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[SimplyMagical]

Mickey Mouse Waffle maker for $21; big disney mugs for $2.50; set of little mermaid xmas ornaments for $9, etc., etc. Anyone else take advantage of the Disney Store sale on Saturday. Most items were 50% off, plus an additional 25% through noon, then add the DVC discount!!! As we speak, I am sipping coffee from my new Tinkerbell mug, awaiting my Mickey Mouse waffle (my husband even has his Mickey Mouse apron on while making my waffle). I think we are becoming disney addicts! Happy Holidays to our fellow DVC members!!

 

[MelissathePooh]

DR has always wanted that waffle maker until he read the warning on it about some component causing cancer/death and birth defects in California.

He saw the warning on the Disney Store website. Was it inculded with your waffle maker? We're trying to figureo out if its just for California or if all non-stick has that warning in California. Either way it was pretty disturbing. Was there a warning with yours?

 

[sdamico71]

I seem to remember that I read somewhere that California is real strict with their laws. I don't know the name of the component, but it is also in that hose that folds flat.
I have the waffle maker and have no problems. I purchased several years ago, and did not get any type of warning.

 

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by SimplyMagical
Mickey Mouse Waffle maker for $21; big disney mugs for $2.50; set of little mermaid xmas ornaments for $9, etc., etc. Anyone else take advantage of the Disney Store sale on Saturday. ...(snip)... awaiting my Mickey Mouse waffle (my husband even has his Mickey Mouse apron on while making my waffle ). ..........

I'm jealous! Not of your good deals - but of the fact that you found a DH who not only loves Disney, but is willing to make you a Mickey waffle while you sip coffee! Congratulations!

And Happy Holidays to you and yours, too!

 

[MiaSRN62]

Mickey Mouse Waffle maker for $21; big disney mugs for $2.50; set of little mermaid xmas ornaments for $9, etc., etc. Anyone else take advantage of the Disney Store sale on Saturday. Most items were 50% off, plus an additional 25% through noon, then add the DVC discount!!! As we speak, I am sipping coffee from my new Tinkerbell mug,

Terrific buys SimplyMagical. I got the Tink mug for myself on Wednesday and the Mickey mug for dh. But I paid about $4.50 for them They were 40% off then add the DVC 10%. You really got a steal because they're great mugs. Also got the buy-one, get-one plush for the kids. Picked out pajama Sulley and pajama Eeyore for my girls. Maybe I'll have to head back there today because a friend told me they announced the Pirates of the Carribean DVD in the store on Friday for $14.99.
Congrats on your finds and hope you enjoy many more Mickey waffles in the future !

 

[Lisa F]

California is absolutely nuts about their labeling laws. The reason it shows up on the disney store website is that people from california may be ordering from there. They have a long list of substances that fall under that "warning" and the warning shows up on lots of products (i know all of my snowglobes and other resin type sculptures have them). Basically it doesn't mean much in reality. It could be that a piece of the plug is shown to cause cancer if ingested (who eats plugs?) or something ridiculous like that. Making waffles on a mickey waffle maker will not cause cancer and 49 other states have not seen fit to protect their citizens from this possibility.

Hope that helps,
Lisa

 

[gopherit]

Yes, I second the vote that a Mickey waffler will not deform you or those you love (unless, of course, you eat so many that you look like the blueberry girl on Willy Wonka, but that's another matter entirely!)

Andthe "scare" on non-stick cookware personally bugs the crapola out of me. As a research chemist, I have personally TRIED to make "bad things" come off of the very same plastics used for your non-stick cookware, as well as other plastics, to no avail. (I did my research for other reasons, not EPA purposes, but I should note that the EPA recently even said there was no real evidence anyway.)

I am always disappointed when I see sensationalism in action; the public is thrown a tiny piece of info and, taken out of context, it becomes a life threatening plague. (After all -- where is the story if they report "And everything was fine"?) For example, if I told you that there was a substance that could do serious harm or even kill dogs in clinical trials if they ate even a few grams of it, you would want to avoid that chemical at all cost, wouldn't you? That "chemical" would be chocolate. Let's face it, if you stuff a 1kg rat with 5 kg of ANYTHING, even peanut butter, I would sure expect ramifications! (Consider an average 180 lb adult eating 900 lbs of peanut butter?) So just because Mr. Rat develops heart problems and heavens knows what else before croaking a dry-roasted death, it doesn't mean peanut butter is lethal. Mind you, I am totally for environmental control, and responsible care of our world and its inhabitants... but it's gone overboard.
It's become too legal a society -- everyone wants someone / something to blame, so everything has to have disclaimers and waivers, everyone has to cover their rears.

But I'm hopping off my soapbox now...

Hey, Enjoy your waffle... and put some extra syrup on it just for me! Life is for living!

 

[MelissathePooh]

We're not usually ones to worry about much, but we had never seen this particular warning before and it stood out.

Thanks

 

[MelissathePooh]

Originally posted by gopherit
Yes, I second the vote that a Mickey waffler will not deform you or those you love (unless, of course, you eat so many that you look like the blueberry girl on Willy Wonka, but that's another matter entirely!)

Andthe "scare" on non-stick cookware personally bugs the crapola out of me. As a research chemist, I have personally TRIED to make "bad things" come off of the very same plastics used for your non-stick cookware, as well as other plastics, to no avail. (I did my research for other reasons, not EPA purposes, but I should note that the EPA recently even said there was no real evidence anyway.)

I am always disappointed when I see sensationalism in action; the public is thrown a tiny piece of info and, taken out of context, it becomes a life threatening plague. (After all -- where is the story if they report "And everything was fine"?) For example, if I told you that there was a substance that could do serious harm or even kill dogs in clinical trials if they ate even a few grams of it, you would want to avoid that chemical at all cost, wouldn't you? That "chemical" would be chocolate. Let's face it, if you stuff a 1kg rat with 5 kg of ANYTHING, even peanut butter, I would sure expect ramifications! (Consider an average 180 lb adult eating 900 lbs of peanut butter?) So just because Mr. Rat develops heart problems and heavens knows what else before croaking a dry-roasted death, it doesn't mean peanut butter is lethal. Mind you, I am totally for environmental control, and responsible care of our world and its inhabitants... but it's gone overboard.
It's become too legal a society -- everyone wants someone / something to blame, so everything has to have disclaimers and waivers, everyone has to cover their rears.

But I'm hopping off my soapbox now...

Hey, Enjoy your waffle... and put some extra syrup on it just for me! Life is for living!

Hi this DR, Melissa's husband she mentioned in her post. Thank you for the kind response. I appreciate your taking the time to reply. I am not from California, so I am not familiar with the statutes of that state. Since my only experience in seeing this warning is with this particular product, I am left wondering if anything containing non-stick, teflon-like substances get this label in California? Knowing that would tell me a lot. As this product only had the warning label - the warning didn't say why it had the label or what about the product was deemed harmful - I am not sure if it pertains only to the teflon or not. I don't know what they have may put on the product, it might be teflon, it might be something else, the label did not say. I really don't have any information about what it is. Also, I appreciate that you are a professional person who works in these areas - do you have any links to information for us poor lay folks who don't have your expertise? After all - and no offense here - opionions aren't worth very much on the internet, I'm sure you would agree that one kind find all sorts of opinions on the internet. So a link to something authoritative would be so helpful - thank you so much.

Thank you again so much I appreciate your insights,
DR

 

[Lisa F]

You don't need to be an expert to do a web search but this is what I came up with:
http://www.aristocraft.com/articles/warning%20label/

At the bottom are official links to california's lists of substances but it has a little bit of an explanation about how the whole thing works.

 

[erikthewise]

Originally posted by gopherit
Let's face it, if you stuff a 1kg rat with 5 kg of ANYTHING, even peanut butter, I would sure expect ramifications!

I find even the notion of a 1kg rat far more frightening than any carcinogens! Your basic Eastern Grey Squirrel seldom exceeds 700g, so a 1kg rat would really be something!

 

[PamOKW]

I wish my one remaining Disney Store (about 45 minutes away), carried something like the waffle maker. They've got tons of Barbie/Sleeping Beauty stuff and stuffed animals....and that's about it.

 

[MelissathePooh]

Originally posted by Lisa F
You don't need to be an expert to do a web search but this is what I came up with:
http://www.aristocraft.com/articles/warning%20label/

At the bottom are official links to california's lists of substances but it has a little bit of an explanation about how the whole thing works.

Hi Lisa, this is DR again, Melissa's husband. I can't get her logged off on her laptop. Thank you so much for taking the time to do a web search. That was an interesting page. I have a model train in the attic, actually a disney world train, so it was particlarly interesting to me. For what its worth, I did a similar search when we first saw the warning on the disney store page, at that time I searched by entering the text of the warning itself. I looked at several pages that came up. However, none of those pages were about waffle makers, or even non-stick surfaces for that matter. I was left to wonder if the warning for the waffle maker was due to the non-stick teflon, or if there was another reason. Because Gopherit had written so authoratively about the subject, I thought that he/she might have some insight into this particular product. This is the reason I asked about it. To be honest, I am still not sure about the reason for the warning on the Mickey Mouse Waffle Maker. I assume it is due to the Teflon/non-stick surface, but you know what happens when you assume. I just wondered if there was any additional information or details about this particular product. Thank you again so much. The aristocraft page about model trains was particularly funny, actually, because they put the warning on the product that it could cause cancer or reproductive harm, then they saw on the web page "The label by no means indicates that our products will cause you to contract cancer or reproductive harm. " Isn't that just hilarious? Wonder what their legal advisors say about that? Again, though, it is difficult for me to generalize from model trains to waffle makers.

DR

 

[MelissathePooh]

Originally posted by erikthewise
I find even the notion of a 1kg rat far more frightening than any carcinogens! Your basic Eastern Grey Squirrel seldom exceeds 700g, so a 1kg rat would really be something!

One time when I was in college, I rented this particulary seedy apartment one year, and, well, nevermind.
DR

 

[Diana Lyn]

SimplyMagical---

You found this sale at the Crossgates Store? Do you know if it was going to be until Christmas? I need to get my butt over there!!!

 

[Lisa F]

DR,

Did you follow the links at the bottom? It included the actual proposition 65 in CA along with a list of the substances considered to be an issue. You will probably find teflon on there but I haven't checked.

 

[gopherit]

Originally posted by erikthewise
I find even the notion of a 1kg rat far more frightening than any carcinogens! Your basic Eastern Grey Squirrel seldom exceeds 700g, so a 1kg rat would really be something!

Yes, it does seem big... I rounded up. Now, my son's guinea pig is about 2 lbs, and that's just under the 2.2046 lbs of a kg, so it's not implausible... although 1 kg is probably pushing it for even the stoutest of rats, agreed!

As for the toxicity debate, now that I've read the Calif. law, it looks like a cover your rump law. Apparently LACK of a warning can put a financial dent in a company if a group decides to pursue it. Can't tell from these articles what chemical is being cited-- they may puposefully make it vague so that if the "list" changes, they are still covered. It may be that in creating the iron, they use chemicals that are on that list (i.e., the chemical may not even be in the final product, or at least not in any appreciable amount). Also, it may be that they haven't got the data to prove otherwise (and data can be costly -- view may not be worth the climb). There are many drugs out there that are labeled as "potentially risky" for a pg woman to take, but only because the mfg doesn't have data to prove otherwise (and THAT sort of data is verrrry $$).

The non-stick (if that is applicable --- does waffle iron state it has a non-stick silverstone or Teflon* finish?) is a different issue. If you are curious -- This link would give you the feedback from the primary supplier of that polymer regarding recent statements about the safety of their product.

http://www1.dupont.com/NASApp/dupon...e=/content/US/en_US/news/position/pfoac8.html

Internet searches would no doubt yield a bunch of info too.
I applaud you for wanting data, references -- you can't get too much of it, and it is awfully easy to get wrong data off the net. After all -- maybe I'm not even a chemist...(although I HAVE stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before! )

 

[d-r]

Lisa and Goferit,
Thanks for the replys. I am assuming that the warning on the waffle maker was from the non-stick surface, and honestly that doesn't really worry me, but the truth is, I'm not 100% sure that the non-stick surface is the reason that the warning is on there. I enjoyed reading the statement from Dupont, and that reassures me about non-stick surfaces. Honestly, I was never that concerned about non-stick cookware (we use non-stick cookware anyway), I was just never really sure if that was the reason that the waffle maker got the label. Because of the way California's statute is written (thanks again for the link Lisa), consumers can not be sure WHAT it is about a product that gets the label - it is probably the teflon, I think that is a really safe assumption, but I can't say for 100% sure.

DR

 

[CK1]

Well, it's not the Teflon*. The chemical name for Teflon* or its kissing cousins is not listed (as it shouldn't be, since after all, it is not, as det'd by FDA, hazardous to humans). I didn't see any of its breakdown products either, for that matter. So my guess is that non-stick is NOT what earned the label.

My guess is either (a) you've got some detail piece somewhere that perhaps contains a trace amount nickel or lead, or perhaps a chemical was used in creating the waffle maker (many paints are solvent-based in application to aid in rapid drying. And nearly any of those type solvents would be on "the list".) Or second possibility (b) is that there really isn't anything on that list that is in your waffle maker -- they just didn't feel like making sure of it, and keeping up with any changes to the list, so they simply stuck the label on it to cover their rear in California.

One more site for Teflon* info is :

http://www.teflon.com/NASApp/Teflon/TeflonPageServlet?pageId=/consumer/na/home_page.jsp

In any case, waffle on, my friend, waffle on.

 

[SimplyMagical]

Wow, I just got back on the computer this a.m., after posting this thread on Sunday a.m. - I couldn't believe the response. I immediately checked the box that the waffle maker came in, as well as the instructions, and there was no type of a warning. I am wondering if it could have been put on the ones sold in Calf. because of the cord. I have gotten Christmas lights that had a warning about handling the lights could potentially cause cancer - ah, how else do you string lights!! Anyway, we have three waffle makers we have used over the years and none of them contained a warning. I think it is strictly a cover your butt label.

Thank you all for the great information though - now off to enjoy my mickey mouse waffle......