***Official*** Pandora: The World of Avatar Information Thread

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I mean no one says "hey, let's have an Avatar festival"...

Certainly not I... ...

 

[lovethattink]

Agree! My point is that solid IP 1) enhances the odds that rides/lands are popular with MANY people, and 2) brings in people who may not be that jazzed about WDW in general (like with SW or HP), and 3) increases odds that people are actually interested in the merch.

I can tell you this: I HATED the movie -- HATED!! I am sure that I'll LOVE the Pandora land. But there is NO WAY that I will wear a t-shirt associated in any way with that movie. None. I suspect I'm not alone. Now that banshee... ... my kids didn't like the movie either, but one of them STILL wants a banshee!

All this to say that I will place bets now that SW land is more popular than Pandora. At opening and into the future (unless the rides somehow are AWFUL, which I doubt). And that is because of the IP.

My son didn't like it either. He hated the mistreatment and killing. We didn't take him to preview because he had rehearsal. But I he hopes to ride both attractions and he loved the pictures I took.

Star Wars has a bigger fan base. 4+ decades of fans. It's going to be an epic opening.

 

[crazylady]

For those of you that have done HP and now Pandora, how do the lands compare in the coolness factor of the lands and rides?

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Star Wars has a bigger fan base. 4+ decades of fans. It's going to be an epic opening.

We keep saying this will be quite the scene, with grown men crying!!

 

[twebber55]

Avatar, for most of us I believe, will have to rely on the execution of the theme park land. The good news is that it sounds like they did one heck of a job with the land.

thats for any IP. Quality is more important than IP, thats why star tours is rated the 4th best ride in DHS and why TOT a much smaller IP is universally loved. IP matters of course but quality is much more important for example look at the Toy Story lands across the world. Toy Story is a bigger IP than Cars which land is more popular? its not even close, because Carsland has a higher quality

 

[twebber55]

Where was the face painting, please?

when you first get into the land its on the left as if you are going towards NRJ

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

thats for any IP. Quality is more important than IP, thats why star tours is rated the 4th best ride in DHS and why TOT a much smaller IP is universally loved. IP matters of course but quality is much more important for example look at the Toy Story lands across the world. Toy Story is a bigger IP than Cars which land is more popular? its not even close, because Carsland has a higher quality

OT for thread but related to discussion... does anyone know how many people ride ST vs. ToT each day? Wait times don't necessary tell the whole story. And one is more of a thrill-type ride so has a slightly different audience.

I think the main point is that IP and execution both factor in. Hard to argue otherwise, I think.

 

[twebber55]

For those of you that have done HP and now Pandora, how do the lands compare in the coolness factor of the lands and rides?

similar immersion it all depends what type of environment/setting you like urban or natural. FOP is in the same category as Forbidden journey and Gringotts

 

[twebber55]

OT for thread but related to discussion... does anyone know how many people ride ST vs. ToT each day? Wait times don't necessary tell the whole story. And one is more of a thrill-type ride so has a slightly different audience.

I think the main point is that IP and execution both factor in. Hard to argue otherwise, I think.

on Robert Niles site Star Tours is ranked 4th best ride, i wasnt going by wait times

For me IP matters early on and quality determines the longevity of the land

 

[danikoski]

As of 12:48, both rides had 120 minutes wait times on MDE

Edit: At 12:50, 7DMT had 160 minute wait...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

on Robert Niles site Star Tours is ranked 4th best ride, i wasnt going by wait times

For me IP matters early on and quality determines the longevity of the land

Never heard of him - what does he base his ranking on? I disagree wrt longevity... I think a lifelong base like SW will make a big difference wrt longevity.

 

[twebber55]

Never heard of him - what does he base his ranking on? I disagree wrt longevity... I think a lifelong base like SW will make a big difference wrt longevity.

themeparkinsider.com

not if the quality is poor
too many examples say this is true

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

themeparkinsider.com

not if the quality is poor
too many examples say this is true

I took a look there and can't find what he bases his rankings on. Do you know?

You said "quality determines the longevity of the land". The IP matters here as well -- not JUST quality. A massive 40+ yr fanbase HAS TO make a difference.

 

[dina444444]

Walking into Pandora now. It's currently open access.

 

[stnet]

We are heading to Pandora in the morning, plan on being at bus stop at 6am. We have fastpass for FOP for 10:30. I was thinking go straight to FOP and then go get in line for NRJ or is that taking too big of a risk to be standing in a 3 hour line for NRJ? I would like to see the regular line for FOP but don't necessarily want to deal with the wrath of the rest if the family about standing in a line for sooo long!!

 

[twebber55]

I took a look there and can't find what he bases his rankings on. Do you know?

You said "quality determines the longevity of the land". The IP matters here as well -- not JUST quality. A massive 40+ yr fanbase HAS TO make a difference.

in terms of theme park insider its based on viewer ratings not his.
ive already given several examples of how quality matters more
the good news is i think based on what we see so far SWL will be incredible

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

in terms of theme park insider its based on viewer ratings not his.
ive already given several examples of how quality matters more
the good news is i think based on what we see so far SWL will be incredible

We're probably just disagreeing on relative weight (x and y) in this equation... more agreement than disagreement, I think...

x*(IP popularity) + y*(ride/land execution) = Overall Popularity & Longevity of a New Land

Where x + y = 100%

Geeks unite!!


(as an aside: I think that # people riding an attraction each day/year is a better gauge of "popularity" than a subjective rating from a survey; might be the same conclusion (ToT vs. ST), but I'd like that data better... don't know where to get it or if it's publicly available)

 

[Yassdvclb]

I saw that Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time. I did not realize it was THAT successful. Very much enjoyed Pandora during passholder preview but haven't braved the regular crowds yet.

 

[marciemi]

Walking into Pandora now. It's currently open access.

Thanks for getting this back on current Pandora updates! . And thanks for the info - we're driving over now and hoping we won't hit an issue with parking.

 

[saskdw]

I don't see a problem with that honestly. Anything and everything Pandora can be answered here.

The problem is that this thread moves so quickly that a question easily gets buried 15 pages back very quickly. Some of us don't live on this thread and don't want to sift through 50 pages because we weren't on here for 12 hours.

When this thread got hijacked for awhile with people talking about fitting on rides it became useless to me and I avoided the whole thread for a couple weeks. Not interested enough to scroll through 100's of posts to find something relevant. Some of these policies and procedures are only good for the people that spend every waking moment on this message board.