OT: Anyone know anything about computers?

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My computer has gotten me confused, and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I don't really know a good place to ask this. I just got a new laptop, it's supposed to be 500GB. When I go to my computer though it says my harddrive has 400GB of 450 available. Now my old laptop only had 55GB and I've only transferred over my i-tunes so far so I'm guessing that most of the 50GB used so far is the operating system, but if I ordered 500 why would it say 450? It's just not making any sense to me. Any ideas? :confused3
 
I don't have a good answer to this. I think it has something to do with the way the manufacturers calculate space, versus the way the computer does. I think it goes something like the manufacturers consider a megabyte 1,000 kilobytes, and the computer (properly says it is 1,024).

Someone else may come along and totally prove me wrong, but I think that is right.
 
You got it right. It has to do with the computer using a binary base number system where as the manufacturer uses a decimal system. When drives were smaller the 1024 vs 1000 wasn't a big deal. But now with the large hard drives you can lose a big chunk of storage. I really wish they'd be more upfront about it. They do normally make a note in the fine print.

What's being used is a combination of the operating system and software the manufacturer includes (plus what you've transfered). The OS can easily take 10-20 GB. Different manufacturers will put different extra software (often called bloatware due to how much space it can take up). You can go through Add/Remove programs and get rid of some of it. If you're not sure what it is and if you need it just do a google search.
 
Thank you for your answers! That makes a lot more sense...I just didn't understand why the numbers wern't adding before
 

Another reason can be a "hidden" partition that a lot of laptops have. This can be a good thing, for example on the Lenovo's you can hit a few keys on the way in and completely restore it to factory default.
 
It could also be in part that the drive came "partitioned"... meaning that they took your one 500 GB drive and split it into two drives (One 450 GB and one 50 GB). The OS would be on the 50 GB partition and they left the 450 GB partition for you to use.

A partition is still technically one drive, but they just told the computer to consider it two different drives.
 
Confirming all of the above...there was even a class-action lawsuit against HD manufacturers for using a different measurement of "MB" than everyone else did. It stems from the use of metric/SI prefixes like "kilo-", "mega-", etc, which are meant to be powers of 10 (i.e. kilo- means 10^3), vs. a computer's closest equivalent, which was in powers of 2 (where kilo- was 2^10, or 1024). As disks got bigger, the "error" difference was far more noticeable.

In 2000, the IEC proposed a new set of prefixes which are based on 2^10, like "kibi-", "mebi-" and "gibi-", but they've been widely "accepted" but still little used.

When an OS tells you how big a "disk" is, there are a couple factors:

- Formatted vs. unformatted: A "formatted" disk (remember formatting floppies?!) simply means that the structures used for storing information for individual files, directory/folder structures, etc. hav already been created, and they take space themselves. A formatted disk has already used some space - but depending on the OS and the format (NTFS, FAT, etc.) it will tell you its using little if any space. You'll see that the the formatted capacity is less than the "raw" or advertised unformatted capacity. And the different filesystem formats available make a difference.

- A partition vs. a physical disk. As mentioned, a disk can be partitioned - that is, divided into several logical units that the OS sees as separate physical disks. If we are talking windows, you may see these as addition drives along with C:, like D:, E:, etc., along with your CD/DVD drive which is usually the last of the letters in sequence. However, this is only of they are formatted in a way the OS recognizes.

Some vendors provide a "maintenance" or "recovery" partition.They are usually relatively small compared to the whole disk. 32GB is the largest I remember offhand. My Dell Vista box has 10GB. This contains a copy of the OS that was originally installed, and if I boot a certain way, the OS will be completely reinstalled just as if it was new. Of course, I hopefully have a really good backup of my important data...(note to self, run backup after posting... :surfweb:). I actually see this as my D: drive.

I also have a "hidden" partition, which contains the program that gets run to rebuild the system, but its only 55MB.

Here is how you can see it in Windows, although it can be different on different versions. Find "Administrative Tools", then go to Computer Management > Storage > Disk Management. You should see a Disk 0, and some blocks that represent the different partitions. Add those up, and that's the size of the disk according to the OS. Mine is a "320GB" drive, but I get 298GB of raw storage. Windows generally reports about the same from the OS point of view as well.
 
Thank you so much for all of your responses! I really appreciate it!
 

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