New Rights granted to the FBI, Really Scary Stuff

WDWHound

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The following is from wired.com:

Congress approved a bill on Friday that expands the reach of the Patriot Act, reduces oversight of the FBI and intelligence agencies and, according to critics, shifts the balance of power away from the legislature and the courts.

A provision of an intelligence spending bill will expand the power of the FBI to subpoena business documents and transactions from a broader range of businesses -- everything from libraries to travel agencies to eBay -- without first seeking approval from a judge.

Under the Patriot Act, the FBI can acquire bank records and Internet or phone logs simply by issuing itself a so-called national security letter saying the records are relevant to an investigation into terrorism. The FBI doesn't need to show probable cause or consult a judge. What's more, the target institution is issued a gag order and kept from revealing the subpoena's existence to anyone, including the subject of the investigation.

The new provision in the spending bill redefines the meaning of "financial institution" and "financial transaction." The wider definition explicitly includes insurance companies, real estate agents, the U.S. Postal Service, travel agencies, casinos, pawn shops, ISPs, car dealers and any other business whose "cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax or regulatory matters."


You should read the Full article. It talks about how this was snuck into an intelligence agency spending bill. The artical is found at this link:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,61341,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

Just to be clear, this means the FBI can now go to any place you do business with (Bank, video store, airlines, doctor, etc) and demand your records from them without a subpoena or search warrant. To top it off, the business would be forbidden to tell anyone that this took place. (making it impossible to challange the new rule in court).

Up until now, I have been OK with the Patriot act, but this is making me very nervous. I have nothing to hide, but the government has no right to start going throught our personal records without proven cause. Under this new rule, they no longer need cause.
 
it personally doesn't make me nervous... if they have nothing better to do then look at my ebay account or a credit card statement then go right ahead.

If there are people in this country the suspect might do something awful to this country, the FBI should have the right to find out what they are up to. IMHO :)

edited for spelling ;)
 
Search Away! I feel that if you have nothing to hide nothing will become of it! Just my $.02
 

it personally doesn't make me nervous


I agree. I have nothing to hide, so if the government feels like someone does, I say you go on and check out those statements.
 
Originally posted by WDWHound
The following is from wired.com:

Congress approved a bill on Friday that expands the reach of the Patriot Act, reduces oversight of the FBI and intelligence agencies and, according to critics, shifts the balance of power away from the legislature and the courts.

A provision of an intelligence spending bill will expand the power of the FBI to subpoena business documents and transactions from a broader range of businesses -- everything from libraries to travel agencies to eBay -- without first seeking approval from a judge.





:earseek: YIKES, eBAY?????? :earseek:
 
was dead. Apparently John Ashcroft is the new incarnation. Yikes. I have nothing to hide either but this whole "patriot" thing is being pushed too far.
 
Originally posted by preshi
it personally doesn't make me nervous... if they have nothing ebtetr to do thwen look at my ebay account or a credit card statement then go right ahead.

If there are people in this country the suspect might do something awful to this country, the FBI should have the right to find out what they are up to. IMHO :)
Actually Preshi, I agree with you. My concren is that they no longer have to get a court's approval and they can now request records from any type of business they want. This leaves the poilicy wide open for abuse, especially since the business who provides the records can not report to anyone.

In the short term, I don't think this will be abused, but I am worried about the future. The fact that they don't have to prove to anyone that the search involves terorism and that no one can legally report the search makes this policy wide open to future abuse should the FBI ever become corrupt.
 
As someone who works with the FBI on a daily basis, this really doesn't concern me all that much. They are so busy that they wouldn't ask to see anyone's records unless they felt a true need and could back up their reason for doing so. Because they would still have to back up their reasons, I don't think there would be too many instances of abuse.
 
I'm not too concerned. We all know a lot has changed since Sept., 2001. There are bigger issues at hand.
 


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