Mass shooting ChCh NZ

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  1. Hikergirl

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    There are 330 million people in the US, the prison system represents a small subset of that number, 2,200,000 according to BJS. Even if all 2+ million of those people held those beliefs I'd call that the fringe.
     
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  2. LSUmiss

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    Since when does left or right wing matter anyway. Ppl like this should be seen as on the fringe. I dont see a need to defend or correct whatever side of extremism he identifies with whether you consider yourself conservative, liberal or moderate.
     
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  4. Hikergirl

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    I think there is alot of twisting of anti-illegal immigration into anti-immigration that may make it seem that it's becoming more mainstream.
    Again that is my own perception, I haven't actually looked at any stats regarding these groups that hold these beliefs.

    I don't know how to stop these kinds of terrorist acts, I honestly don't think it is possible. There will always be those who hate, who see something wrong they need to right. Those who act on their hatred because they are twisted.
     
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    Makes me sad to be an American (when usually I'm very proud) that we are exporting that kind of hate all over the globe.
     
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  6. LSUmiss

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    I’m pretty sure the poster is referring to the fact that a very small percentage of Muslims are terrorists. THAT’S a scary thought process, IMO.
     
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  7. LSUmiss

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    Exactly. White guy=mentally ill. Non-white guy=evil.
     
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  8. mummabear

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    If it helps any the perpetrator was Austrailian, which sadly has always had some very racist groups, and ChCh while being a wonderful and diverse cities, is one of two in NZ known for their skinhead problems.

    People with this kind of hate are sadly all over the world.
     
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  9. EMom

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    Is there some rule that says a person can’t be disturbed (I never said mentally ill and personally would equate disturbed more with twisted.) AND evil all at once? Because I’ve seen that combo more times than I’m comfortable with. And the combo showed up in various races.
     
  10. LSUmiss

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    Ted Buddy was not mentally ill.
     
  11. Hikergirl

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    He wasn't normal either. Unless you think serial killers are right in the head?
     
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  12. LSUmiss

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    He was a sociopath/psychopath, but what does that matter in the end? I’m not being snarky. I’m really asking. Ppl like to talk about “mental health” when these things happen. This is a not mentally ill person who might not have down this if he had the proper treatment. I’m not saying that ppl like this can’t possibly be mitigated or prevented, I’m just saying access to mental health care would not have prevented this.
     
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  13. Hikergirl

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    Ted Bundy was first diagnosed with biopolar disorder, but then it was later changed to ASPD, which is a mental condition.

    For me, mentioning mental health isn't to say that access to treatment could have prevented any of this, it is a way of acknowledging that people who carry out such acts as killing 50 people have something very wrong inside their minds.
     
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  14. luvsJack

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    I do think there is some misunderstanding when some say anything about someone being mentally ill or sick or nutters or whatever.

    Anyone of any race, nationality, political party, belief system or whatever who takes a gun and opens fire in a place where there are other humans, or flies a plane into such a place or straps a bomb to their chest and blows themself up in such a place or drives a truck with explosives into such a place has something very wrong inside their minds. Label however you want to.

    This also includes anyone that hurts or kills another person because they look different or believe different than they do. However they label their cause or their organization or their group, if they hate another person to that extreme, something is wrong in them.

    None of that excuses it. None of that says we should do “this” and not “that”. It just is.

    My prayers are with those affected by this event.
     
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  15. LSUmiss

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    Many mental health professionals would argue that ASPD is NOT a mental condition. It’s basically just a description of a sociopath. I agree ppl like that have something wrong with them, but if they aren’t psychotic (which most aren’t) then they know right from wrong. I am bothered when ppl bring up mental health in these situations b/c I think it stigmatizes & minimizes those with real mental illness.
     
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  16. tarheelmjfan

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    This is so incredibly sad. It seems humanity is more divided now than ever in my lifetime.
     
  17. Gumbo4x4

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    We don’t use the term “terrorist” to describe ALL mass shooters because many of them are simply nutters on a binge. By definition, terrorism requires an agenda. It’s the same reason we don’t call drive by shootings in the ghetto “terrorism”.

    The incident at hand is obviously an act of terrorism.
     
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  18. mummabear

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    There are currently 87 people listed as missing after the qtta is, including a 3 year old boy.
     
  19. Planogirl

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    I think that learning about these maniacs is important. What makes them tick and can they be recognized ahead of time somehow? They are guilty of evil acts and should be treated like the vermin they are of course. But I agree that they are not normal and that fact shouldn't be ignored. I hate to believe that this is the new normal and that it has to stay that way.

    My heart goes out to the victims. This craziness has gone on way too long.
     
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    A relative of mine has an adult son, and he's always been off since preschool age. In the South, we say, "That boy ain't right." No diagnosis to explain it, but he was one of those teens that had we gotten the phone call that he'd shot up a school, no one would have been shocked. We give him a wide berth and haven't seen him in years. His mother has always excused it as "he's all boy," which makes me cringe.

    I used to teach in a fairly large school and about once a year or two, a kid would come along whom everyone had the same uneasy feeling about. If we found out that killed their family over the weekend or that they went on a school shooting spree, no one would have been surprised. In every case, including the relative, what they have in common is incredible rage. Not anger, mind you, but RAGE. Not rage because of anything in particular either. Just an all consuming rage.

    If one of them had ever found an outlet for their rage, such as an online group that hates XYZ, they would likely have readily latched onto it, not because it was actually a deeply held belief, but because it gave them an outlet for their rage. A target, a focus, with a support system. An audience. This was before the internet was what it is, but there are still people out there today, just like those students. And now they have easy access to groups which help them focus their rage.

    I don't know what makes them this way, but I know they exist.
     
  21. Hikergirl

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    So, we shouldn't discuss the very real possibility that these (in this case) terrorists are mentally unstable?

    There are plenty of studies and research mentioned here that one can look in to further if so inclined.
    https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter...3626-serious-mental-illness-and-mass-homicide
     
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