PDD-NOS & Height Requirement

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My son will be almost 3 on our trip and is on the autism spectrum. He's 39 1/2 inches now so he might be 40 inches by the time we go on our trip. We'll measure him before we go and if he's tall enough he'd like to ride Splash Mountain and Test Track. My question is are the CMs going to measure him multiple times for each ride? I'd like to prepare him on how to stand to be measured.
 
My son will be almost 3 on our trip and is on the autism spectrum. He's 39 1/2 inches now so he might be 40 inches by the time we go on our trip. We'll measure him before we go and if he's tall enough he'd like to ride Splash Mountain and Test Track. My question is are the CMs going to measure him multiple times for each ride? I'd like to prepare him on how to stand to be measured.

For the rides that have a height requirement he will be measured several times in line.
 
Normally there are two measuring sticks at each attraction, one at the start of the queue and the other at Load.
 
A CM will ask him to stand up against the measuring stick. You can go up to one of the ones outside and practice with him beforehand. If he's anything like my ASD guy, here's hoping there's no ambiguity about whether he is above or below the line (maybe make sure to wear the same shoes every day, though that was never an issue for my guy because he only wears one pair of shoes and it's always a crisis when he grows out of them). When he was on the edge of being tall enough, I was always afraid that someone would be inconsistent and he'd get told that he couldn't ride (and that would be the end of it for an hour or two at least). Never happened though. Now that I think about it, if he is right at the 40" mark, you could ask at GS to have them measure him, and then see if they'd put his height on the card so they don't have to measure him multiple times. I've never heard of anyone doing that, but it seems like a very reasonable accommodation.

Cate
 

you could ask at GS to have them measure him, and then see if they'd put his height on the card so they don't have to measure him multiple times. I've never heard of anyone doing that, but it seems like a very reasonable accommodation.

Cate
1. They do not have any ability to do measuring at Guest Relations.

2. This is not done and so no attractions CMs would expect to see this on a card.

3. Unfortunately some "me first" Guests would want to use the card for a slightly smaller child.
 
Thanks for the tips :thumbsup2 It's too bad you can't have your kid measured once at Guest Relations....
 
If having to be measured at each attraction would prevent your child from being able enjoy equal accomidation then yes WDW must come up with another way to make sure that your child can safely ride (if tall enough). My guess is that as the PP stated they would figure out a way to mark it on the GAC or some other way and then just have him do a walk by without the invasivness of having to do the formal measuremet multiple times.

bookwormde
 
Scenario:

Little Johnny is 38". Little Jimmy is 41".

Mommy takes Jimmy in for measurement and Jimmy is given a wristband which shows him eligible for 40" attractions.

Jimmy goes out, parents manage to slide wristband off Jimmy's wrist and onto Johnny. Jimmy changes shirt and daddy takes Jimmy in to be measured "for the first time" and Jimmy now has his own wristband.

And people will do this.
 
I would ask guest services because it is a reasonable accomodation. If it is going to upset DS to be measured a lot and make an issue for you and your family I would definitely ask. I don't see why a supervisor could not make this accomodation for you. You know what is best for him. I also would not worry about what other people may lie about. It is horrible enough that there are people out there that would do this but as with all accomodations there will be those that try and take advantage! Don't let others ill actions prevent you from getting something your family needs to enjoy the trip.
 
Scenario:

Little Johnny is 38". Little Jimmy is 41".

Mommy takes Jimmy in for measurement and Jimmy is given a wristband which shows him eligible for 40" attractions.

Jimmy goes out, parents manage to slide wristband off Jimmy's wrist and onto Johnny. Jimmy changes shirt and daddy takes Jimmy in to be measured "for the first time" and Jimmy now has his own wristband.

And people will do this.

They could just add a spot for a photo on the GAC with the height on it. That way no one else could use it.
 
If having to be measured at each attraction would prevent your child from being able enjoy equal accomidation then yes WDW must come up with another way to make sure that your child can safely ride (if tall enough). My guess is that as the PP stated they would figure out a way to mark it on the GAC or some other way and then just have him do a walk by without the invasivness of having to do the formal measuremet multiple times.

bookwormde

WDW and any other business has to provide reasonable accomidation that does not change their business. Currently there is not an accomidation to not be measured at each ride with a height requirement. As explained by a Disney CM a GAC is not used to measure children.
 
The standard is actually that it does not change the nature of the attraction or cause an unreasonable burden. For a company the size of Disney reaching the unreasonable burden is a very high bar for them.

Just because there is not a standard accomidation available does not remove WDW's responsibility to provide one.

Bookwormde
 
The standard is actually that it does not change the nature of the attraction or cause an unreasonable burden. For a company the size of Disney reaching the unreasonable burden is a very high bar for them.

Just because there is not a standard accomidation available does not remove WDW's responsibility to provide one.

Bookwormde

Sorry, I disagree. I think that opening the door to allow children who are too short access to a ride causes an "unreason burden". As explained previously, the "accomidatation" you suggest has been proven to not work therefore causing a problem for Disney. Since that accomidation is not offered, it would seem that Disney agrees.
 
Sorry, I disagree. I think that opening the door to allow children who are too short access to a ride causes an "unreason burden". As explained previously, the "accomidatation" you suggest has been proven to not work therefore causing a problem for Disney. Since that accomidation is not offered, it would seem that Disney agrees.

:surfweb: I wonder if Disney has had this request before. popcorn::
 
They have;)


and what has happened in the past? Disney will not accommodate?...this is interesting to me since we constantly have debates on what is considered "reasonable" in our school district. To me if it is a case by case basis wouldn't that lessen the risk of people who try and abuse it?
 
If the suggested accommodation does not work then Disney is required to find one that works as long as it is not an unreasonable burden.

It is funny that the change in the nature of the event is not a protection for the company but was always intended as a protection for other attendees so that there experience was not significantly changed (degraded) because of the accommodation, in this case since it is about the access, not the event it would not apply.

Safety is always first but there are lots of ways that Disney could safely accommodate this situation (and no Disney having to issues a photo "height pass" would not be considered an unreasonable financial burden to Disney)

4disneyNUTS

The standard for schools is somewhat different under IDEA, the rulings there are that an accommodation can not be denied because by "administrative convenience" (and that needs for FAPE must be met).

bookwormde
 
Disney only measures on rides where there is a safety issue with the ride. If a child is not able to follow the direction to stand straight to be measured, how can CMs know that this child will follow safety directions on the ride? It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect a child to stand straight under a stick in order to ensure height. If a child can't tollerate standing straight under a stick then I question whether the child will tollerate bars lowering on him or follow other safety precautions including simple things like not standing during the ride.

We do skip attractions and shows where my daughter can't tollerate something including many shows where there are no accomodations available at all so no I'm not suggestion something I won't do myself. Disney already goes far beyond what they have to do and I'm extremely appreciative of that, something I demonstrate by continuing to spend my money with them.
 
If the suggested accommodation does not work then Disney is required to find one that works as long as it is not an unreasonable burden.

It is funny that the change in the nature of the event is not a protection for the company but was always intended as a protection for other attendees so that there experience was not significantly changed (degraded) because of the accommodation, in this case since it is about the access, not the event it would not apply.

Safety is always first but there are lots of ways that Disney could safely accommodate this situation (and no Disney having to issues a photo "height pass" would not be considered an unreasonable financial burden to Disney)

4disneyNUTS

The standard for schools is somewhat different under IDEA, the rulings there are that an accommodation can not be denied because by "administrative convenience" (and that needs for FAPE must be met).

bookwormde
People have posted quite a few times in the past that they did ask and were told this was not an accommodation Disney could/would give.

I would like to see some documentation that shows a recreational facility/amusement park would be forced to go to that level of accommodation. (there are different guidelines/requirements for work and school settings).
If an accommodation would cost much and benefit few, it does not need to be made. I think this would fit into that 'bin'.
There are relatively few people who have problems with being measured because of reasons like the OP mentioned.
Sure, it might be relatively inexpensive to add photos to GAC ( and that might be a good idea anyway). And, it might be fairly inexpensive come up with a procedure and to train the Cast Members in Guest Relations to do hje measurement and put them on the GAC.
But, a child who may not stand to get their measurement done at attractions also may not cooperate to get it done in Guest Relations either.

And, another huge and expensive part would be training each and every employee who may work at an attraction that has a height requirement. This would be a huge undertaking and I don't think (IMHO) would be reasonable given the small number of people who would potentially benefit.
Besides that, there is the safety angle. Any workarounds or policies that are changes from how a safety procedure is normally done are potential break points where safety can be compromised. You want as few breaks as possible and I can see that having the height on the GAC would be a huge break point. IMHO, an accommodation that requires a change in the safety procedure is seldom reasonable.
For example, Peter Pan has a moving walkway. I could argue that stopping it so we can carry DD on is a reasonable accommodation and should be required because we can't go on without stopping the moving walkway to get on and off. And, they do it for other attractions, including Haunted Mansion, very close by. We need the moving walkways stopped for physical reasons ( we are lifting DD on), but some people are needing it for more psychological reasons (their child won't step onto a moving walkway.) for those attractions where it is safe, Disney does slow or stop it. For a number of reasons, including the fact that riding guests are suspended above the ground in hanging pirate ships with no positive restraints, WDW has concluded that stopping the moving walkway to let people with disabilities board is too much of a safety risk. So we can't ride.

Lastly, a lot of people have posted about concerns regarding their child being measured. People have pretty consistently recommended practice and/or social stories and the OPs have posted back that those things worked and they were very surprised that their child did very well with measuring. I don't remember anyone ever posting back that they had prepared, but still had issues at the park related to being measured.
 





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