Just Back... Musings from first MNSSHP and other thoughts

Zippa D Doodah

<font color=red>Suffering from Fairy Alienation.
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We got back last night (9/5) from a wild and crazy long weekend at WDW.
... MNSSHP was a real treat and I recommend it to anyone, at least once. This was our third party, first since 2012. It was fairly crowded, probably infested with every blogger worth her or his salt. (j/k... I appreciate the bloggers) We did some rides, characters, and trick-or-treating. Hallowishes is always a treat, as is the parade. I was not overly thrilled with the Hocus Pocus show. I mean it was OK, but I sort of miss the old villain show. All in all, I'm glad we paid the extra money and went again.

...We dodged Hurricane Hermine Thursday night and Friday morning with no problems. Had great weather until a soaking rain on Sunday evening.

... It's a long story, but two of us sort of on a goofy dare did FEA on standby. Oh my stars! That queue is an absolute meatgrinder on poor families that have to wait. I saw nearby families go from happy and bouncy to almost Divorce Court. Not to mention the poor kids who were just wilting. Just a guess but I am thinking guest satisfaction is not very high with this attraction due to the long queue. I can imagine that this will keep a lot of first time guests from returning. As for the ride, it was well done. In no way worth the effort though.

... MK was crowded Sunday (as expected). I think the reduced capacity, especially after the rains came, were a problem for operations. I saw huge numbers of people who seemed to be wandering around wondering what to do. I have no problem at all with attractions closed for rehab (currently BTMRR, IASW, Liberty Belleri riverboat, SFTH), but once the storms began and several attractions closed for safety reasons you suddenly had masses of people with nothing to do. The Ariel ride had a FP queue that was clear out to the attraction entrance! Probably 50-60 poor saps were standing in line for a closed SDMT that would not reopen for hours even as it steadily rained on them. I was going to wait around to see MSEP one last time, but DW and I opted for a hot shower instead about 9 o'clock or so. Our kids stayed until midnight and got to see the parade.

... Heaven's to Betsy! The Peter Pan queue was certainly not up to Disney standards Sunday morning. We were among the first ones on, and noted how much trash was in the queue. I am really surprised that no one swept up after closing Saturday night. Also much of the painted scenery and railing had large and noticeable paint chips. Hopefully this classic ride gets some TLC soon.

... Lest it sound like I'm complaining, that is not my intent. We had another great trip that was over too soon, but I am thankful for the time available that we all had together at our family's happy place.
 
You were gluttons for punishment doing FEA standby! Ouch! We did it with FP+ and even then the queue was fairly long.

Glad your trip was a success overall.

Dan
 

PP queue was full of trash at park open? There's no excuse for that.

Yikes on the trash! Thanks for the info on it all!

To specify (and I know this makes me sound waaaay too obsessive), I counted 8 small gum/candy wrappers and two Times Guides along the queue. May have possibly been more in the Darlings house but it was darker and I was paying more attention to the theming as we passed through. I know MK was open until 1am on Saturday so they must have been extraordinarily tight on time to spiff everything up by opening on Sunday morning. I admit it was a bit more like something you'd see at the local amusement park, not WDW. The attraction itself seemed kept well enough, but it may be time to do some thorough cleaning and painting.
 
You were gluttons for punishment doing FEA standby! Ouch! We did it with FP+ and even then the queue was fairly long.

Glad your trip was a success overall.

Dan

We put this trip together with 8 days notice, so naturally FEA FPs were not in the equation. On the bright side I didn't miss much at Epcot that day other than the Seas Pavilion. Made it to Disney Springs for a very lovely late supper. Plus I earned major Dad points for my trouble -heh heh
 
I noticed the same thing regarding cleanliness at MK on our recent trip a couple of different times. I was really surprised, as that is not what we usually see! This was the first trip ever that I actually saw overflowing trash cans AND CMs standing by doing nothing about it. Same as you, though, we still had a great trip and love Disney.
 
I'm glad you had a great time. The trash ad chipped paint i in PP queue at opening is just sloppy, but what do you expect when there aren't enough CM's for maintenance and janitorial duties?
 
I was in the parks on Saturday, 9/3, and at 1 a.m. there was still a 70 hour wait for PP, so it was going to be awhile till the people cleared out. Still no excuse!
 
I have been on Frozen once since it opened and that was FP that just showed up. I liked the tide and thought it was better than Malestrom but would have need disappointed if I waited more than 40 minutes for it.
 
I was in the parks on Saturday, 9/3, and at 1 a.m. there was still a 70 hour wait for PP, so it was going to be awhile till the people cleared out. Still no excuse!
It was as if no one bothered to sweep up after closing Saturday. Like they just closed the ride and left, but nobody came along with a push broom during the night. FWIW I didn't notice any other area like that, just the PP queue.
 
PP always FEELS like a 70 hour wait to me. :joker: As far as any trash goes. I don't blame the CMs as much as I have seen Lazy Guests who won't walk 10 steps to a trash can. There are a million trash cans. USE 'Em!! :thanks:
 
PP always FEELS like a 70 hour wait to me. :joker: As far as any trash goes. I don't blame the CMs as much as I have seen Lazy Guests who won't walk 10 steps to a trash can. There are a million trash cans. USE 'Em!! :thanks:

full of trash just as the park opens?? that doesnt' sound like guests did it to me. There is that chance but I would think walking through the queue is making sure the ride is ready to open.
 
Just curious - how long did you wait for FEA? My dtr cannot stand Frozen so we don't have to worry about riding it (though I personally would like to see it but not to wait in that que).
 
full of trash just as the park opens?? that doesnt' sound like guests did it to me. There is that chance but I would think walking through the queue is making sure the ride is ready to open.
I'm not saying that obviously a CM didn't do the complete job that they should have. I'm just saying that if people would be responsible and throw their trash away to begin with, the problem would be far less. ...that's all.
 
I'm not saying that obviously a CM didn't do the complete job that they should have. I'm just saying that if people would be responsible and throw their trash away to begin with, the problem would be far less. ...that's all.


But ultimately Disney cannot control whether the guests throw their trash away. But they CAN control whether they have staff to clean up, at the very least after closing every night. Heck, I might even dream big and hope they might have staff picking up a couple times during the day as well.

It's just amazing to me how people continue to give Disney a pass when things are not adequately cleaned in the parks. Just remarkable.
 
PP always FEELS like a 70 hour wait to me. :joker: As far as any trash goes. I don't blame the CMs as much as I have seen Lazy Guests who won't walk 10 steps to a trash can. There are a million trash cans. USE 'Em!! :thanks:
Yes, some guests are rude and inconsiderate, but that's not going to change. It's not Disney's job to modify guest behavior. It's Disney's job to to provide appropriate staffing to respond to guest behavior. In this case, that means making sure the park is clean at opening and cleaning things throughout the day.
 
I know people hate to hear it, but there is a difference lately in maintenance in the parks. When I have visited in the past, CMs were constantly picking up trash, sweeping, etc. This year in particular, I saw trash -- and lots of trash -- not just a little bit -- on multiple occasions with CMs standing around talking to each other and no one doing anything about the the trash. This is not something I personally have ever seen before until this year. I'm not sure what caused it, but it is definitely something I haven't seen in any of the years I have visited Disney before.
 


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