Name 1 thing you think will be better in America if Kerry is elected.

[ThreeCircles]

Like I said, it has to be made up-front.

 

[teh fish]

up front before conception.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Of course.

 

[teh fish]

then there would be no need for an abortion.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
However, Edwards voted against the ban on pba's that Bush promoted. He insists on preserving the right to pba if the mother's life is in danger. Being against PBA is not, in my opinion being against a woman's right to choose.

He insists on preserving the right to pba if the mother's life is in danger.

That provision was in the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban that Senator Edwards voted against.

`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. This paragraph shall not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS CONCERNING ROE V. WADE AND PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BANS.

(a) FINDINGS- Congress finds that--

(1) abortion has been a legal and constitutionally protected medical procedure throughout the United States since the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)); and

(2) no partial birth abortion ban shall apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

(b) SENSE OF CONGRESS- It is the sense of the Congress that partial birth abortions are horrific and gruesome procedures that should be banned.

SEC. 4. SENSE OF CONGRESS CONCERNING A WOMAN'S LIFE AND HEALTH.

It is the sense of the Congress that, consistent with the rulings of the Supreme Court, a woman's life and health must always be protected in any reproductive health legislation passed by Congress.

Richard

 

[ThreeCircles]

I'm not sure I'm following your argument. Why would there be no need for abortion?

By making the decision "up-front" I mean they can either choose to use birth control measures, choose to not have sex with someone who may become pregnant, or discuss the issue with the woman prior to engaging in sex.

After conception occurs, as I said, hopefully the two parents will have a positive discourse on the matter and come to a mutually agreed-upon decision but ultimately, it is the woman's decision to make.

 

[peachgirl]

At the risk of turning this into an endless abortion debate...

Also included in that ban was the following:

partial-birth abortion is never medically indicated to preserve the health of the mother;

So in effect, while they did include the exception for "life" of the mother, they didn't include "health".

Unless the mother and her physician could prove that she would die, the procedure could not take place.

That's an impossible hurdle to jump and the right to lifers knew it. It is, for all intents and purposes, banning pba's in nearly all cases.

 

[teh fish]

by having discussions up front, there will be no need for abortion. Once the choice is made to have sex, both partners have to deal with all consequences. There is no choice of whether to keep the baby or not. Abortion is never the answer.