OOP and thoughts

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We have always done the DDP , last time the DDxP , I will be travelling with 2 teens and wanted to do and exercise on costs .

We did want to do some signatures , and some of the old favorites such as Sci-Fi and breakfast buffets , I found that DDxP would be too much food , and at some places I would be happier ordering a few apps instead of an app and entree , we also wanted to add the desert party and cover our last full day with some QS meals at EOS and WPE
I also feel that one or 2 apps shared , and my daughter and I sharing entree's at some places , the DDP just did not make sense for us , I came out ahead in calculations using OOP , factoring in an extra 30.00 per day for slush and snacks

has anyone done this , have you been happier like this , feeling like less of a slave to the DDP ?
I loved the feeling that everything was paid for , but if the money is on the card when i get there , i imagine it amounts to the same thing
please share your experiences with me :confused3
 
After many hours studying menus and pricing out each item we will most likely order, I have decided that OOP is best for our group. The three grads we are taking for a graduation trip have all their ADRs scheduled and their meals priced out to $404, $413 is the cost on the dining plan. This includes ADRS at CRT, O'Hana, 50s Prime Time, Whispering Canyon, Akershus, BOG. Plus a $5 snack everyday, and seven QS meals including drink but not dessert. I even included the refillable mug, which we will probably skip since we are staying at Kidani. If the trip was just them, or we could book the DDP for just some members of our group, we would definitely add the DDP. BUT, there are two 14 year olds coming along that are not adventurous or huge eaters. They plan to share QS meals and eat mostly small snacks throughout the day., traveling between parks at their leisure, not confined to a dining schedule. I have allowed for 2 QS meals each, plus a $5 snack, per day. This works out to $260 each for the seven days, well under the $413 on the DDP. And I suspect they will not eat as much as I have budgeted for. (They will eat with the group one night at Whispering Canyon, which I included in their budget, but that will most likely be the only TS they eat.) My DH and I have ADRs at Prime Time, Whispering Canyon and Boma, and then I have us budgeted for nine QS each, plus snacks. We are staying in a two bedroom villa with a full kitchen and plan to do the parks less commando style this time. More time relaxing and exploring, hanging by the pool, enjoying the resort. I am not pretending I'm going to cook dinner on my vacation, but we do plan to have bagels and cereal for breakfast and lunch foods available if we decide to eat a sandwich by the pool. I have budgeted $300 each for our meals, saving over $100 on the DDP.
All this said, we will not be watching prices on the menus and trying to eat cheap. We will eat what we want, how much we want. But for our group, especially keeping in mind the fourteen year olds, the DDP doesn't work for us.
 
There's plenty of people (and threads) that the DP doesn't work for. That's not unusual.

The DXDP works for us - at full price it's about $100 more than what we'd spend OOP, but we have always gotten a dining discount which in turn saved us money. We do a lot of character meals/buffets.

Different strokes! It's really individual to each family.

We'll be using TIW in September/October so I'm sure we'll spend less than we would on the DXDP (we're DVC this trip). Plus we'll order what we want. I enjoyed trying new desserts or appetizers that I wouldn't have ordinarily ordered out of fear that I'd hate something I just paid for :lmao:
 
Different strokes! It's really individual to each family.

Yep! This!:thumbsup2

For DD and I, the dining plan just doesn't make sense. Financially, we come out slightly better by paying out of pocket. But most of all, we enjoy the flexibility that comes with not being tied to credits. If I'm too full after an entree, then I don't get dessert and I don't feel guilty for "wasting" part of my meal credit. Then if I'm wanting a treat a couple hours later, I can get whatever sounds good at that time. One night on our last trip, it had been raining and we decided to hang out at our resort and order in pizza. We ordered DD's favorite, Papa Johns. No pressure to use up dining credits and get something DD might have been less happy about. We don't necessarily want to eat as many TS meals as we have nights booked. I can't remember exactly, but last trip we stayed 9 nights and I think we ate 6 (could have been 7) TS meals. It was nice not being tied down by so many ADRs.

Other people find that the dining plans are perfect for them. That's great... for them. But I'm happier now that we no longer get the dining plan.
 

Yep! This!:thumbsup2

For DD and I, the dining plan just doesn't make sense. Financially, we come out slightly better by paying out of pocket. But most of all, we enjoy the flexibility that comes with not being tied to credits. If I'm too full after an entree, then I don't get dessert and I don't feel guilty for "wasting" part of my meal credit. Then if I'm wanting a treat a couple hours later, I can get whatever sounds good at that time. One night on our last trip, it had been raining and we decided to hang out at our resort and order in pizza. We ordered DD's favorite, Papa Johns. No pressure to use up dining credits and get something DD might have been less happy about. We don't necessarily want to eat as many TS meals as we have nights booked. I can't remember exactly, but last trip we stayed 9 nights and I think we ate 6 (could have been 7) TS meals. It was nice not being tied down by so many ADRs.

Other people find that the dining plans are perfect for them. That's great... for them. But I'm happier now that we no longer get the dining plan.

you have confirmed my feelings of wanting a bit more freedom and wiggle room , thank you
 
For us, the DDP works because we have kids under 10 and we are big eaters as a family. We're doing a number of character meals as well. I did make a spreadsheet tracking what I thought we would all order. For my room 2 adults and 2 kids, we do pretty well. My parents are right about break even. If they end up ordering the more expensive menu items, they'll save a little. The refill mugs should be good for us because we will be using them probably in the morning, during our afternoon break, possibly in the evening and on our resort day.
That being said it would only take something minor to tip it in the other direction. I do like having it all paid for but putting the money on a girft card should word pretty well to.
 
I buy a few $1000 Disney gift cards at Christmas time through the Scrips program school fundraiser. I use these to pay for all of our meals. I have yet to go over the $2000 including tips and alcohol for three adults over 14 nights. I love the flexibility of eating whatever and wherever I want without being attached to the plan as it is written.
 
We got back from a trip in which we paid OOP for the first time, after 1 DDP and 4 DxDP trips. We do not hold back when it comes to dining and we ate at some expensive places, like Monsieur Paul and California Grill. We always ordered appetizers at the TS restaurants (often shared) and also ordered desserts at TS (often shared).

Kids often ordered from kids' menu, but sometimes ordered from the adult menu. For example, at California Grill each kid ordered the California sushi roll at $24/pop.

We had 2 ADRs every day. We stayed for 7 nights and we ate at the following places:

TS
WCC (breakfast)
The Wave (breakfast)

Sci-Fi (lunch)
Plaza (lunch)
Tusker House (lunch)
Coral Reef (lunch)
Mama Melrose (Fantasmic package)

Sanaa (dinner)
Monsieur Paul (dinner)
Be Our Guest (dinner)
California Grill (dinner)
T-Rex (dinner)

CS
Roaring Forks
Tangierine Cafe
Commisary (kids meals)

Snacks
Writer's Stop
Bottled water
Roaring Forks
F! Theater

In terms of credits, we would have spent more TS and fewer QS than the DDP and fewer credits than the DxDP. If we would have purchased a dining plan, we would have selected the DxDP.

Compared to the DxDP, including tax, we saved $365 for the week, and that is even ordering 3 courses each in some restaurants (Sanaa, Monsieur Paul, MM F!). That also assumes that kids would have ordered 100% from kids' menu, which they did not.

If we would have taken the DxDP, I would have made sure we would have broken even, by scheduling a couple of additional breakfasts. However, my DH is character-breakfast-out, which was one of the main reasons why we started to think beyond the DxDP. I would have also scheduled dinner on our arrival night, instead of winging it.

Overall, we were happy with our decision to forego the DxDP this trip. I had crunched the numbers, and I had a pretty good feeling we would come in having only broken even or under the DxDP and I was right. We ate all that we wanted to eat, which to me, on vacation, means eating more than what I would eat at home, in order to try different things. We did not hold back on making ADRs and ate at some of our favorite places. All in all, I recommend that given the increase in the prices of the DDP/DxDP to try paying OOP during the next trip.
 
We're going OOP for the first time during our May trip. We have had a really hard time using up our CS credits the last couple of trips so I think we'll come out better doing OOP.
I loved having everything paid for in advance but I am buying gift cards and putting the money on them this trip. I think it will work out great!! :thumbsup2

Carla
 
We LOVED paying out of pocket, it was sooooo nice to eat when you are hungry instead of just because you have credits to use! One of my favorite meals was Sci Fi where I ordered a milkshake and bowl of soup, it was perfect! We also saved $$$. I did find the dining plan cheaper than paying OOP when our kids were under the age of 9, since it was only $15 per child at the time and we frequented the character meals. But now that they are 10 & 12 that's $220 per day for the dining plan, there's no way we would spend that much every day!
 
Thanks for all the feedback , I am now feeling confident in my decision ! I will put the money i saved down on my magic band account when we get there and same as paid for !
I also get to go to shula's and am looking forward to that , as well as just having apps in some restaurants , like fried pickles and a cherry coke at Sci-Fi !

cant's wait !!!!
 
We were priced out of the DDP when Disney decided that my tween was an "adult" by age 10. :rotfl: She just doesn't eat enough. She and I shared a ton of meals and and we were always full. At Via Napoli, for instance....our family of 5 shared the largest pizza they have then went to the patisserie in France for dessert. On the dining plan I think we would have each had to order our own individual entree....way too much food! I don't always want dessert at dinner at the same place we're eating dinner.
 
This discussion comes up so often.

The DDP is a good deal for one and only one entity -- Disney. That is why they offer it for sale! It is a cash guzzler for them.

A) You pay them money often times 6 mo in advance of when you plan to consume the benefit of your money. Time x Money = Profit. The longer they hold your money, the longer they earn more profit on its return, the less time your money is sitting in a stock or other investment earning you that return. Say it's 3% over 6 months, conservatively.

B) You are committing to buy a certain amount of non-refundable food. Otherwise, people go to a theme park, see a menu, and maybe split a soda or hold off on that appetizer. With DDP you lose that flexibility to decide you don't want a dessert this dinner. No, you paid for it -- so you take it and eat a bite.

C) PPl are arguing that it gives them the flexibility to order a dessert that they only want a few bites of and not have to feel bad about paying for it -- Huh? You are paying for it either way. In fact you're paying for a dessert at every meal for every person whether you want it, just a bite, or not at all.

D) Appetizers are not included because Disney knows diners show up to eat hungry. You look at the menu, think an appetizer looks yummy (they always do -- plus, you're starving!) so you BUY an appetizer in addition to the full meals and dessert you are pre-committed to. Whereas otherwise when you go out, if you buy an appetizer, you might split a meal or not get dessert. Disney doesn't care if you do that cuz you've prepaid for them.

E) Say you want a beer instead of soda at this meal. TOUGH. You already bought the soda, so suck it up. Buy the beer too if you want it, but you won't get your money back on the soda.

Now it *can* be used effectively, but even when optimizing it, using everything efficiently, and consuming expensive items, it's only going to end up saving you a few hundred bucks. On the other hand by using it suboptimally you can come in way overspent on it.

Do you really want to have to think "this snack is only $3.50 should I use a point on it or pay cash cuz my next snack might be a $4.50 one and risk ending up not having used all my snacks, or should I take that dollar hit now and just consume the point on this less than optimal item" with everything you buy?

Free dining is of course the exception. If you get free dining and you have 3 or more ppl in a room, free dining is better than a 30% hotel savings. If you have 2 ppl in an expensive room, it might be about a wash.

There are other ways to even further improve on OOP dining. Buy gift cards at Target for 10% off. Buy one $100 gift card for each sit-down meal. Bam, $10 off each meal. Paying with gift cards, if you choose to micro-manage it like that, can make OOP dining FAR cheaper than DDP.

For 9-11 year olds it's even worse of course and most ppl know this. Disney pre-bills you as an adult for kids over 9, which means you're pre-buying them an adult plate... some kids might want a steak but are not always going to be picking the $30 item.

Look at the calculations on the previous pages of this thread. Those that came out ahead on the DDP fail to acknowledge that they would have otherwise purchased a soda and dessert for every person at every meal... and they fail to factor in the power of paying with gift cards or TIW (if you should choose to go that route). Even the Disney Visa gives you small bits off at select restaurants.

The DDP is a convenience that Disney is selling. You are paying for it with money and flexibility, and paying for it ahead of time. I'm not against the DDP, as it is indeed convenient. Like any other convenience, like taking your bags from the airport, or taking a taxi, or any other convenience in the world -- but it is generally not a "cost savings" or a way to eat at Disney World for less than just paying out of pocket. Again excepting when it's offered free. :)

It is also a way to encourage everyone to spend even more money. By getting you to buy food ahead of time, it makes one feel like they have more discretionary funds at the parks to buy that extra appetizer, beer, or souvenier.

For the true planner and micro manager, you can get some value out of it if you would, for example, order two meals at a restaurant, one appetizer, one soda, and one dessert. Then do so again at the next restaurant... but at both, only pay for the appetizer and al-la-carte entry by cash and the entre with soda and dessert on points. Splitting checks like this can yield some decent savings but it takes a lot of micro managing, explaining to your servers specifically which items you want to be billed for, etc. It is way beyond what most ppl are looking to get into while on vacation. For the average person, average family, it's going to cost far less just paying cash (or even better, with discounted gift cards).

Just so ppl know. The DDP is not about savings. It's a convenience / feature / offering that Disney charges for because it is profitable to do so. Theme parks around the world are copying this as even now my local Six Flags is offering pre-buy food items. Anything to get a consumer to commit to buying something so they don't get to the park and change their mind.
 
This discussion comes up so often.

The DDP is a good deal for one and only one entity -- Disney. That is why they offer it for sale! It is a cash guzzler for them

While I mostly agree with you, there are people for whom the DDP is a good deal. Your family would be one of them as you have two Disney kids, but only if you WANT to do several buffets for the kiddos.

Families with kids who want to do buffets, but won't OOP because of the cost, find the DDP a good value because it does save them money. Could they do Disney for less? Of course, they could. They could choose only ONE buffet and make do, but if they want more, then the DDP saves them money.

Just for your family dynamic, let's say you WANT to do the following:

Akershus breakfast (princesses for DD)
1900 Park Fare dinner(stepsisters are a riot)
Crystal Palace dinner (Pooh characters are a must)
Ohana dinner (Dad loves all the meat)
Coral Reef (eating with the fishies for the kiddos)

Assume an avg adult entrée at Coral of $25, dessert of $8, and drink at $3 and kids' meals at $10.

The total for your TS is already at $791.40. Total for DDP for 5 nights for 3 adults, 2 kids is $1068.70. That leaves $277.30 for CS meals.

Again, assuming a $16 avg for adult CS (entrée, dessert, drink) and $6 for kids, that's $300 for the 5 days. You've already saved $22.70 and you haven't had even one snack yet.

I did all that "planning" in less than an hour. So Disney isn't the only one that "profits" from the DDP.

By the way, we are NOT a DDP family as we are now 4 Disney adults and would never have 4 desserts at one time and my boys aren't into the characters, so that's not important to us either.
 
While I mostly agree with you, there are people for whom the DDP is a good deal. Your family would be one of them as you have two Disney kids, but only if you WANT to do several buffets for the kiddos.

Families with kids who want to do buffets, but won't OOP because of the cost, find the DDP a good value because it does save them money. Could they do Disney for less? Of course, they could. They could choose only ONE buffet and make do, but if they want more, then the DDP saves them money.

Just for your family dynamic, let's say you WANT to do the following:

Akershus breakfast (princesses for DD)
1900 Park Fare dinner(stepsisters are a riot)
Crystal Palace dinner (Pooh characters are a must)
Ohana dinner (Dad loves all the meat)
Coral Reef (eating with the fishies for the kiddos)

The total for your TS is already at $791.40. Total for DDP for 5 nights for 3 adults, 2 kids is $1068.70. That leaves $277.30 for CS meals.

Yeah, I agree w you there are ways to make it work. And those restaurants you posted are good examples. And your prices in line w my calculations. I'd add to those...
* The restaurants where tip and photo package are included
* The 3 dinner events

If you strike Coral and add Chef Mickey's or Biergarten you've added another expensive buffet and maximize it optimally.

But this comes down to... do you want to buy the DDP and then choose your restaurants to be the more expensive ones in order to justify having committed to paying more for dining... or, do you pick where you want to go, line up 6 restaurants, and then compare OOP to what a "normal pick" value on DDP would be... For that normal pick, OOP will be less because ppl don't pick more expensive restaurants deliberately.

It's like buying something more expensive cuz it's on sale even tho it's still more at the sale price... DDP encourages ppl to eat at pricier places under the guise of saving them money... when really if they hadn't (in general) gotten the DDP and just ate what they wanted when they wanted, they'd probably spend less and have had no worse of experiences for it.
 
Yes, to elaborate on fuzzylogicllc and sharonabe, the last time we had the DxDP, we did a bunch of character meals and we also went to Biergarten. The cost of one of those buffets would be more than half the kids' DxDP cost for the day, and it allowed us to have two more credits for them and two more snacks. So, it can be a great value for families with children eating at many character meals. It *is* important to figure out where you are eating and how much it would cost in making the decision.

My DH basically said that the only character meal he would put up with this year would be lunch at Tusker House (which is a great lunch, BTW, and as you can see in my previous post, we did eat there). That was part of the decision behind paying OOP. I just think that with the increase in cost, the scenarios where you would come ahead with DxDP are fewer than what they used to be.
 
It seems to me that if you've chosen your restaurants and can figure out approximately how much you would likely spend at each one, you can decide if DDP is right for you. Yes, you might end up eating more dessert then you would ordinarily, but it is vacation. I almost always get dessert at a TS while on vacation. The CS one might be frivolous. Will both my husband and I order the most expensive thing on the menu? No. I enjoy steak and ribs and seafood, my husband does not. I try to choose 3 likely entrees for both of us and take the average. Am i not going to eat at 50's primetime because it's a bad use of a TS? Nope if I can't eat where I want, I'm doing something wrong.
Will I be doing a resort day and taking advantage of the mug? Will I be returning to my room during the day often? I take all that into consideration when I do the math. For me, this year, DDP works really well. When my kids are over 9, it might not. I just don't get why some people act like getting (or not), is a terrible idea for everyone.
 
In Aug 2015 we are going for a 12 night stay at the Caribbean Beach Resort. One night we (DW, DS15, DS13 & myself) went thru our stay at WDW using the Dis Boards menu's to pretend what we would order for our meals using the dining plan. To our surprise if I pay out of pocket for the same items it would come out to $439.00 cheaper that getting the DDP. Since we will have our own car we will probably go off property for a few meals and that will save us a few $ more.
 















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