Need to vent about boss - WWYD

[kaytieeldr]

And like I said, going to the other owner is just going to make things 100% worse. You don't go behind one bosses back like that, you just don't.

Maybe send another e-mail, to BOTH bosses, stating she needs to take July x, y, and z as paid vacation days in accordance with company policy allowing her two weeks of paid vacation time annually.

 

[minniecarousel]

I'm late to this party and have an opinion, now that I know all the facts (thanks Helene).

OP - it looks like you didn't just spring this on them. Of course you'll need some of your vacation time (what's with the "time off with no pay"?! - either you can take the time, or not.) Talk to the other boss (owner, whatever) and explain your dilemma. If you have 2 weeks of vacation available, let them know you'll be needing some of it in 2 weeks. (maybe a few days before the weekend and the Monday?)

It sounds like a small company. There is no HR Dept, no forms to request T/O. You just arrange with the owners. You sound reasonable to me.

Good luck!

 

[bumbershoot]

took job two years ago, two weeks leave.

boss said no time off for short notice.

I did see that she's worked there for 2 years.

Therefore, the big question that no one has asked is...how did this go last year with your vacation? How does it work with everyone else? Is this how vacation is scheduled? Spur of the moment and last minute? ARE the owners asking other employees when they'll be taking their vacation? If this is how it's done, then all the "coulda shouldas" don't belong here, because this is how it's been done there before.

But like another poster said, the boss didn't say it was because of short notice. And, in fact, he's willing to let her be gone *without pay*, so it's obviously not a "no we must have you here" situation.

... taking off 3 days before her DSs wedding isnt going to stop the business.

Especially since they'd let her go without pay for that time.

just read the op and I don't see where the boss said she didn't give enough notice, that is why she isn't giving the time. actually, the way it reads is he is disputing her having any paid vacation time at all. I would address that pronto!

op, I'm sorry you are so stressed. personally I understand wanting to take that week off. yes, I agree with others that I would have approached it with my boss with firm dates as soon as I knew the wedding dates.

I know you said you are done with this thread, but if you are still looking for input on what to do going forward, I would schedule a meeting with both bosses immediately. I would want to find out what is the official policy regarding taking paid vacation time and find out when this time is allowed to be taken, and exactly why now is not a good time. Is there a particular reason that makes that week less possible for them than the following week?

it seems to me that yes, this is a tough economy and empolyees need to do what they can to hold on to the jobs they have. at the same time, it is more cost effective and in general wiser for an employer to keep a good employee than it is to let them go if/when its possible.

just seems like there is something else going on here, something you may not be aware of.

good luck!

I am in complete agreement with you!

If the usual "how it's done" policy is being changed, this is definitely a time to get BOTH policymakers involved! Which means talking to the other owner. It's nothing like going to one parent and then the other, unless one parent has just gone absolutely nuts and said no to something that is always allowed and is done by other kids in the family. The other owner (and the other parent) would want to know WHY the "no" person was saying "no".

 

[usnuzuloose]

When I was working my employer requested our vacation by Jan 1 of every year. WTH? Drove my husband nuts, as we have not even given it a thought. I had to make up dates that may not be true and for them it is in writing.

One year of taking my vacation, then about 3 days prior to my leaving she tell me there is a meeting I have to attend, which I should have been on vacation already for two days. I had to postpone my vacation for those two days, and was not allowed to extend them out. Then more upsetting this meeting was only to be for 4 hours, mind you my husband to me to the out of town meeting as we would leave right after. Then during this meeting i found out it was rescheduled to way in the afternoon. I said no way let my boss know my DH is waiting for me. She finally let me go, but you could tell she was upset. Companys are a pain sometimes.

Next time I would just let them know as far in advance as possible and try to get it in writing for yourself. Not flaming you. Jo

 

[C.Ann]

Erased the original question and not because I did not get the answers I liked. It was a simple question. I do not feel "entitled." So far from reality. I think people just took things out of context and I feel flamed. I did "everything" I was suppose to and more to get the answer from my boss before now. I "cannot" force them to decide one way or the other. But I will not be flamed because I let it go this long and look like a total slacker!

Sorry you're still getting responses - considering you have made it clear that you would prefer the question just be dropped.. Hopefully you can get it all worked out in the end..

 

[MIGrandma]

Am I the only one wondering why she needs so much time off for her son's wedding?

When our son got married DH and I planned the rehearsal dinner and that was pretty much the extent of our involvement in any planning. The bride and her mother and sister and friends did most of it. I think I took the day of the rehearsal dinner off, that was it.

Even when our daughter got married I didn't need time off from work. It was her wedding so most of the details were planning by her and her future husband. I remember taking her shopping a few times for her bridal gown, but that was done on Saturdays when I wasn't (and she wasn't) working anyway. I helped with wedding favors, stuffing invitations in the envelopes, that sort of thing but those were things that were done in the evenings, after work. I honestly never even considered taking time off from my job, it just wasn't necessary.

 

[luvsJack]

I think she wanted the time off to also spend with her brother and I also think her boss is being a donkey about the whole thing.

If she has been that dedicated and has basically taken no time off, then she should be able to expect something in return. If an employer does not give something back to his/her loyal employees, the employer will not keep good employees.

This doesn't sound like a large company where she works around many other schedules. In that type of setting it doesn't take a year's notice of vacation time. If there is no policy written about how to give notice of days off, then she really has done nothing wrong.


But regardless, her boss could have been a bit more diplomatic in the whole thing.

 

[declansdad]

The thing is, in the original post, the OP didn't mention that she had ever even raised the issue. How were the other posters supposed to know that she had done so? To us, it appeared that she was waiting for them to figure out that she needed time off (I guess because she was obvious about the wedding planning) and just approach her about it.

The update helped, but the fact that the update said that people were flaming her because they (heaven forbid) based their answers on what she posted, didn't sit well with many.

Sorry I had a typo in my post. I agree, I don't think people were flaming her at all. The op took the usual approach and said she was being flamed because people didn't give her the answers that she agreed with.

 

[declansdad]

I think she wanted the time off to also spend with her brother and I also think her boss is being a donkey about the whole thing.

If she has been that dedicated and has basically taken no time off, then she should be able to expect something in return. If an employer does not give something back to his/her loyal employees, the employer will not keep good employees.

This doesn't sound like a large company where she works around many other schedules. In that type of setting it doesn't take a year's notice of vacation time. If there is no policy written about how to give notice of days off, then she really has done nothing wrong.


But regardless, her boss could have been a bit more diplomatic in the whole thing.

I don't care how big the company is, you need to give more than 2 weeks notice for 2 weeks vacation. She shouldn't have waited so long.

 

[PADISFAM]

Good job Helene! Grumpy you're fired!

 

[chloelovesdisney]

Although I think it would have been a good idea to get a definite okay from the boss a while ago, I don't see the problem in giving her the vacation time. Two weeks vacation a year is almost nothing, good grief give the lady the time off.

I'm the one that has to give the okay for vacation time at my job and all I require is two weeks notice. More is preferable but as long as I am told two weeks ahead I never say no as long as not too many people have already requested off for the same time period. If it's at all feasible I say yes. Good employees are valuable, and if they are already well trained and productive I don't want to lose them and have to go through the trouble of replacing them.

 

[PebblesMom]

I think she wanted the time off to also spend with her brother and I also think her boss is being a donkey about the whole thing.

If she has been that dedicated and has basically taken no time off, then she should be able to expect something in return. If an employer does not give something back to his/her loyal employees, the employer will not keep good employees.

This doesn't sound like a large company where she works around many other schedules. In that type of setting it doesn't take a year's notice of vacation time. If there is no policy written about how to give notice of days off, then she really has done nothing wrong.


But regardless, her boss could have been a bit more diplomatic in the whole thing.

I agree!

I have never had to give more than about 2 weeks notice for vacation time and I have worked for several different companies.

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Good job Helene! Grumpy you're fired!

I feel shame...

the only way I can make it up is to drink some rum.

(hehehehehhehe)

lets see, this thread is about the boss getting married to her daughter at the brothers house in two weeks?

no, that dosn't sound right....

wait...

a bit more rum.........

 

[luvsJack]

I agree!

I have never had to give more than about 2 weeks notice for vacation time and I have worked for several different companies.

Same here. Heck around my job (a three campus community college) some people give a weeks notice or less. And that is even someone that is leaving the rest of us in a bind while they are gone. The college looks at it as the person has the earned time and has the right to take it. We all know there are certain times that taking off is a big no-no but even then there are those that get special permission.

 

[Arielle22]

From a legal standpoint, the boss does not have to grant vacation time, either paid or unpaid. In some states vacation is considered wages once accrued and must be paid at termination.

However any company can change their policy on a go-forward basis and not allow any time off. Companies can also deny the requested time off with no reason given if they so choose.

This may not be the best course of action but it is legal.

Even if OP goes to the second boss and that boss agrees, it is going to affect the working relationship between her and boss one. So she needs to consider all the long term ramifications of whatever action she decides on.