was the most accurate and realistic portrayal of what it was like to be part of the D-Day invasion. For my part, I was emotionally drained at the end of "Ryan"... just seeing and experiencing how hundreds, if not thousands, lost their lives that day -- the sheer horror of the combat. I have seen many other WWII films in the past, but the realism of "Ryan" gave me a new appreciation for the sacrifice made by that generation and especially those that fought and lost their lives in order to make the U.S. and the world free.

So now, after seeing "Private Ryan" and now anticipating "The Passion," I am drawn to the parallel between my grateful appreciation of these fallen men of WWII and the thankful love I feel for my Saviour, Jesus Christ, whom my sin helped to put on that cross.

I'm going to see this movie with my family because sometimes I need to be motivated to live my life with the thankfulness and honor that my Saviour deserves -- he who paid the ultimate price by giving his life so that I could live.

 

[stamper]

Here is a link to a review of The Passion Originally thought to be written by Paul Harvey, but really written by a Congressional lawyer.

DH and I will be going. May need to bring a supply of tissues. DD13 may see it later, after we have pre-viewed it. DS can see it on DVD when he is much older.

I am no fan of violence in movies/tv shows, but like the we must not forget the sacrifices of fallen soldiers or the victims of the Holocaust....we must NOT forget what Jesus did for us and we need to realize what it really was like. At Easter we talk about how He was nailed to a cross and bled and died for us. Ok, that's good, it means something and I appreciate it. But I didn't see it or experience it. Now we have the chance to see pretty closely what it was like and what He went through for us...for you, for me. Maybe after seeing that, we'll each appreciate it more, live for Him and share His love with others. "A picture is worth a thousand words". In a film there are many pictures one after another....think of how many words that equals!

 

[Crankyshank]

I'm just not one for gratuitous (IMO) violence, language and sex as so often portrayed in today's 'entertainment'.

I'm a bit confused at how an accurate depiction, or any depiction, of the Passion would be gratuitous violence. IMHO, to gloss over the pain and suffering and the horrors of crucifixion is doing a disservice to the audience and to the historical integrity of the story.

As difficult as it is to watch, I think it will give many a new appreciation of just how much Jesus suffered for our sins.

 

[Towncrier]

Our church service has been running a "commercial" for this film for the past four weeks thiny disguised as our normal worship service. Any interest I had in seeing the film has been completely removed by the powers in our church who have been rubbing this film in my face. If I hear one more time how Mel Gibson put $30 million of his own money into this film, I think that I'll explode. He's a shrewd man. The amount of free publicity for this film has been amazing. This film is going to make a lot of money for Mel Gibson. I smell a sequel.

I for one am waiting for the DVD extended edition, complete with director's commentary and a blooper reel.

This is one preacher's kid who is definitely going to be avoiding the theaters until all the hype blows over.