Jodi Arias Trial Part 3, STILL in redirect of Jodi, Mar 5

:thanks: I really like Snapped but haven't seen that one. Hopefully I can catch it in reruns.

Are you watching the HLN After Dark?

Yes, people like Nurmi, Jose Baez and that expert guy disgust me beyond belief, they have no souls. Baez defended a baby killer, Nurmi defends pedophiles, Samuels will make claims for anybody with a dollar. Sigh, too much wrong with this world.

ETA: That is, Yes, I'm watching After Dark. Seems sort of silly with the jury who is given a 5 minute trial to make a verdict on.
 
Yes, people like Nurmi, Jose Baez and that expert guy disgust me beyond belief, they have no souls. Baez defended a baby killer, Nurmi defends pedophiles, Samuels will make claims for anybody with a dollar. Sigh, too much wrong with this world.

ETA: That is, Yes, I'm watching After Dark. Seems sort of silly with the jury who is given a 5 minute trial to make a verdict on.

I only watched it until Baez came on, which wasn't long. I did see the reenactment with Mike & Vinnie in the mock rooms though. Very interesting.
 
I only watched it until Baez came on, which wasn't long. I did see the reenactment with Mike & Vinnie in the mock rooms though. Very interesting.

I ended up watching this, but I did not listen to you know who. The closet is not the same, shelves are to close.
 
I really wanted to see them do the reenactment but didn't watch cause of Baez.
 

I really wanted to see them do the reenactment but didn't watch cause of Baez.

Well, I just forgot and missed it and DWTS. :rotfl:

I read on the FB page of "The State vs. Jodi...." that people were talking about 'what did the bailiff say to Jodi? She looked upset'

Anyone catch what that's all about? I'm guessing the bailiff said "stop drawing me naked".
 
Well, I just forgot and missed it and DWTS. :rotfl:

I read on the FB page of "The State vs. Jodi...." that people were talking about 'what did the bailiff say to Jodi? She looked upset'

Anyone catch what that's all about? I'm guessing the bailiff said "stop drawing me naked".

I was looking for that but did not see any comments.
 
I only watched it until Baez came on, which wasn't long. I did see the reenactment with Mike & Vinnie in the mock rooms though. Very interesting.

I saw that as well, but I don't think that it was really all that accurate. I've watched shows before, like Forensic Files, that do a computer re-enactment of what they think happened and it seems pretty accurate because it will show the trajectory (sp) of gun shots and the angles of things. They need to do something like that with possible scenarios.

I ended up watching this, but I did not listen to you know who. The closet is not the same, shelves are to close.

I thought that too, it seemed the bathroom was a little off too (compared to the pictures), but the closet and shelves should have been made exactly to scale. They didn't even have the top shelf where the gun would have been. I'm also bothered that Baez jumped up there right quick and said it wasn't that hard...umm, Baez AND Vinnie are taller than Jodi.

I really wanted to see them do the reenactment but didn't watch cause of Baez.

He's a doofus. "Oh, Jodi was scared out of her mind, she couldn't help what she did...blah blah blah". There was also some lady on the show (blonde) who was playing on the defense team and said that the shooting probably most definitely happened that way. Baez came at her and was in a "linebacker" pose and this lady took the gun and had to practically hold it over her head, point it down and then shoot (too bad the gun wasn't real and loaded), saying "this is easily explained". Ahhh but Jodes claimed she held the gun straight out and shot about the time Travis got to her, not when he was 4 ft away.
 
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He's a doofus. "Oh, Jodi was scared out of her mind, she couldn't help what she did...blah blah blah". There was also some lady on the show (blonde) who was playing on the defense team and said that the shooting probably most definitely happened that way. Baez came at her and was in a "linebacker" pose and this lady took the gun and had to practically hold it over her head, point it down and then shoot (too bad the gun wasn't real and loaded), saying "this is easily explained". Ahhh but Jodes claimed she held the gun straight out and shot about the time Travis got to her, not when he was 4 ft away.

Bathroom was shown to be so small that there was no way that Jodi could of shot him that way and not left a gunshot residue on him if he was charging her and she held the gun as she claims.

All that does not matter though JM is decimating her entire defense one lie at a time. She will either fry if the jury has the balls, or if not she will get life with no parole. Unless something big changes (and I don't even know what that could be) I don't see it going any other way.
 
I don't hate the attorneys. The sixth amendment guarantees the defendant the right to effective counsel. I would rather the defendant receive a rigorous defense and be found guilty, then have ineffective counsel and be grounds for appeal. Remember, the lawyers are basing their defense on what they are being told by the defendant. We don't know what went on behind closed doors, or if they tried to have their clients plead to lessor counts. They are doing their job.

If no lawyer takes on these defendants as their clients, they would never go to trial. They have rights under the constitution.

As far as Nurmi goes, I wish he wasn't so slow when speaking. He puts me to sleep.
 
I don't hate the attorneys. The sixth amendment guarantees the defendant the right to effective counsel. I would rather the defendant receive a rigorous defense and be found guilty, then have ineffective counsel and be grounds for appeal. Remember, the lawyers are basing their defense on what they are being told by the defendant. We don't know what went on behind closed doors, or if they tried to have their clients plead to lessor counts. They are doing their job.

If no lawyer takes on these defendants as their clients, they would never go to trial. They have rights under the constitution.

As far as Nurmi goes, I wish he wasn't so slow when speaking. He puts me to sleep.

You are right, in a class in High School (Human Development) the teacher was talking about the harmful effects of pot one day and I told her that pot was no worse then alcohol. Which since I have never tried pot in my life and I have never been drunk to be honest either, (both by choice) might seem like an odd stance for me, but I had seen the harmful effects of Alcohol my whole life as my parents are both alcoholics.

She said if I could find a few people to join my side in the class we could have a debate and so I did convince a couple (which was tough cause I was not very popular).

Long story short the kids there were so brain washed into thinking pot was bad and Alcohol was ok (When IMO it is one of the biggest problems in America today, just look at that High School Football Rape case) that I lost in spectacular fashion (the fact that one of the most popular guys in class debated against me did not help either). However I made sure to let everybody in that class know that because of me taking the unpopular stand they got watch a debate instead of do bookwork that day, because without me there would of been no debate, to which the teacher (who did not even like me much) even agreed.

Point is somebody has to stand against popular opinion, because sometimes popular opinion is wrong and it is not until someone forces you to look at it for what it really is that people can see that sometimes.

That said I believe most of the time the police arrest the right people and the prosecution is right to try and get the best conviction they can, but even if that is true, there are times where it is not and the defense becomes the hero then because they save an innocent person.

In this case clearly Jodi is not only guilty, but guilty of murder 1 and premeditated murder (I think enough has been shown to prove that to me and most clearly), still it was right for her to be defended because everybody has the right to a fair trial and that is how it should be. Like you said I would rather a criminal's lies unravel so there is no doubt then have a person convicted on public opinion alone.
 
I don't hate the attorneys. The sixth amendment guarantees the defendant the right to effective counsel. I would rather the defendant receive a rigorous defense and be found guilty, then have ineffective counsel and be grounds for appeal. Remember, the lawyers are basing their defense on what they are being told by the defendant. We don't know what went on behind closed doors, or if they tried to have their clients plead to lessor counts. They are doing their job.

If no lawyer takes on these defendants as their clients, they would never go to trial. They have rights under the constitution.

As far as Nurmi goes, I wish he wasn't so slow when speaking. He puts me to sleep.

:worship:

By the way, yesterday was the 50th anniversary of Gideon v Wainwright.
 
I don't hate the attorneys. The sixth amendment guarantees the defendant the right to effective counsel. I would rather the defendant receive a rigorous defense and be found guilty, then have ineffective counsel and be grounds for appeal. Remember, the lawyers are basing their defense on what they are being told by the defendant. We don't know what went on behind closed doors, or if they tried to have their clients plead to lessor counts. They are doing their job.

If no lawyer takes on these defendants as their clients, they would never go to trial. They have rights under the constitution.

As far as Nurmi goes, I wish he wasn't so slow when speaking. He puts me to sleep.

I don't *hate* the attorneys either, and I do believe it's great that there are people out there who can defend those who are innocent and need to be proven so. What I dislike is how somebody like Jose Baez goes out and eats up his 15 minutes and acts like Casey Anthony is such an amazing person and did no wrong. Somebody like Nurmi seems to be doing his job but isn't all about the recognition, if anything it's going to mar his name a bit because Jodi is a terrible client, not because he didn't try.

Somebody posted something from Samuel's site how he'll get you off no matter what. Some people are just sleazy and will defend anybody with little regard for anything other than money. It's like dragging Travis' name through the mud with no concrete proof, it's a disgusting thing. Gah, I feel like I can't translate my thoughts into words. Basically it's all these commercials you see "Were you pulled over and arrested for DUI? Call our office and we'll fight your conviction and win you millions in pain and suffering", some of these attorneys are so unethical.
 
Good Morning all!

Since this seems to be dragging along, I was curious as to what was the longest trial in US history. It came up with the McMartin Preschool trial in Califorinia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

I truly hope we don't go that long!

Thanks for the good wishes on the surgery. The earliest I could get was April 18th and am counting the days. I hate taking pain meds both prescribed and OTC and can't wait to be fully pain free!

Have a good one!
 
Good morning, everyone! :wave:

I'm sitting here watching the recap from yesterday on InSession. I can't believe this doctor had the nerve to compare JA to a soldier. :mad: Disgusting.

How much time did JM get with this guy yesterday? Did I miss a bunch?
 
Good Morning all!

Since this seems to be dragging along, I was curious as to what was the longest trial in US history. It came up with the McMartin Preschool trial in Califorinia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

I truly hope we don't go that long!

Thanks for the good wishes on the surgery. The earliest I could get was April 18th and am counting the days. I hate taking pain meds both prescribed and OTC and can't wait to be fully pain free!

Have a good one!

Ooooh, a surgery almost on my birthday! I'll bring you cake to help you feel better!
 
I don't hate the attorneys. The sixth amendment guarantees the defendant the right to effective counsel. I would rather the defendant receive a rigorous defense and be found guilty, then have ineffective counsel and be grounds for appeal. Remember, the lawyers are basing their defense on what they are being told by the defendant. We don't know what went on behind closed doors, or if they tried to have their clients plead to lessor counts. They are doing their job.

If no lawyer takes on these defendants as their clients, they would never go to trial. They have rights under the constitution.

As far as Nurmi goes, I wish he wasn't so slow when speaking. He puts me to sleep.

The problem I have with these lawyers and Baez is the tactics they used to defend their clients. Both in this case and CA you have lawyers putting people on the stand to accuse others of being child molesters or having those thoughts. There's no proof that CA's father or brother molested her but it was thrown out there in open court for the world to hear. There's nothing to show Travis was into child pornography but again it was put out there for the world to hear. Yes, someone has to defend these people but there's just something totally disgusting about doing it like that.
 
The problem I have with these lawyers and Baez is the tactics they used to defend their clients. Both in this case and CA you have lawyers putting people on the stand to accuse others of being child molesters or having those thoughts. There's no proof that CA's father or brother molested her but it was thrown out there in open court for the world to hear. There's nothing to show Travis was into child pornography but again it was put out there for the world to hear. Yes, someone has to defend these people but there's just something totally disgusting about doing it like that.

:thumbsup2 This is pretty much what I wanted to state
 
Did anyone watch Jane Velez-Mitchell last night when they cut in with their legal analyst and the analyst said something along the lines of the defense expert is feeding the jury a load of bullsh!t.

I couldn't believe they said that on TV.

I would love to find that clip on youtube or somewhere. I work for an attorney and one day I was covering our front desk for lunch. There was a client in the lobby. My boss was in his office in a heated debate with another attorney. He yelled "that's bullsh!t and you know it!" The client looked at me and I said "that's a very technical, legal argument." So now that's a running joke in our office.
 
Good Morning all!

Since this seems to be dragging along, I was curious as to what was the longest trial in US history. It came up with the McMartin Preschool trial in Califorinia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

I truly hope we don't go that long!

Thanks for the good wishes on the surgery. The earliest I could get was April 18th and am counting the days. I hate taking pain meds both prescribed and OTC and can't wait to be fully pain free!

Have a good one!

That's a fascinating case, absolutely fascinating, studied that case for weeks in class, so many facets to it.

I'm hoping this case is at least to verdict by your surgery date and good luck, let us know how you're doing after the surgery.
 
Thanks for the good wishes on the surgery. The earliest I could get was April 18th and am counting the days. I hate taking pain meds both prescribed and OTC and can't wait to be fully pain free!

Have a good one!

Ooooh, a surgery almost on my birthday! I'll bring you cake to help you feel better!

When is your birthday? That's close to my birthday to.

Hope all goes well 2K. pixiedust:
 













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