Need to Vent (my son is driving me crazy - LONG)

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My son is a fantastic kid - has a scary high IQ, and is normally very, very respectful of rules and authority. He doesn't just behave - he insists that his friends behave as well. It's a blessing! He's always been this way, and though he's shown his teenage side before, something happened yesterday that really threw me and I need to get it off my chest.

See, lately he's been hanging out with this new friend (a girl, but he doesn't like her for a girlfriend, as he has his eye on someone else) named Emily. My son is a freshman. Emily is a junior. Emily invited him to join the after school Anime Club at the high school, and DS joined, as he's really into anime.

About a month ago, Emily wanted DS to meet her at the mall. We said it was no problem and dropped him off, but after we grabbed lunch elsewhere, I remembered some stuff at the mall I needed to pick up. Completely by chance, I ran into he and Emily in the Spirit halloween store. DS was happy to see me (we get along fabulously), and promptly introduced me to Emily, who muttered and wandered off. Now, that struck me as odd, because all of DS's other friends like me - I'm not a typical mom in the least, so we usually get along just fine and they're generally happy to meet me. And she didn't seem shy. She seemed...like she had something to hide. I can't really explain it. The moment I stepped away from DS, Emily was right back beside him, tugging him out of the store. Okay. Whatever. Must be a teenage thing. I get it.

Then last weekend, DH took DS to Homecoming to drop him off. DH got out to snap pics of DS with all his friends (who are mostly girls, all their parents were there too). But he noticed a girl hiding behind a pole, looking at DS. So he asked DS if he knew the girl - you guessed it, Emily. DS introduced her to DH and she muttered and walked away. DH came home and told me, "It was weird...she didn't seem shy. It was almost like she had something to hide." That weirded me out, because I never mentioned my thought to him about Emily in the halloween store.

Emily calls all the time - no biggie. Friends do that. Particularly girls.

But, back to Anime Club: all the after school clubs are required to have a teacher sponsor there with them after school, and once the meetings are over, the kids take the activities busses home, which is really great. He gets to be in clubs (which look great on the college app and keep him social - my son is an Aspie, so that's an issue with him) and we can save on gas. Yesterday, DS mentioned that the teacher sponsor had a meeting so their club was cut even shorter than it usually is. I asked how long it usually is and he said a half hour. It didn't take me long to do the math and realize that a group of teens had an hour without supervision EVERY WEEK. :eek: I asked what they do during that hour, he says they hang out in the Commons (an open area at the school).

First, it blows me away that the school would let a group of unsupervised teens just hang out every week, especially since it's in their rules that it's not allowed. Second, when I confronted DS about it, he spoke of authority in a way that he never has before - it didn't sound like him at all, and I suspect that it's this Emily girl who's influencing him (she's also been hospitalized twice since the school year began for "depression"). We don't choose DS's friends, but I have a bad feeling about this girl. Not to mention that when he'd asked if he could join after school clubs (he's also in GSA and was considering Robotics, but dropped it for Anime), we explained that he could "as long as there will be teacher supervision there", because trouble has a way of finding teens when they're left on their own.

DH and I explained to DS that he needs to speak to the teacher supervisor and either arrange the club around the tecaher's schedule so that the teacher can be present each meeting, or he will have to quit. :sad2:

It's just a very stressful time for us, as he seems to be stretching himself in ways he never has before...and I just want him to be safe. :confused3
 
I'm sorry you're having a rough time with this. :hug:

It sounds like you have a great son and a great relationship with him though. In the overall scheme of things, this really doesn't sound like such a big deal though, from what you described. I do have a couple questions:

1. What exactly did your son say regarding "authority" that was so bad, or different from previously?

2. Have you and your husband spoken to your son about your concerns with this Emily? Can you have your son invite her over for dinner or something so maybe she will see that you're a "cool" mom and not be so wierd around you guys?

Really, it sounds like your son has a good head on his shoulders and it sounds like you and your husband are great parents. I'm sure it will all be fine!
 
Is there anyway you could just pick him up when the club meetings are over? My kids are High School age and do many clubs. Their club meetings never last long. The kids who ride the activity bus, generally just hang out in a common area until the busses leave also. I've never been comfortable with them just hanging out either, so I pick them up. I also make sure I arrive five or ten minutes before their activity is supposed to end, so they don't get to "hang out".
 
I'm sorry you're having a rough time with this. :hug:

It sounds like you have a great son and a great relationship with him though. In the overall scheme of things, this really doesn't sound like such a big deal though, from what you described. I do have a couple questions:

1. What exactly did your son say regarding "authority" that was so bad, or different from previously?

2. Have you and your husband spoken to your son about your concerns with this Emily? Can you have your son invite her over for dinner or something so maybe she will see that you're a "cool" mom and not be so wierd around you guys?

Really, it sounds like your son has a good head on his shoulders and it sounds like you and your husband are great parents. I'm sure it will all be fine!

Thanks - I'm probably just freaking out becausev it's so out of sorts for him.

1. He snorted with derision and said, "The club did it all last year without a teacher, and they did just fine without a babysitter."

2. We haven't spoken to him about Emily yet, but DH and I are planning to over the weekend. Inviting her over for dinner is a great idea!
 

Is there anyway you could just pick him up when the club meetings are over? My kids are High School age and do many clubs. Their club meetings never last long. The kids who ride the activity bus, generally just hang out in a common area until the busses leave also. I've never been comfortable with them just hanging out either, so I pick them up. I also make sure I arrive five or ten minutes before their activity is supposed to end, so they don't get to "hang out".

Unfortunately no. DH has our only car and I work from home, so the busses are a lifesaver.
 
Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't want to offend anyone. But seriously, what is a group of them sitting AT SCHOOL going to do? I mean, I don't know the school or the area at all, but something like this wasn't uncommon at all in my high school. We didn't have activity buses, so kids waited for rides- I'd often wait an hour for my dad to get off work and come get me. I think that high schoolers need to be given a certain amount of freedom. Is your son's attitude about authority negative because he feels smothered?
 
I don't understand the problem...... a group of teens are unsupervised for an hour on school property? :confused3
 
It sounds to me like he's starting to behave like a typical teen! I don't have a problem with highschoolers not being supervised - they go out for lunch at our HS, unsupervised, and it's normal for teens to be together without adult supervision. If he's gone this long without having a friend you dislike, consider yourself lucky. Mine have had a few in elementary school that I just crossed my fingers, and hoped they'd move on to other friends.
 
Can't even imagine what you're going through as my sons are still little but just wanted to give you a cyber hug cause I know parenting isn't easy! All the best!!!:goodvibes
 
The high school isn't in the best area, and was locked down last year because of a nearby gang incident. So yes, I want to know a teacher is there making sure all is well.

We give DS lots of freedom (otherwise we wouldn't drop him off at the mall to meet friends :confused3 ), but this is definitely a concern.
 
First let me say my home is an Aspie home. I have 4 children three of them Aspies (so for those going wow 3 out of 4 wow! Let's just say it runs in the family LOL:thumbsup2 ) . I totally understand the challenges of Aspihood. It sounds like your son has a pretty solid foundation. You seem to know that he is a rule follower and that he expects others to do the same. Unless you have a reason to believe that he is deviating from this personality I wouldn't worry too much. It sounds like his response when being questioned about being unsupervised was a very typical teen answer. AND if this is something that was done in the past and he knows it (the teacher leaving and the students hanging out for an hour until the bus comes) there is a precedent set for it therefore in his mind this is not "wrong" so I am sure your questioning about it caused him to think that your disapproval was directed at him rather than the teacher. I don't think you were wrong to ask him about it but I am not surprised at his response. I am admitedly over protective but I wouldn't be too worried about the hour of hanging out at the school. As you said, he has been to the mall unsupervised so I would say that he is going to be fine at the school for an hour. I am sure there are some teachers in the building during that time and since it seems he makes good decisions I would not worry about this. I see about the gang issue you are concerned about... call the school and talk to the pricipal and find out who is in the building during that time and who these kids can expect to go to should they need an adult, but again I am sure they are not all alone at the school at the very least there will be custodians but I do know that teachers often do not leave right after school ends so I would be totally shocked if there were no teachers or coaches there while these kids are waiting and hanging out. If the school had concerns about it they would not be able to do this I am thinking that for the most part this is probably a group of good kids.

As for this Emily ...Personally, I do like to know my children's friends and especially if you have some concerns. Like others said invite her over for dinner. Get to know her. If she refuses to come then you can limit your son's time with her to school related activities. Again your son sounds like a pretty responsible boy and unless he is really deviating from his normal behavior in a consistent, worrying way, I would say he is being pretty "normal".
 
From another Aspie family, I would think that Emily is somewhere on the spectrum by how you describe her. I would summarize that she has not received the needed supports if she have developed a depression co-morbidity (which is very common in females).

It sound like your son is maturing and developing one of the most difficult social skills of looking deeper into the intent of rules rather than the strict wording. Sounds like you have a great child, with good judgment, so it may be time for him to find out what amount of rule variance is acceptable as long as he is in a safe environment.

I agree that meeting Emily and being supportive of her would be helpful. If she is resistant then I would talk with her parents, let her know your families situation and find out if there is anything you can do to help. Aspie friends have a special bond and if your son has the heightened sense of social justice characteristic, this may be an important factor in his interest in a friendship with Emily.

We have a very active spectrum community over on the disabilities board so feel free to stop in.

bookwormde
 
Thanks for the input, guys (and the much needed shoulders in these teenage years ;) ). It was good to get it all out, and I'm calling the school in the morning, just to express my concerns about the gang troubles (and also to ask why, if it is a school rule that kids cannot hang out in the commons after school, why no one is doing anything about it...or if they're even aware). I'm by no means a helicopter parent. It's just been a stressful day.

So nice to see other aspie parents here! Ah....completely slipped my mind taht if the precendence has been set, that's law in DS's brain. :thumbsup2
 
I'm sorry you're having a hard time with your son, although he sounds like a great kid. I guess I'm a little confused as to what you're concerned with??? I get that there's not an adult present for an hour, and kids hang out by themselves for that hr., but I don't really get why that's a problem. Doesn't he get lunch or a free hr. during school that is basically the same thing? I could understand if he was younger, but he's in high school. I guess I just remember kids hanging out at high school after school all the time without a specific adult "watching" them. We also did that at lunch. Also, what do you mean when you say he spoke to you in an "authoritative" way? I'm don't really know what you mean, so I'm not sure what I would do in that regard. Good luck, but I don't really think a bunch of high school hanging out at school without an adult is something to be too worried about. They'll be adults in the near future.
 
I don't know anything about a Aspie, not really even sure what ithat is; but the comment he made about someone supervising them sounds like any other teen streching thier wings.

Are the kids completly unsupervised, as in no one on campus or is it just that there is not someone in the same area with them? Even our jr. high kids will sometimes be waiting for football practice or something in the gym. The coach is finishing with his day as a teacher and may not be in the gym with them but he is close by as well as other teachers being in close proximity. I wouldn't consider that to be unsupervised. Kids have to have some time that is not controlled by adults--but with adults close enough to still take care of any problems.

I do understand your concern about this new friend and I have found that my first impression of my kid's friends are usually correct. Some kids really are very secretive and usually because they have something to hide. Now, to give this girl the benefit of the doubt, maybe she doesn't feel very sure of herself and feels like you won't like her because of the depression thing. I'd give her a chance, maybe a friendly parent type person is just what she needs to open up. But if she keeps acting secretive I think I would discourage the friendship.
 
LuvsJack

Aspie is a generic term for someone who has an IQ typically above 120 and has the Autism spectrum neurovariant and a significant number of the associated characteristics whether formally classified or not.

bookwormde
 
LuvsJack

Aspie is a generic term for someone who has an IQ typically above 120 and has the Autism spectrum neurovariant and a significant number of the associated characteristics whether formally classified or not.

bookwormde

Thanks :) for the info!
 


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