Practice makes a little better...Warning- Fire!

Gdad

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Still far from perfect of course but I was going thru some old pictures and thought I would share.

2006 - Sony P&S (These looked really good in the LCD- I remember.)

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2007 - First DSLR

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2008 - Latest DSLR

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And my favorite- inspired by Mark Barbieri ;)

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What a difference in such a short time. I'm loving your new D700, Jeff. Those last few are outstanding
 
And my favorite- inspired by Mark Barbieri ;)

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I'm going to assume that you were inspired by a similar picture that I took rather than me somehow inspiring you to take pictures of men's backsides.:scared1:

Great picks. I'm really impressed with the dynamic range. I don't think that I got nearly as much detail in the flames. The joy in seeing them helps overcome my annoyance at the fact that you have more photographic talent, spend way more time at WDW, and now have better equipment than I do.

Oh, I'd clone out that light spot between his leg and his arm.
 
wow, really does make a difference! great shots,love the way you can see the blue in the flames.... although it would seem to put a little bit of fuel on the "is it the camera or photographer" wood pile ;)
 

I'm going to assume that you were inspired by a similar picture that I took rather than me somehow inspiring you to take pictures of men's backsides.:scared1:

If you wish to assume that then I understand Mark. :rotfl:

yah know, no offense to anyone here or at wdw but ya'd think they could have a little more viewer friendly pose for that trick:rotfl2:

Art is not always pretty Jann. ;)
 
Very impressive pictures.
were the 2008 photos taken with a handheld camera or on a monopod? or with a VR lens?
 
No doubt there's more DR at work here - but I also wonder how much of this is a simple matter of exposure? If you look at the series of old to new photos, you'll notice that each one is exposed less. The exif data shows -1.0 exposure compensation, which was certainly a key element in getting the photo quality we see on display here - it meant some fire detail, the dancer himself is not blown out (no pun intended!), and you see no background whatsoever, unlike the earlier photos. The D300 shots have no problem with focus or blur (ok, may a little in the first, but I'm sure that could be overcome), they're just overexposed (as any camera, including the D700, will do in such a situation, hence the EC setting.)

Of course, the problem is that you need to quickly adjust the EC for the firedancer then adjust it back for the rest of the show. Ah, the life of a long-suffering WDW photography enthusiast. :rotfl2:

Skipping the technical analysis, though, they're certainly the best shots of the firedancing in FotLK that I've yet seen! Please don't pick up a full-frame fisheye, I want to continue to be a specialist in at least one form of WDW photography. :lmao:
 
Very impressive pictures.
were the 2008 photos taken with a handheld camera or on a monopod? or with a VR lens?

Thanks- taken handheld with non-vr lens. (180mm f2.8 Prime)
 
Out of curiosity with the DR observations I went back and looked at the original RAW files from the '07 pictures. They were taken with a D70 & 105/2.8 lens. They were all shot at a +0.7EV probably because that camera tended to underexpose somewhat and that was pretty much how it was always set. The shot below wat the least overexposed of the bunch and still has no real detail in the flames.

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Does this prove that it really is the equipment and not the photographer? ;)
 
I think it proves I was taking pictures of men's backsides before I knew Mark.

Sitting in the Warthog section gives a somewhat less questionable point of view: ;)

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Out of curiosity with the DR observations I went back and looked at the original RAW files from the '07 pictures. They were taken with a D70 & 105/2.8 lens. They were all shot at a +0.7EV probably because that camera tended to underexpose somewhat and that was pretty much how it was always set. The shot below wat the least overexposed of the bunch and still has no real detail in the flames.
Not to drag out such things, but the somewhat unnatural coloring in that middle right flame is a dead giveaway that the highlights there were blown... no amount of adjustment is going to get it back.

(Forgive my technical side coming out here with this discussion!)

Also out of my own curiosity, I checked my shots of FotLK's fire dancer (which were pretty bad across the board - I was holding a sleeping kid at the time, for goodness sake!) and I got fairly inconsistent exposures, probably due to spot metering. If the flames were in the "spot", the exposure varied greatly from if the body was in the spot. I also had a +1.5, I think this was for the rest of the show. Obviously it's not a bad idea to flip this to a -1 for the fire scene.

Here's the shot that is most close in terms of exposure to your finest ones. (And don't get me wrong - this photo is pretty bad, it didn't "make the cut" so I didn't spend time on it, but with some raw processing, I might be able to extract a little more detail from the highlights. On the other hand, it has the head, not the rump. :lmao: ) I think it's got a pretty fair amount of fire detail, all things considered - and it is, I think, still more exposed than your "flaming butt shot". ;) In fact, that shot is the same aperture but a half-stop higher ISO and twice as slow of a shutter speed - that's a full 1.5 exposure steps by my math, and we can assume pretty consistent lighting for this performance, I'd say.

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I'd say, break out the ol' D300 (if you still have it) and I bet you could get pretty comparable shots to the ones you just got. :thumbsup2
 
Some of the recent posts brings up a couple questions I have. First and easiest, what section were you sitting in most recently to get that angle Jeff? And second, (and definitely more technical) how do you set your camera for something like that?? Do you set the shutter speed as fast as it will go and try to only have +1 on the exposure? Or do you shoot for -1? :confused3 I'm obviously still trying to figure out exposure, etc. :rolleyes1
 







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