Purchase Not Finance DVC

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Not choosy about a "home" resort, and I need a ballpark figure/goal to shoot for in my savings.

We like to go for 2 weeks and since I'm a teacher, summer or Christmas vacation are my options.
 
How many of you? Do you want to cook in your villa?

This is probably the easiest DVC question to answer so you may want to investigate the harder ones like dues and use years first.
 
Do you go for a week at Christmas and a week during the summer?

Can you also go during Spring Break

Look at the point charts. They tell you the points you need.

If you go 2 separate weeks every year I would buy 2 separate contracts. One with the points for the summer trip and one with enough points for Christmas or Spring Break.

I would also probably select 2 different resorts.

My preference was to keep my contracts under 200 points but in your circumstances and I was sure I was going 2 different weeks a year I would buy 2 contracts with the points I need.
 
How many of you? Do you want to cook in your villa?

This is probably the easiest DVC question to answer so you may want to investigate the harder ones like dues and use years first.
Two of us. I would love to be able to cook breakfast before going to the parks.
 

Do you go for a week at Christmas and a week during the summer?

Can you also go during Spring Break

Look at the point charts. They tell you the points you need.

If you go 2 separate weeks every year I would buy 2 separate contracts. One with the points for the summer trip and one with enough points for Christmas or Spring Break.

I would also probably select 2 different resorts.

My preference was to keep my contracts under 200 points but in your circumstances and I was sure I was going 2 different weeks a year I would buy 2 contracts with the points I need.
I would have never thought of buying 2 contracts. Thank you!
 
There are thousands upon thousands of options and permutations, but a 1 bed villa with full kitchen for two weeks in July/Aug is around 380 points and you'd probably hope to buy those at $80ppt = $30,400 with annuals dues of circa $3800 increasing each year. There are much cheaper options and much more expensive options. If you only went every other year then you only need half the points (or a third if every 3 years).
 
Here is what I considered

Room type we wanted
When would we normally travel
Would we book at 11 months or never before 7 months
Which resorts we were interested in and what did their point chart and availability look like
Did the expiration date matter if so how much
Was I comfortable with larger contracts or smaller multiple contracts

I am sure I am leaving something out but that covers a lot of it

I never considered direct
 
There are thousands upon thousands of options and permutations, but a 1 bed villa with full kitchen for two weeks in July/Aug is around 380 points and you'd probably hope to buy those at $80ppt = $30,400 with annuals dues of circa $3800 increasing each year. There are much cheaper options and much more expensive options. If you only went every other year then you only need half the points (or a third if every 3 years).
It's those thousands upon thousands that keep me from pursuing it. I budget but I budget very straightforwardly. The variables in this throw me off.
 
Christmas week is in the highest season but summer has been lowered which is nice.

Simply breakfast can be done in a studio with the microwave and with just two, it’s a nice way to start.

Resorts make a difference in number of points needed. If you are not particular, I think SSR is a great option as it’s chart is nice, expires in 2054, and the dues are decent.

Plus, it’s close to Disney springs which is another nice option if you aren’t in the parks until close.

A studio there would run 102 to 171point for your travel times and includes SV and PV options.
 
Not to start the great debate over financing or not, but everyone's circumstance is different, so depending on your particular circumstance, financing might not be as bad as it would otherwise seem. I will use my wife and me as the example. We did not intend to ever finance, but we ended up doing so, on 2 separate purchases, and we are very glad we did. A big factor not mentioned as much is with looking at financing (and "throwing away money on interest") is how long it will likely take to save the money and the two important factors - (1) what the prices of points will do during that time, and (2) whether and to what extent you will take WDW vacations in the interim.

Now, the first question is obviously a hot topic of debate on these boards (with multiple threads), so I won't get into that, but will just use several examples. I will also avoid the debate as to direct vs. resale and will just use a few examples from each, and specifically our example purchasing direct.

So, first, I'll look at direct for examples, since that's actually the easier one to evaluate. I think there's very little question that direct prices will continue to increase. Obviously things could dip a bit and DVC could offer some better incentives, but for the most part, the price per point from DVC directly will increase. So, depending on how long it will take to save to purchase such a contract, a strong consideration between financing or not is what the prices will do during that time. If someone can save up in a year to buy it, probably not a big deal. Five years, however, could have a much larger impact. For example, if it takes five years to save the money to purchase, how much is really being saved on interest if you're paying more for the points. It's likely there's still some savings, but it might not be as much as it appears on its face.

Our 2nd, add on contract is an example of this math (not a great example of the actual price changes since we took advantage of unusually generous incentives - more in a second). We bought our first contract (118 point Guaranteed Week at Copper Creek) in spring 2019. We quickly realized we wanted to add more points (which we knew we would eventually anyway, it just hits quicker than you'd think), but we wanted to wait and pay off or substantially pay down the first contract, which we intended to do within a few years - certainly not the 10 year financing term. However, we decided to add a 200-point contract (Riviera) in August 2020 because the incentives were so good, and we were able to get it for $160/pt. Our loan is for 8.9%. This second loan obviously has caused us to slow down on paying off the first one, but at our current rate of extra payments, that should be done by next year. Nevertheless, I anticipate we pay off this second loan in 5 or 6 years total, especially once Loan #1 is paid off. I'll use the 6 year figure (and will use rough estimates). In this example, if we paid it off in 6 years, we'll likely pay about $9k in interest (probably a bit higher because of the initial 10 year amortization, but for simplicity). Even if we looked at current prices, with incentives, for the same contract, that contract would cost $8,200 more. So, for this specific example, it's actually not as substantial a difference as it might otherwise seem. Plus, we've been able to use 800 points for vacations since that time (through our '22 Use Year points - so we have a trip in 2 months that use them). This is likely a more extreme example, but it's an easier one to look at.

Resale, for factor #1 is a little harder to evaluate, given the current uncertainty over resale prices. It could end up being that waiting will save money, thus, all the more reason not to spend money on interest.

That leads to factor #2 - what will you do in the mean time. For us, while we would not have traveled to WDW as much as we have with the points at our disposal, we certainly would have still gone at least once a year and still would have stayed in a Deluxe. So depending whether someone would be going on WDW trips anyway during the time of saving towards the DVC purchase makes a big difference. Rather than pay for hotel rooms during this time, we've been able to use the points we purchased, so have saved money, to some degree, on the trips themselves.

Again, everyone's circumstances are different, but I just wanted to illustrate (and to some degree defend our own personal decision to buck common financial advice) that there are scenarios in which financing may not be as bad as it seems at first blush. For us - we knew we were going to buy DVC, we knew we were going to continue taking trips to WDW regardless of when we purchased, we had specific resorts and contracts we wanted, we could afford the monthly payments as well as additional principal payments, but it would take us at least several years to save for an all cash purchase (especially with paying for cash vacations in the interim).
 
It's those thousands upon thousands that keep me from pursuing it. I budget but I budget very straightforwardly. The variables in this throw me off.
I found it difficult also.

I was lucky in that I had a couple of sources of deferred income coming to me so the savings were automatic
 
It's those thousands upon thousands that keep me from pursuing it. I budget but I budget very straightforwardly. The variables in this throw me off.
Yep. I think that you need to do some investigations on your own first. The board sponsor has lots of great resources like points charts, room layouts, resort info, etc. Find what would work for you then start looking at the costs of that.
 
We bought before having our daughter and once she was born we were stuck with your same kind of dates. When you can go really depends on your school district. My daughter's school district didn't start school until after Labor Day so we were able to go in late August. It broke for Christmas in late December (like 12/21) but didn't come back usually until the first full week in January. So, we would go for NYE and then take advantage of lower points in January. Spring break was always the week before Easter and was always a mess. It also didn't let out until June, so we missed going in May.

I would look at each of the weeks that you think you would go and find a point chart for the resorts you are considering buying. It sounds like you'll be OK with a studio for now (we were). We own 300 points (200 BWV, 100 AKV) and that's certainly enough for 2 weeks, even if one of them is around Christmas/New Years.

One thing I would advise against is using the cheaper villas at certain resorts as a cost basis. Value rooms at AKV and standard rooms at BWV, standard rooms at BLT go at 11-month window if not sooner. If you don't think you can plan a more than a year ahead it's best to use the more expensive rooms to determine how many points you need.
 
Point charts are cool, but much easier and straightforward to use a points calculator like this one
https://dvcrequest.com/dvc-guests/cost-calculator

Put in different date ranges and it shows you the point cost for every resort and room type instantly. Invaluable to me when I was trying to figure out how many points we needed for the weeks we like to travel. I still use it all the time.
 
Not choosy about a "home" resort, and I need a ballpark figure/goal to shoot for in my savings.

We like to go for 2 weeks and since I'm a teacher, summer or Christmas vacation are my options.
Buy 500 SSR you are good to go.
It’s enough points to stay in a one bedroom twice a year (250 per stay) at most times (AKV savanna view 1 bd or BCV 1 bed are both about 250 points in summer).

Probably need to stay in a studio at Xmas and a 1 bedroom in the summer. 500 points provide lots of flexibility. Your desire to visit at Xmas may require more points as that is peak points.
Good luck
 















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