Need Advice. Canon TRI or T4I, what lens

kbritton

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Hello

I just sold all my old camera equipment and Im looking to get a new one. Should I get the discounted Canon T3i or the just released T4i. What would be a good all around lens to carry around the parks. In the past all my indoor shots without a flash have been pretty crappy. Im hoping a better camera and a good lens will help with this. My trip is coming up at the end of the month so Im looking to purchase soon

Thanks for any help:)
KB
 
Hello and welcome to the Dis.

It may help to know what equipment you previously had; what type of subjects you predominantly shoot and what sort of budget you have in mind. If you have a trip coming up and you want to shoot in low light conditions, you might find that you may need to invest in decent lenses as well as a new camera body.

Also do you particularly have an inclination for Canon? Have you gone into a store to hold and feel different cameras and brands? It may be that another brand camera might suit your hands better.
 
I ended up buying the Canon T3i back in December after years of point and shoot digital, and 35 slr film cameras. This is the best camera I have ever owned!
I looked at both Canon and Nikon, and the Canon just seemed to work better for me, but either one would be a good choice.
As far as lenses, I bought a package with the 18-55 and an 55-250 zoom lenses. I am well pleased with them, even though I read after purchase some just so-so reviews.
I am thinking about getting an 18-135 zoom, as my general 'go to' carry around lens. I think this would be ideal for most shots in the parks.
As far as indoor without flash, about all you can do is look for a wide aperture lens, like something with a f2.8 aperture which are usually pricey and tend to weigh a bit; something to think about if you are carrying it around all day in the park.
 
Hello

I just sold all my old camera equipment and Im looking to get a new one. Should I get the discounted Canon T3i or the just released T4i. What would be a good all around lens to carry around the parks. In the past all my indoor shots without a flash have been pretty crappy. Im hoping a better camera and a good lens will help with this. My trip is coming up at the end of the month so Im looking to purchase soon

Thanks for any help:)
KB

Low light shots... much of getting good low light shots is the user. There are cameras that make it easier, but it still takes some knowing what mode/settings to use when to get consistent results.

Of those two I'd go with the T3i myself. They both use basically the same sensor and image processor, so the image quality will be pretty equal on both. It comes down to features. Go to some place like dpreview.com and put them side by side and see which features you need and if what the T4i has is worth the increase in price. Also, I would consider all brands as mentioned. There aren't really any bad DSLR's on the market right now so you can't go wrong. Find the features you want in a camera that fits both your budget and your hands.

I usually advise getting just the kit lens and using it for a little bit until you see where it comes up short for you. That will give you a better idea of your shooting style and which lens to look at next for you. We can make lens recs all day but in the end they're the lenses that fit us and not you. And we all shoot differently. But a standard entry level Canon lens setup is the 18-55 kit, the 55-250 for telephoto and the 50mm f/1.8 for low light. They cover you pretty well if you really feel like you need everything from the get go and they're relatively inexpensive. Also if you decide to sell one you won't loose much cash on it.
 

Thanks
I had a 2006 nikon d80 with some kit lenses. The ISO alone on the new cameras is very impressive. I would love to get some good pictures of the indoor low light shows. I am the designated family photographer and I'm responsible for capturing the magic. We have 3 kids so Im usually taking pictures of them. I'm looking for a canon this time around. We are going down to Disney the end of the month so I need to make up my mind soon. I'm kinda thinking the Canon t4i but Im lost on the lens. My number one concern is great poppy pictures nice color. Not as concerned with video.
 
Thanks
I had a 2006 nikon d80 with some kit lenses. The ISO alone on the new cameras is very impressive. I would love to get some good pictures of the indoor low light shows. I am the designated family photographer and I'm responsible for capturing the magic. We have 3 kids so Im usually taking pictures of them. I'm looking for a canon this time around. We are going down to Disney the end of the month so I need to make up my mind soon. I'm kinda thinking the Canon t4i but Im lost on the lens. My number one concern is great poppy pictures nice color. Not as concerned with video.

Ahh... so you already have an idea of how you shoot with a DSLR and what you want.

How much do you want to spend? For low light the Canon 50mm f/1.8 is great for entry level but the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 rocks on a crop body. It also costs a bit more.

You said video isn't a concern, but I wanted to point out that Canon does have a couple of STM lenses out now. These lenses will auto focus with video, where others will not. One is an STM version of the 18-55 kit lens. The other is the 40mm f/2.8 STM.
 
Thanks
I had a 2006 nikon d80 with some kit lenses. The ISO alone on the new cameras is very impressive. I would love to get some good pictures of the indoor low light shows. I am the designated family photographer and I'm responsible for capturing the magic. We have 3 kids so Im usually taking pictures of them. I'm looking for a canon this time a

round. We are going down to Disney the end of the month so I need to make up my mind soon. I'm kinda thinking the Canon t4i but Im lost on the lens. My number one concern is great poppy pictures nice color. Not as concerned with video.

generally the better, more expensive lens will give you the better "poppy pictures". And if you have prior DSLR experience you probably already know about large aperture primes and f2.8 zooms like the Canon 17-55, Tamron, Sigma 17-50, etc. which are better than the kit lens.
For the differences in Canon models compare features at
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras/

The latest Rebel T4i /650D) has some nice upgrades (higher FPS rate, additional video features, etc.) but some prefer the larger, older 60D which has been on sale recently for $600 in the "loyalty" program. Also ask in a Canon forum like
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
 
I do appreciate the advice.

I consider myself a very novice photographer but I love photography and would like to get better. I have a few more questions. In searching for a new DSLR I have been seeing a lot of buzz about the mirror less cameras. They are not going to give you the quality of a Canon t4i correct? Even though the T3i is cheaper Im feeling more inclined to go with the Canon T4i. The specs are somewhat better. Now I need to figure out the lens. I use to have a nikkor 18-200 that was a great walk around the park lens. Amazon has the T4i with the 18-135mm EF-S IS STM Lens for 1,199.00. I hear the Stm lens is great for video. My number one concern is good pictures. Should I buy just the body then look for a lens in the 18-200 range? What do you guys think of Sigma lenses? Another bit of info my sister is giving me a Cannon 50mm 1.4 lens, and said I could borrow her Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Image Stabilizer USM Auto focus Lens for the trip. Knowing all of that what lens would you combine with that body. Thanks for being patient. I'm annoying myself with this post


Kb:)
 
I forgot one thing
Where do you purchase from?
looking for the best deal from someone trust worthy?
 
Low light shots... much of getting good low light shots is the user. There are cameras that make it easier, but it still takes some knowing what mode/settings to use when to get consistent results.

Of those two I'd go with the T3i myself. They both use basically the same sensor and image processor, so the image quality will be pretty equal on both. It comes down to features.

I thought the T3i used DIGIC4 and the T4i DIGIC5? In theory, DIGIC5 is supposed to have better low-light performance. (I know the 5D MkII used DIGIC4 and the MkIII DIGIC5.)
 
Ugh I thought I had this kinda figured out in which way to go for a camera body then I saw the low light shots that Hockeyman got with the sony a55. Great Shots! Would I be able to pull that off with the canon t4i in the dark moving????
 
I thought the T3i used DIGIC4 and the T4i DIGIC5? In theory, DIGIC5 is supposed to have better low-light performance. (I know the 5D MkII used DIGIC4 and the MkIII DIGIC5.)

Whoa... You are correct. (and this is exactly why you should take everything you read on line with a grain of salt. And sometimes some tequila. Because who knows who is gonna spout misinformation) No idea where I read they kept the same image processor, but the newer tech does make it more worth the price increase. So the newer processor is supposed to improve video and will help you if you shoot jpegs. And the sensor is supposed to improve video and auto focus.

kbritton said:
Ugh I thought I had this kinda figured out in which way to go for a camera body then I saw the low light shots that Hockeyman got with the sony a55. Great Shots! Would I be able to pull that off with the canon t4i in the dark moving????

Depends on what lens you're using and how well you know how to use the camera. I've gotten low light ride shots with my Canon 50D and a fast prime and it doesn't have quite the ISO range/performance of the T4i. Others on the board here have done better that me using cameras with less ISO range than what I've got. So there is no reason you shouldn't be able to with a little know how.

Also keep in mind the a55 is not a true DSLR. It uses an electronic viewfinder rather than an optical TTL viewfinder and that takes the SLR out of DSLR. It's a deal breaker for some but others love EVF. Totally a preference thing.
 
In searching for a new DSLR I have been seeing a lot of buzz about the mirror less cameras. They are not going to give you the quality of a Canon t4i correct?

From what I have read and learned, this is incorrect. Mirror less is just as good IQ-wise.

If I were buying a new camera and had no gear, I would probably go with a mirror less.

It really seems to do every thing a DSLR can do, but with a fraction of the weight and heft.
 
Which mirrorless???
I just sold all my Nikon d80 and I am starting over. I really like the indoor dark shots that were produced by the Sony a55. Getting clean outdoor shots are not a problem but when in Disney trying to get Picts of one of the shows or rides has always equaled blurry pictures for me the novice
 
Which mirrorless???
I just sold all my Nikon d80 and I am starting over. I really like the indoor dark shots that were produced by the Sony a55. Getting clean outdoor shots are not a problem but when in Disney trying to get Picts of one of the shows or rides has always equaled blurry pictures for me the novice


well that's going to be the lens, not the camera (generally...I suppose some are better at handling high ISO shots than others, but then again you can post-process out ISO noise also).

you need a fast lens (i.e. =wide aperture,= low f-number)

you can get fast lenses for mirrorless the same as you can get fast lenses for DSLRs.

as to which mirrorless I'm no help as I haven't researched them sorry!
 
Which mirrorless???
I just sold all my Nikon d80 and I am starting over. I really like the indoor dark shots that were produced by the Sony a55. Getting clean outdoor shots are not a problem but when in Disney trying to get Picts of one of the shows or rides has always equaled blurry pictures for me the novice

I'd say, based on reading all of this thread so far, that the best advice is to slow down and read up. You don't sound as if you quite know all of the market, what's available, what suits your needs, etc. It will be worth it for you to do a little more research as to what the various DSLR, SLT, and mirrorless options are to make sure you get one that works best for you. And be very very careful when browsing camera forums, especially brand-specific ones, because you are going to get a lot of contradictory comments that can be confusing - lots of 'this brand stinks' stuff countered by tons of 'this brand is the bomb and YOU stink' stuff. Try to steer clear of any threads that try too hard to say why one brand is better or worse than all others, because it simply isn't true.

First, there's not going to be any significant differences between the DSLR/SLT products by any of the big brand names in the market: Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Pentax. Each of them may have entry level offerings, medium level offerings, and higher end or pro offerings, and pretty much each of them will be comparable in any given category. There may be specific features or advantages with each brand - larger lens selections, better backward compatibility, specialized features like stabilization in body or video specs...but for the most part, they all tend to balance out between their advantages and disadvantages. And feel is important - see which ones fit you best, because they're not all the same.

Second, the mirrorless cameras are indeed perfectly capable of matching the IQ of DSLRs - in fact, several of the mirrorless models use the exact same APS-C sensor, so there's nothing IQ-wise that makes them any different. The sensor you'll find in many Nikon, Pentax and Sony DSLR/SLT models is the very same one in several Sony's NEX models, for example. As with anything, the mirrorless cameras are a package of advantages and disadvantages that have to be weighed against your needs and likes. They are indeed much more compact, lighter, and very capable, while they also inevitably suffer from smaller grips and ergonomic differences, smaller buffers, and less battery life, and use different focus systems.

As for the low light needs, again - the brand won't be a factor here - the same lovely low light photos can be taken with any brand of DSLR, SLT, or mirrorless model. What will make the better results are the lens used, the photographer who takes the shot, and the processing technique or software they use. Brand name is just about the LEAST important factor in how good the IQ of any of these cameras is!

Take the time to research the sensors - look at the mirrorless models in both M4:3 sensor format (Olympus and Panasonic) and APS-C format (Sony, Samsung, Canon), and see the relative differences or similarities in performance compared to DSLRs and SLT models. Try out some of the Sony SLT models in person to see if you like electronic viewfinders or not - again, they have some big advantages and some disadvantages compared to shooting with an optical viewfinder, and you may love it, not like it, or be completely adaptable to either. Once you start honing in on systems you like, make sure they have the lenses you'll want to use...most of the DSLR/SLT systems have 100+ lenses available to them, between the manufacturer lineup and third party lens makers, and even the smallest of them will stretch to over 300 lenses available if you include older autofocus lenses that can be bought used and still work fine. The mirrorless systems on the other hand all have much smaller lens selection that will autofocus - still might be plenty to meet your needs, but the largest of them (M4:3) only have 30 or so lenses available and some are so new they only have 2 or 3 (Canon) - Sony and Samsung both have 10-20 lenses for their mounts that will autofocus. But a side perk of these mirrorless systems is that if you're willing to forego autofocus, they can actually mount tens of thousands of lenses from nearly any mount ever made in history.

Good luck, and hope any of that helps!
 
I'd say, based on reading all of this thread so far, that the best advice is to slow down and read up. You don't sound as if you quite know all of the market, what's available, what suits your needs, etc. It will be worth it for you to do a little more research as to what the various DSLR, SLT, and mirrorless options are to make sure you get one that works best for you. And be very very careful when browsing camera forums, especially brand-specific ones, because you are going to get a lot of contradictory comments that can be confusing - lots of 'this brand stinks' stuff countered by tons of 'this brand is the bomb and YOU stink' stuff. Try to steer clear of any threads that try too hard to say why one brand is better or worse than all others, because it simply isn't true.

First, there's not going to be any significant differences between the DSLR/SLT products by any of the big brand names in the market: Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Pentax. Each of them may have entry level offerings, medium level offerings, and higher end or pro offerings, and pretty much each of them will be comparable in any given category. There may be specific features or advantages with each brand - larger lens selections, better backward compatibility, specialized features like stabilization in body or video specs...but for the most part, they all tend to balance out between their advantages and disadvantages. And feel is important - see which ones fit you best, because they're not all the same.

Second, the mirrorless cameras are indeed perfectly capable of matching the IQ of DSLRs - in fact, several of the mirrorless models use the exact same APS-C sensor, so there's nothing IQ-wise that makes them any different. The sensor you'll find in many Nikon, Pentax and Sony DSLR/SLT models is the very same one in several Sony's NEX models, for example. As with anything, the mirrorless cameras are a package of advantages and disadvantages that have to be weighed against your needs and likes. They are indeed much more compact, lighter, and very capable, while they also inevitably suffer from smaller grips and ergonomic differences, smaller buffers, and less battery life, and use different focus systems.

As for the low light needs, again - the brand won't be a factor here - the same lovely low light photos can be taken with any brand of DSLR, SLT, or mirrorless model. What will make the better results are the lens used, the photographer who takes the shot, and the processing technique or software they use. Brand name is just about the LEAST important factor in how good the IQ of any of these cameras is!

Take the time to research the sensors - look at the mirrorless models in both M4:3 sensor format (Olympus and Panasonic) and APS-C format (Sony, Samsung, Canon), and see the relative differences or similarities in performance compared to DSLRs and SLT models. Try out some of the Sony SLT models in person to see if you like electronic viewfinders or not - again, they have some big advantages and some disadvantages compared to shooting with an optical viewfinder, and you may love it, not like it, or be completely adaptable to either. Once you start honing in on systems you like, make sure they have the lenses you'll want to use...most of the DSLR/SLT systems have 100+ lenses available to them, between the manufacturer lineup and third party lens makers, and even the smallest of them will stretch to over 300 lenses available if you include older autofocus lenses that can be bought used and still work fine. The mirrorless systems on the other hand all have much smaller lens selection that will autofocus - still might be plenty to meet your needs, but the largest of them (M4:3) only have 30 or so lenses available and some are so new they only have 2 or 3 (Canon) - Sony and Samsung both have 10-20 lenses for their mounts that will autofocus. But a side perk of these mirrorless systems is that if you're willing to forego autofocus, they can actually mount tens of thousands of lenses from nearly any mount ever made in history.

Good luck, and hope any of that helps!


Thanks so much for taking your time to give me such an informative answer. I looked at some of your photography and Im rally jealous of your disney pictures they are fantastic.
I thought about it and Im going to go with the Canon T4I. My sister is giving me a 50mm 1.4 lens which im really happy about. That should be good for the low light shots. Now I need to decide what to pair up with the 50mm lens. Do I go with
1. Canon 18-135mm EF-S IS STM Lens

or

2. Canon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS + 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

I could really use some help with the lens?????;)
 
If you're talking about the Canon 75-300 f/4-5.6 run far, far away. It's the only Canon lens I would tell someone not to buy. Ever. It was an adequate lens for film but it's purple fringe, lack of contrast and overall softness really show with digital. The only reason I have mine still (I've had mine since the 90's) is because it really isn't worth selling and every once in a while I do use it for that little bit of extra reach. If low cost is your aim the Canon 55-250 is a solid entry level lens or you can go even cheaper used with a 70-210 f/4 (check KEH.com), which is an outstanding older lens with near L quality optics. There are also tele-zoom offerings in the same price range from Sigma and Tamron that I'd go for before getting the Canon 75-300.
 
Thanks so much for taking your time to give me such an informative answer. I looked at some of your photography and Im rally jealous of your disney pictures they are fantastic.
I thought about it and Im going to go with the Canon T4I. My sister is giving me a 50mm 1.4 lens which im really happy about. That should be good for the low light shots. Now I need to decide what to pair up with the 50mm lens. Do I go with
1. Canon 18-135mm EF-S IS STM Lens

or

2. Canon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS + 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

I could really use some help with the lens?????;)

I'm a n00b but I wish I would have waited for the 18-135 STM lens. I still probably would have bought the 18-55 separately but right now you can't get the 18-135 any way but in the kit.

If you decide on the 18-55, I will trade you mine (It's like new, completely pristine) for the 18-135stm and compensate you for the troubles and cost difference.

I've got my 18-55 range covered with another lens and the STM is something I'm lacking for what I want to do with it.
 
I thought about it and Im going to go with the Canon T4I. My sister is giving me a 50mm 1.4 lens which im really happy about. That should be good for the low light shots. Now I need to decide what to pair up with the 50mm lens. Do I go with
1. Canon 18-135mm EF-S IS STM Lens

or

2. Canon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS + 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

I could really use some help with the lens?????;)

I agree with Photochick, do not get the 75-300 !
The 55-250IS is often on sale for $150, it's a much better telephoto and sometimes paired with the 18-55IS as a kit which is a good inexpensive combination for starting out. But I've heard the newer 18-135 is better for video (and better than the older version )
 

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