Plans have been filed for DVC expansion at Caribbean Beach Resort

[Irish_Mike]

Hopefully Disney eventually opts for a better solution than "Hot dog carts", even if it's offering guests transportation to some nearby resorts like they did for the All Stars when one of their food courts was closed.

Of course, they probably won't. But hey, a guy can dream.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Hopefully Disney eventually opts for a better solution than "Hot dog carts", even if it's offering guests transportation to some nearby resorts like they did for the All Stars when one of their food courts was closed.

Of course, they probably won't. But hey, a guy can dream.

Honestly...they should shut it down...at least until the food is back up.

That was the right call years ago...and it was the right call now.

Heck...we used the example of port Orleans last year...not only did they have "swing space"...they had Dixie 4 minutes away and a boat to 50 more restaurants...

 

[PuppyJonathan]

Of course I go to this resort and the food court is closed. If Disney is listening, you can make it up to me with avatar softs.

Will the resort mugs be available still, my mom asked and I said yes without knowing the real answer. I assumed yes and for pizza delivery

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Of course I go to this resort and the food court is closed. If Disney is listening, you can make it up to me with avatar softs.

Will the resort mugs be available still, my mom asked and I said yes without knowing the real answer. I assumed yes and for pizza delivery

Bail...if I'm honest

 

[Irish_Mike]

Honestly...they should shut it down...at least until the food is back up.

Ideally, they would have started this project earlier, they would have done it piecemeal. Half of us could probably make better decisions that help ensure guest satisfaction.

Side note: I fully expect to see the hurricane lunch boxes makes a return at these grab and go venues around the resort. Cause Disney know people will pay for them.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Ideally, they would have started this project earlier, they would have done it piecemeal. Half of us could probably make better decisions that help ensure guest satisfaction.

Side note: I fully expect to see the hurricane lunch boxes makes a return at these grab and go venues around the resort. Cause Disney know people will pay for them.

Those lunch boxes better be floating in actual hurricanes

 

[Irish_Mike]

Those lunch boxes better be floating in actual hurricanes

We should use them to start a bonfire in protest.

 

[PuppyJonathan]

Bail...if I'm honest

We're only not because it's not like we're going to eat at the resort that much :shrug:

 

[lockedoutlogic]

We're only not because it's not like we're going to eat at the resort that much :shrug:

Doesn't mean you can't raise it and get to yacht club...

Just as easy to "not eat" there too.

 

[Sweettears]

He will parachute out as soon as he feels he can't drain the reserves to get the stock price up one penny more...could be tomorrow, six months, or six years from now.

This is not hard to figure out...that's it.

Here's what's REALLY alarming...they can't find a successor?

A billion dollar pay package to run the second most valuable entertainment conglomerate with one of the most revered and recognized names on earth?

No? No takers? You're ok staying at the Apple Store for $11.59 an hour?

That's the real story...anybody with some business experience would jump at the chance.

Which means they are NOT looking. This is eisner x2

I'm not so sure that it's that they can't find a successor as that they haven't looked too hard. When you have a CEO that basically controls a board the succession process isn't quite fluid.

One thing that strikes me with Igor (pun intended) delaying his stepping down is that he hasn't created his legacy (at least a positive one). The desire to feed an ego could be one explanation behind the flurry of activity and expansion ideas.

I know we have talked about it before, and my memory could be clouded, but didn't the expansion of resort properties provide a boost to Eisner at one point? If you have no new ideas might as well resort to the playbook.

 

[Irish_Mike]

One thing that strikes me with Igor delaying his stepping down is that he hasn't created his legacy (at least a positive one). The desire to feed an ego could be one explanation behind the flurry of activity and expansion ideas.

See, I don't believe that. The guy led the acquisition of Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilms; oversaw the development and opening of Fantasyland, Shanghai Disney (Ehh...), DTD overhaul, Pandora, and what appears to be Toy Story Land and potentially Star Wars Land.

Iger certainly hasn't been an entirely successful leader, but I wouldn't say he hasn't had a positive legacy on the overall Disney name. He's certainly helped grow the company and fix some of the issues from Eisner.

I will say I agree with the second part of the sentence though - there seems to have been a lot of projects announced recently that have been rumored for a while. Though I'm not sure how much that goes back to the legacy question.

 

[PuppyJonathan]

One thing that strikes me with Igor (pun intended) delaying his stepping down is that he hasn't created his legacy (at least a positive one). The desire to feed an ego could be one explanation behind the flurry of activity and expansion ideas.

Again this is me speaking more so as a fan of the film side than of the parks side, Iger has a legacy in Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar. He has one I just doubt people want to look into it because the views are only directed towards WDW and not the company as a whole. Say what you want about that but that's just what I've seen

Doesn't mean you can't raise it and get to yacht club...

Just as easy to "not eat" there too.

I would if I had the money... I should call them and ask what are we peasants supposed to do but I'm busy tomorrow

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm not so sure that it's that they can't find a successor as that they haven't looked too hard. When you have a CEO that basically controls a board the succession process isn't quite fluid.

One thing that strikes me with Igor (pun intended) delaying his stepping down is that he hasn't created his legacy (at least a positive one). The desire to feed an ego could be one explanation behind the flurry of activity and expansion ideas.

I know we have talked about it before, and my memory could be clouded, but didn't the expansion of resort properties provide a boost to Eisner at one point? If you have no new ideas might as well resort to the playbook.

Exaclty...


And yes...the growth of Disney after the bottom out in 1984 rapidly gave eisner enormous street cred...not only over his board but also over his shareholders...it allowed him the ability to over expand WDW (his favorite) in about 10 years. It allowed him to plow through the problematic Paris project...and ak - which the board didn't particularly like (zoos are trouble and always will be)...and nearly got him his dream park in Virginia. He also got to overpay for abc - which brought us iger and was viewed as a horrid overpayment at the time.

That doesn't happen if he hadn't turned the movies around, if animation hadnt come back, and Disney didn't boom as a marketing force...that doesn't happen.

 

[rteetz]

I'm not so sure that it's that they can't find a successor as that they haven't looked too hard. When you have a CEO that basically controls a board the succession process isn't quite fluid.

One thing that strikes me with Igor (pun intended) delaying his stepping down is that he hasn't created his legacy (at least a positive one). The desire to feed an ego could be one explanation behind the flurry of activity and expansion ideas.

I know we have talked about it before, and my memory could be clouded, but didn't the expansion of resort properties provide a boost to Eisner at one point? If you have no new ideas might as well resort to the playbook.

Well I'm in the middle of Disney war.

Eisner came into the company and found out right away that theme parks were a pure money maker for Disney and a constant stream of revenue. His first act was raising ticket prices. Back in the 80s the raise wasn't much of anything and nobody except Dick Nunis was opposed.

Fast forward to EuroDisneyland. Eisner was in love with the the idea of a Paris park. He pushed for it to be an amazing park while Wells helped keep him in line. Eisner had some crazy ideas, including a Disney branded restaurant that would have locations across the country. Wells was always the one there to keep him in check.

The swan and dolphin project was a big part of "Disney's expansion" in Florida. Eisner had a competition with architects to come up with the best design. Michael Graves won out and Tishman wasn't exactly pleased but they went forward. Graves also worked on the Parks project. Eisner loved the architect who did yacht and beach too. Eisner always would stay at yacht when at WDW and that architect worked on the parks project.

Sorry a lot of rambling but I suggest a read of the book if you haven't read it. Eisner always saw Theme parks as that safe spot unlike TV and film which weren't as safe and his beef mid career with Katzenburg.

Disney needs to go back to the two person model. Walt and Roy or Eisner and Wells is what worked best. It all went downhill when Wells died. Eisner even had heart surgery right after that.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I would if I had the money... I should call them and ask what are we peasants supposed to do but I'm busy tomorrow

I wasn't suggesting you raise money...I was saying raise hell. Which is becoming such a lost art.

 

[Sweettears]

See, I don't believe that. The guy led the acquisition of Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilms; oversaw the development and opening of Fantasyland, Shanghai Disney (Ehh...), DTD overhaul, Pandora, and what appears to be Toy Story Land and potentially Star Wars Land.

Iger certainly hasn't been an entirely successful leader, but I wouldn't say he hasn't had a positive legacy on the overall Disney name. He's certainly helped grow the company and fix some of the issues from Eisner.

I will say I agree with the second part of the sentence though - there seems to have been a lot of projects announced recently that have been rumored for a while. Though I'm not sure how much that goes back to the legacy question.

Granted he fixed the Pixar issue but the other acquisitions, park expansions haven't proven to be a success at this point in time. Eisner started the expansion outside the US. Iger's efforts are a continuation of that strategy. The long term success of these properties has yet to be determined. Don't underestimate the power of ego that says if we can expand to Europe we can conquer Asia.

As far as the WDW expansions are concerned I think we should wait and see. Toy Story Land for one seems to be greatly diminished from its original concept. Everything being developed now seems to have an element of let's get it done sooner rather than later all of a sudden. This is what makes me tie it into Iger's term as CEO that was supposed to be ending.

 

[rteetz]

Exaclty...


And yes...the growth of Disney after the bottom out in 1984 rapidly gave eisner enormous street cred...not only over his board but also over his shareholders...it allowed him the ability to over expand WDW (his favorite) in about 10 years. It allowed him to plow through the problematic Paris project...and ak - which the board didn't particularly like (zoos are trouble and always will be)...and nearly got him his dream park in Virginia. He also got to overpay for abc - which brought us iger and was viewed as a horrid overpayment at the time.

That doesn't happen if he hadn't turned the movies around, if animation hadnt come back, and Disney didn't boom as a marketing force...that doesn't happen.

Paris was really Eisners first big failure with Disney. When Wells died Eisner even went as far as wanting to put his wife on the Disney board. People thought he was nuts and put a stop to that.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Well I'm in the middle of Disney war.

Eisner came into the company and found out right away that theme parks were a pure money maker for Disney and a constant stream of revenue. His first act was raising ticket prices. Back in the 80s the raise wasn't much of anything and nobody except Dick Nunis was opposed.

Fast forward to EuroDisneyland. Eisner was in love with the the idea of a Paris park. He pushed for it to be an amazing park while Wells helped keep him in line. Eisner had some crazy ideas, including a Disney branded restaurant that would have locations across the country. Wells was always the one there to keep him in check.

The swan and dolphin project was a big part of "Disney's expansion" in Florida. Eisner had a competition with architects to come up with the best design. Michael Graves won out and Tishman wasn't exactly pleased but they went forward. Graves also worked on the Parks project. Eisner loved the architect who did yacht and beach too. Eisner always would stay at yacht when at WDW and that architect worked on the parks project.

Sorry a lot of rambling but I suggest a read of the book if you haven't read it. Eisner always saw Theme parks as that safe spot unlike TV and film which weren't as safe and his beef mid career with Katzenburg.

Disney needs to go back to the two person model. Walt and Roy or Eisner and Wells is what worked best. It all went downhill when Wells died. Eisner even had heart surgery right after that.

Keep reading, Darth Cheesius...

You'll see that many of the indictments made against Eisner echo true now...especially a "soulless, rapicious company"

Disney has never stood for less than it does right now. It's stock price in the short term.

 

[rteetz]

Granted he fixed the Pixar issue but the other acquisitions, park expansions haven't proven to be a success at this point in time. Eisner started the expansion outside the US. Iger's efforts are a continuation of that strategy. The long term success of these properties has yet to be determined. Don't underestimate the power of ego that says if we can expand to Europe we can conquer Asia.

As far as the WDW expansions are concerned I think we should wait and see. Toy Story Land for one seems to be greatly diminished from its original concept. Everything being developed now seems to have an element of let's get it done sooner rather than later all of a sudden. This is what makes me tie it into Iger's term as CEO that was supposed to be ending.

It's funny Disney under Iger has had an ego problem.

Bruce Vaughn long gone WDI head was quoted saying Disney is untouchable...

This as Universal inches ever closer.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Paris was really Eisners first big failure with Disney. When Wells died Eisner even went as far as wanting to put his wife on the Disney board. People thought he was nuts and put a stop to that.

Wells spent his last 5 years dealing with Paris. The reality is I think shouldn't have been in France. Great park though.