Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[DMRick]

wow, an actual "source" that doesn't have glowing reviews of Kate.

What bad things about Kate did he say? I thought I read it, although quickly.

I read the below..was there more? I don't see anything bad, just a matter of fact:

'Jake and Kate are in a similar boat. I want to go on record and say I admire Tony not just because he's my friend. I've spoken to Kate, and I don't think she gets the point of this thing yet. The pain on her face says it all, which is unfortunate. The show is about finding a way to come out, enjoy yourself and have fun. Tony is trying to relay the message while responsibly getting the routine done. He has a plan, and she needs to focus and listen to him. The idea of a coach and a student is deeply rooted in us. We were taught to respect our teachers, so as teachers, we expect to be respected by our students. Every student is different, so we must teach differently, but we're always respectful. Kate needs to trust him. However lifeless that paso was, he had her ready with the routine. I hope she improves and I think she can if she realizes she has an opportunity that she won't have again. It's a chance for her to focus on something other than personal drama. How many women with multiple kids sit back and reminisce about the days they could go and dance when they watch our show? How many people vicariously live through us? You need to enjoy it. '

 

[mhsjax]

I'm not going to look at the worse 12 things, because I remember them. I remember seeing them in context. I also remember TLC deciding to air these moments..and still wonder, why? Each one of the moments were discused and discused here. They happened..and that was then. I haven't seen anything from Kate like that in a long time.

I'm glad my 12 less than 'shining' moments aren't on tape.

And here comes all the bashing again.

I assume once I read the book, I won't be happy with the private letters, if that's what they are, but I do wonder just who advises her. This publisher is known for publishing tasteful items..if these are so private, what were they thinking? What is their responsibility in this? Do they have any? I'm reading a wonderful book right now they published. They aren't known for publishing dirt.

I don't think the Kitchen remodel attitude was that long ago. It was just before they split. And I am just asking, but it seems that everyone is responsible except for Kate. She wrote it, it is a christian publisher, I am sure there isn't anything that is distasteful, but that is different that being responsible for what you put out there about your kids.

I have also had plenty of bad moment, we all have. In fact if truth be known, I actually yelled at hubby the other day in front of kiddos soccer team, I was hurt and having to carry stuff, we were running late and hubby was rushing in from of me. Now, if that had been Jon and Kate, Jon would have just stood there and took it, HOWEVER<, my hubby glred at me and said if you ever do that to me again in public, we are going to have a huge problem. He was right. All I had to do was get his attention and he would have helped me, no questions asked. I have never yelled at him in public like that in 25 years of marriage, and I never will. Point beng we all have moments, but hers seem to be very often and at the expense of everyone around her.

 

[mhsjax]

What bad things about Kate did he say? I thought I read it, although quickly.

I read the below..was there more? I don't see anything bad, just a matter of fact:

'Jake and Kate are in a similar boat. I want to go on record and say I admire Tony not just because he's my friend. I've spoken to Kate, and I don't think she gets the point of this thing yet. The pain on her face says it all, which is unfortunate. The show is about finding a way to come out, enjoy yourself and have fun. Tony is trying to relay the message while responsibly getting the routine done. He has a plan, and she needs to focus and listen to him. The idea of a coach and a student is deeply rooted in us. We were taught to respect our teachers, so as teachers, we expect to be respected by our students. Every student is different, so we must teach differently, but we're always respectful. Kate needs to trust him. However lifeless that paso was, he had her ready with the routine. I hope she improves and I think she can if she realizes she has an opportunity that she won't have again. It's a chance for her to focus on something other than personal drama. How many women with multiple kids sit back and reminisce about the days they could go and dance when they watch our show? How many people vicariously live through us? You need to enjoy it. '

To me its looks as if he is saying that ate doesn't respect Tony, when she told him about his teaching. Kate respects no one, but herself. It may not have been a bad article about her, but at least it is someone real who has a less than stellar view point on certain things about kate. It seems to me that if there is an article with anything remotely negative about Kate, then somehow it is written off because a "sourse is never listed. That's all I am trying to say.

I do think that Kate could have some very good points. Her commitment to things, whatever they may be, seem strong. I wish I had that kind of commitment. She is a real go getter, again, I wish I was. But, she IMHO is gong about it the wrong way. To me she is rude, she has a feeling of entitlement, and that everyone is beneath her. You can have the qualities I listed above without being such a witch or exploiting your children.

 

[kidshop]

What bad things about Kate did he say? I thought I read it, although quickly.

I read the below..was there more? I don't see anything bad, just a matter of fact:

'Jake and Kate are in a similar boat. I want to go on record and say I admire Tony not just because he's my friend. I've spoken to Kate, and I don't think she gets the point of this thing yet. The pain on her face says it all, which is unfortunate. The show is about finding a way to come out, enjoy yourself and have fun. Tony is trying to relay the message while responsibly getting the routine done. He has a plan, and she needs to focus and listen to him. The idea of a coach and a student is deeply rooted in us. We were taught to respect our teachers, so as teachers, we expect to be respected by our students. Every student is different, so we must teach differently, but we're always respectful. Kate needs to trust him. However lifeless that paso was, he had her ready with the routine. I hope she improves and I think she can if she realizes she has an opportunity that she won't have again. It's a chance for her to focus on something other than personal drama. How many women with multiple kids sit back and reminisce about the days they could go and dance when they watch our show? How many people vicariously live through us? You need to enjoy it. '

He is quite polite, but it is clear what he is saying.

 

[DMRick]

To me its looks as if he is saying that ate doesn't respect Tony, when she told him about his teaching. Kate respects no one, but herself. It may not have been a bad article about her, but at least it is someone real who has a less than stellar view point on certain things about kate. It seems to me that if there is an article with anything remotely negative about Kate, then somehow it is written off because a "sourse is never listed. That's all I am trying to say.

The article just above it seems to be about the same I just got the idea that he was commenting on how hard this is, and both Kate and the other person need to trust their coaches.

I do usually not pay attention when a 'source' is listed, instead of a name. But I also don't pay attention if it's someone that doesn't know them. I am paying attention to the people who give their names and are on DWTS with Kate and have spent real time with her (I'm still waiting for Beth to come ..if she speaks, you bet I will listen). So far (and in may be in their contracts, who knows, that they can't bad talk them) while they don't think she can dance (really LOL?), no one seems to be saying that she's a bad person.

I agree that Kate is responsible for her book. I mention the publisher, because they don't usually publish books that are like what I'm hearing this book is. I'm just surprised at them, and wondering what they saw differently from what some of the people here are seeing. Why would they leave how they usually decide what to publish and publish something that could hurt the kids? Again, I am just wondering, who is advising her..and why did this company publish this book if it's not up to their standards?

I thought the kitchen re-do was actually after the pictures of Jon (was it?). I thought Kate seemed out of body. Not with it for the decisions. I thought she was more like a beaten dog, and was there just because she had to be. We may not have known they were separated, but when they discussed the kitchen redo, I just thought she wasn't 'happy' at life.

Yes, it's Kate's fault that she was captured on camera like she was. Again, though I wonder who advises her...why was some of that shown? Was it for the ratings? Many here have admitted yelling at their husbands. Did Jon, as he said later respond and they just didn't show the completion? Why, because the ratings will be higher, or because they know we would talk about her behavior? I wish I could have been a fly on the wall for a couple of hours after these scenes.

 

[DMRick]

He is quite polite, but it is clear what he is saying.

It may be clear to you..if you are seeing something I am not. I just see him commenting on how it's going for Kate. Just like he did for Jake the paragraph above his comment about Kate. Tht she (and Jake) need to trust their teachers. I wouldn't expect him to come out and say, hey, Kate is a terrific dancer. She isn't. I agree with everything he said above..but I didn't take it as a slam against Kate..just the facts. Heck, I do think though, that even if Kate focuses, she won't do well in the dance area. She just can't dance LOL.

 

[Dee77]

Regarding the question about who is advising Kate- I don't think anyone is, I don't think she has a manager or a public relations rep.. and IMHO I think it's because they would need to get a percentage of her wages and she just won't share her money...

 

[kidshop]

It may be clear to you..if you are seeing something I am not. I just see him commenting on how it's going for Kate. Just like he did for Jake the paragraph above his comment about Kate. Tht she (and Jake) need to trust their teachers. I wouldn't expect him to come out and say, hey, Kate is a terrific dancer. She isn't. I agree with everything he said above..but I didn't take it as a slam against Kate..just the facts. Heck, I do think though, that even if Kate focuses, she won't do well in the dance area. She just can't dance LOL.

I don't think you would see it even if he said she needed to respect Tony and wasn't listening to him and didn't get the point of the show.

 

[Dee77]

Maks said that both Kate and Jake need to trust their teachers that part we can all agree on, what is written between the lines has to do with Kate showing no respect for her teacher. It is so obvious what he was trying to convey without outwardly saying she is a witch... With Jake he made the possible excuse for his behavior that he doesn't seem to be comfortable with learning from someone as young as Chelsie, where's the excuse for Kate???? Nowhere, because there is none....

 

[DMRick]

I don't think you would see it even if he said she needed to respect Tony and wasn't listening to him and didn't get the point of the show.

I think he was saying that about Kate and Jake. And he would be right, she should be listening to him. I don't think he's putting Kate down by saying those things. That's what I thought was meant by it being posted...that a 'real' person was quoted as saying something bad about Kate, and so those (me for sure) that don't believe sources, would believe this. I do believe it, I just don't think it was meant as a put down to Kate. Just the truth.

 

[Buckalew11]

Maybe...but I thought Toni or Tony was disrespectful during that interview when they said he was "tough'' and he asked who said that and he stormed off camera like a big baby. I thought Kate stood there and continued the interview and tried to save face for him. She didn't say anything but good about him.

I don't care how tough or how good a teacher Toni (or Tony) or anyone else could be--Kate is a terrible dancer- I think she could dance for a year straight and she'd still be terrible. I think the teachers have some huge egos on that show and they are working with "stars" who also have some big egos--makes for some drama I'm sure.

 

[DMRick]

what is written between the lines has to do with Kate showing no respect for her teacher. It is so obvious what he was trying to convey without outwardly saying she is a witch... With Jake he made the possible excuse for his behavior that he doesn't seem to be comfortable with learning from someone as young as Chelsie, where's the excuse for Kate???? Nowhere, because there is none....

I guess I just trust people at face value and don't read between the lines or assume he is saying some dark message other than what he wrote. It would never occur to me that he meant she was a witch. The excuse for Kate? She can't dance, doesn't get how she's being taught. She should never have been asked to be on the show, but she is.

I took both what he said about Jake and Kate as someone who was observing, and neither of them were doing that well dancing (although Jake way better than Kate). Neither seem to be listening to their partners.

 

[DMRick]

Yeah, that too.

Maybe...but I thought Toni or Tony was disrespectful during that interview when they said he was "tough'' and he asked who said that and he stormed off camera like a big baby. I thought Kate stood there and continued the interview and tried to save face for him. She didn't say anything but good about him.

I don't care how tough or how good a teacher Toni (or Tony) or anyone else could be--Kate is a terrible dancer- I think she could dance for a year straight and she'd still be terrible. I think the teachers have some huge egos on that show and they are working with "stars" who also have some big egos--makes for some drama I'm sure.

 

[Buckalew11]

I think he was saying that about Kate and Jake. And he would be right, she should be listening to him. I don't think he's putting Kate down by saying those things. That's what I thought was meant by it being posted...that a 'real' person was quoted as saying something bad about Kate, and so those (me for sure) that don't believe sources, would believe this. I do believe it, I just don't think it was meant as a put down to Kate. Just the truth.

I'm not so sure she isn't listening to him. She might be listening--she just can't coordinate what he is saying into movement. She just can't dance. I think she most likely sees she can't and the frustration, nerves and inability to be good at something makes her keep spouting off during the practices they show us. It is clear she likes and enjoys perfection--this dancing thing must be killing her. She has no control over how bad she is, really, because (once again) she just can't dance!

Kate's control freak quality tells us there is a lot of fear and anger deep down inside of her. It is a classic sign of those 2 things.

 

[DMRick]

Regarding the question about who is advising Kate- I don't think anyone is, I don't think she has a manager or a public relations rep.. and IMHO I think it's because they would need to get a percentage of her wages and she just won't share her money...

I'm curious, as to how would you know this? I've never heard of anyone getting on shows without some sort of advisor or publicist or agent. That's a part or Kate I don't think I've read anywhere..that she won't give up a percentage of her money for something like this. Surely, someone must be advising her. Even Jon had someone advising him (as bad as that was of course).

 

[kidshop]

I guess I just trust people at face value and don't read between the lines or assume he is saying some dark message other than what he wrote. It would never occur to me that he meant she was a witch. The excuse for Kate? She can't dance, doesn't get how she's being taught. She should never have been asked to be on the show, but she is.

I took both what he said about Jake and Kate as someone who was observing, and neither of them were doing that well dancing (although Jake way better than Kate). Neither seem to be listening to their partners.

Of course not, even if he said just that! LOL! Why the mention of respect? He refers to Jake as a nice, cool guy who deserves to be there. Kate doesn't get the point of the show.

 

[DMRick]

Of course not, even if he said just that! LOL!

I have no idea what the above means.

If you mean if he actually said she was a witch, I wouldn't believe him, you would be wrong.

 

[Dee77]

DMRick- look at my original post again and actually read the whole thing rather than jumping to defend any comment that is against Kate. I wrote that I don't think Kate has a manager or pr rep, and if that's the case then it's IMHO that she wouldn't want to share her $$$.

I commend you for being so loyal to someone that you don't apparently know but there are many of us here that don't really get what the love-fest for Kate is all about based on what we have seen, read etc about her. Believe me I am no fan of Jon's either but he at least did not come across as a disrespectful and obxonious person like Kate over and over and there's also the point that he does not appear to be cashing in his kids every other second.

 

[DMRick]

DMRick- look at my original post again and actually read the whole thing rather than jumping to defend any comment that is against Kate. I wrote that I don't think Kate has a manager or pr rep, and if that's the case then it's IMHO that she wouldn't want to share her $$$.

If you want to hear me not defend her, just post that she is a great dancer, or that she should put her kids back on TV, or that the private moments should be shared. I won't defend the things I think are wrong.

I did read it in full. I'm wondering why you would post, in reponse to my asking if someone is advising her, that you would think not, and the reason is because in your opinion she wouldn't want to share her money. I was curious as to why you would think that enough to post it. I haven't heard anything like that in the many rag mag articles that have been posted. So, is it something you believe, just because you don't like Kate, or have you actually read that somewhere from someone that would actual know this?

but there are many of us here that don't really get what the love-fest for Kate is all about based on what we have seen, read etc about her.

There are many here that don't get the hate-fest for Kate about someone you don't even know, and was mostly judged on an edited TV show. I've seldom read about Kate from people who actually know her, good or bad.

 

[Dee77]

As far as the rep thing goes, this is how I interpret it. She comes across like an idiot so right there that makes me think that she does not have someone there to help her with editing the content of her shows or make statements on her behalf. She also has made it seem as though money coming in is a top priority to raise her kids "basically by herself" as she has actually been quoted saying so there's where I came to the conclusion that she likes to keep the dollars coming in and not going out.

I think the TLC network hasn't done them any favors either. They certainly presented the material in a very unattractive way and if they had a manager working for them in negotiations with the network, I think that the representation of the 2 of them on the couch, content of the shows etc would have been better for their overall image (assuming there was anything positive to work with on the editing room floor.)