Jodi Arias Trial Part 2, starting with JM cross of JA

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Hey everyone. :wave2: Just got back from the doctor and eating dinner. I've read everything so far - looks like I didn't miss the actual "day" testimony.

I can't believe how delusional JA is, thinking she'll get a manslaughter verdict or a hung jury. Keep dreaming, baby. :sad2:

Isn't it odd that the defense wants to show the jury how human Jodi is, get them to know her as a person (hence all the talk-talk-talking during the direct), and yet I've only heard Travis on the one tape recording and I feel like I know him better than I know her. I think the prosecution is doing a great job humanizing Travis, and I'll probably cry for him after tomorrow, never having met him, never having known him. :sad1: I mean if you remember Juan asking when she took a shower, then he mentions that she drug him into the shower, and she said yes, so she does remember.

Anyway, just wanted to get that in before I forgot - see you tomorrow.
If you really want to understand her, you need to sit back and watch her. Her actions speak louder than her words. I have seen so many sides to her. That is why I don't mind watching Juan grill her. That is where her many sides come out.
 
Okay, what did I miss? Where did we leave off? Have we got to anything good, are we to the murder? How about the gun in the closet?
 
This excerpt from The Jodi Arias Trial facebook page made me laugh (long but worth it):

A day in the life of Cross-Examining Jodi Arias

Prosecutor: So, you were lying down, that afternoon, sleeping on the sofa when he walked in and woke you saying "Good Morning" and then kissed you on the cheek.

Arias: Who walked in?

Prosecutor: Travis

Arias: Well, I thought it may have been Travis, I didn't know.

Prosecutor: You didn't know it was Travis that walked in?

Arias: Not at first, no.

Prosecutor: Who did you think it was?

Arias: I THOUGHT it was Travis.

Prosecutor: Well, if you say it was Travis why do you say you didn't know it was Travis?

Arias: I didn't "know" it was Travis. I only THOUGHT it was Travis.

Prosecutor: What made you doubt he might BE Travis.

Arias: My eyes were closed at the time. I only heard a voice.

Prosecutor: But you know the sound of Travis' voice don't you?

Arias: Somewhat.

Prosecutor: Well, you recognize his voice don't you?

Arias: Sometimes

Prosecutor: What do you mean sometimes?

Arias: Well, when he calls, he doesn't always sound like himself.

Prosecutor: But reguardless, when you opened your eyes you knew it to be Travis.

Arias: Yes, when I opened my eyes I knew it was Travis.

Prosecutor: When you opened your eyes in response to his voice...

Arias: I didn't open my eyes in response to his voice.

Prosecutor: He didn't wake you?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: If he didn't wake you, what DID wake you?

Arias: Sounds

Prosecutor: What sounds?

Arias: Sounds of something

Prosecutor: What kinds of sounds... what did it SOUND like?

Arias: Well, I couldn't be sure.

Prosecutor: Ma'am, your best guess, what did it sound like?

Arias: Someone walking in the room.

Prosecutor: So, when the sound of him walking in the room woke you, he then
said, 'Good Morning' and kissed you on the cheek.

Arias: He didn't wake me.

Prosecutor: No, HE didn't but the sound of him walking in the room woke you.

Arias: No, that didn't wake me.

Prosecutor: I thought you said the sound woke you.

Arias: No, YOU said it WOKE me. I wasn't asleep.

Prosecutor: You weren't asleep?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: You were napping, were you not?

Arias: No, I was not napping

Prosecutor: Well, what were you doing when he came in then?

Arias: I was more& well& like& resting& but not asleep or napping. I was very aware of my surroundings at the time.

Prosecutor: Okay& so you were resting that afternoon, on the sofa, when the sound of someone walking in, disturbed you from your rest.

Arias: I wouldnt say disturbed.

Prosecutor: rattled you?

Arias: I wouldnt say rattled

Prosecutor: Well, what word WOULD you use?

Arias: I dont know, it kind of hard to describe.

Prosecutor: Well, give us your best guess.

Arias: I would say startled.

Prosecutor: Okay, you were startled by Travis entering the room as you were resting on the sofa&

Arias: It wasnt a sofa.

Prosecutor: Well, where WERE you?

Arias: I believe I was resting on the LoveSac.

Prosecutor: Okay you were resting on the LoveSac that afternoon, when the sound of Travis entering the room startled you&

Arias: It wasnt in the afternoon.

Prosecutor: The morning then?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: What time would YOU say it was.

Arias: I didnt KNOW what time of the day it was.

Prosecutor: Maam, you just said you knew it wasnt in the afternoon, so you must
KNOW what time it was.

Arias: Well, I didnt know what time it was, I only knew it wasnt the afternoon.

Prosecutor: Well, what time WAS it then?

Arias: I dont KNOW the exact time.

Prosecutor: Was it the evening, then?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: Well, if it wasnt the morning, afternoon or the evening& when could it have
been?

Arias: I would define it as dusk& not quite afternoon and not quite evening& later in the day.

Prosecutor: Okay& dusk.

Arias: Later in the day.

Prosecutor: Later in the day.

Arias: Around sundown, but not quite.

Prosecutor: Lets just say that Travis came in while you were resting on the LoveSac and kissed you on the cheek and said Good Morning.

Arias: He didnt kiss me on the cheek, it was on the lips.

Prosecutor: So, he kissed you on the lips.

Arias: I wouldnt say kissed either& it was more of a peck.

Prosecutor: So, Travis came in while you were resting on the LoveSac and gave you a
peck on the cheek and said Good Morning.

Arias: I dont believe he said, Good Morning

Prosecutor: Hello?

Arias: Not, Hello& I believe it was Hi, Beautiful

Prosecutor: So, you when you sat up.

Arias: I was already up.

Prosecutor: You werent resting?

Arias: I was resting

Prosecutor: You were resting& so when you were no longer resting you had to sit up, right?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: Is your head on straight today?

Arias: Yes

Prosecutor: Are you having trouble understanding what I am asking?

Arias: Sometimes, yes& sometimes, no.

Prosecutor: So if you were resting you eventually had to sit up, right.

Arias: No, I was in the LoveSac& I wasnt lying down. I was sort of reclining, I was more like sitting while I was resting, but not lying down or reclining.

Prosecutor: (Sigh) Your Honor& I wish to state, for the record that, we would like to change our position and agree to stipulate Travis, regularly (and with great fervor) beat the livin' tar out of her.
 

Traits of a Sociopath

1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Sociopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A sociopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.

2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Sociopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Sociopaths often have low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.

4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.

6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and un empathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.

7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.

8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.

9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.

10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.

11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.

12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- a variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away from home.

13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.

14. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.

15. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.

16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.

17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.

18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.

19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- a revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.

20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- a diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes.
 
This excerpt from The Jodi Arias Trial facebook page made me laugh (long but worth it):

A day in the life of Cross-Examining Jodi Arias

Prosecutor: So, you were lying down, that afternoon, sleeping on the sofa when he walked in and woke you saying "Good Morning" and then kissed you on the cheek.

Arias: Who walked in?

Prosecutor: Travis

Arias: Well, I thought it may have been Travis, I didn't know.

Prosecutor: You didn't know it was Travis that walked in?

Arias: Not at first, no.

Prosecutor: Who did you think it was?

Arias: I THOUGHT it was Travis.

Prosecutor: Well, if you say it was Travis why do you say you didn't know it was Travis?

Arias: I didn't "know" it was Travis. I only THOUGHT it was Travis.

Prosecutor: What made you doubt he might BE Travis.

Arias: My eyes were closed at the time. I only heard a voice.

Prosecutor: But you know the sound of Travis' voice don't you?

Arias: Somewhat.

Prosecutor: Well, you recognize his voice don't you?

Arias: Sometimes

Prosecutor: What do you mean sometimes?

Arias: Well, when he calls, he doesn't always sound like himself.

Prosecutor: But reguardless, when you opened your eyes you knew it to be Travis.

Arias: Yes, when I opened my eyes I knew it was Travis.

Prosecutor: When you opened your eyes in response to his voice...

Arias: I didn't open my eyes in response to his voice.

Prosecutor: He didn't wake you?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: If he didn't wake you, what DID wake you?

Arias: Sounds

Prosecutor: What sounds?

Arias: Sounds of something

Prosecutor: What kinds of sounds... what did it SOUND like?

Arias: Well, I couldn't be sure.

Prosecutor: Ma'am, your best guess, what did it sound like?

Arias: Someone walking in the room.

Prosecutor: So, when the sound of him walking in the room woke you, he then
said, 'Good Morning' and kissed you on the cheek.

Arias: He didn't wake me.

Prosecutor: No, HE didn't but the sound of him walking in the room woke you.

Arias: No, that didn't wake me.

Prosecutor: I thought you said the sound woke you.

Arias: No, YOU said it WOKE me. I wasn't asleep.

Prosecutor: You weren't asleep?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: You were napping, were you not?

Arias: No, I was not napping

Prosecutor: Well, what were you doing when he came in then?

Arias: I was more& well& like& resting& but not asleep or napping. I was very aware of my surroundings at the time.

Prosecutor: Okay& so you were resting that afternoon, on the sofa, when the sound of someone walking in, disturbed you from your rest.

Arias: I wouldnt say disturbed.

Prosecutor: rattled you?

Arias: I wouldnt say rattled

Prosecutor: Well, what word WOULD you use?

Arias: I dont know, it kind of hard to describe.

Prosecutor: Well, give us your best guess.

Arias: I would say startled.

Prosecutor: Okay, you were startled by Travis entering the room as you were resting on the sofa&

Arias: It wasnt a sofa.

Prosecutor: Well, where WERE you?

Arias: I believe I was resting on the LoveSac.

Prosecutor: Okay you were resting on the LoveSac that afternoon, when the sound of Travis entering the room startled you&

Arias: It wasnt in the afternoon.

Prosecutor: The morning then?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: What time would YOU say it was.

Arias: I didnt KNOW what time of the day it was.

Prosecutor: Maam, you just said you knew it wasnt in the afternoon, so you must
KNOW what time it was.

Arias: Well, I didnt know what time it was, I only knew it wasnt the afternoon.

Prosecutor: Well, what time WAS it then?

Arias: I dont KNOW the exact time.

Prosecutor: Was it the evening, then?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: Well, if it wasnt the morning, afternoon or the evening& when could it have
been?

Arias: I would define it as dusk& not quite afternoon and not quite evening& later in the day.

Prosecutor: Okay& dusk.

Arias: Later in the day.

Prosecutor: Later in the day.

Arias: Around sundown, but not quite.

Prosecutor: Lets just say that Travis came in while you were resting on the LoveSac and kissed you on the cheek and said Good Morning.

Arias: He didnt kiss me on the cheek, it was on the lips.

Prosecutor: So, he kissed you on the lips.

Arias: I wouldnt say kissed either& it was more of a peck.

Prosecutor: So, Travis came in while you were resting on the LoveSac and gave you a
peck on the cheek and said Good Morning.

Arias: I dont believe he said, Good Morning

Prosecutor: Hello?

Arias: Not, Hello& I believe it was Hi, Beautiful

Prosecutor: So, you when you sat up.

Arias: I was already up.

Prosecutor: You werent resting?

Arias: I was resting

Prosecutor: You were resting& so when you were no longer resting you had to sit up, right?

Arias: No

Prosecutor: Is your head on straight today?

Arias: Yes

Prosecutor: Are you having trouble understanding what I am asking?

Arias: Sometimes, yes& sometimes, no.

Prosecutor: So if you were resting you eventually had to sit up, right.

Arias: No, I was in the LoveSac& I wasnt lying down. I was sort of reclining, I was more like sitting while I was resting, but not lying down or reclining.

Prosecutor: (Sigh) Your Honor& I wish to state, for the record that, we would like to change our position and agree to stipulate Travis, regularly (and with great fervor) beat the livin' tar out of her.

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This woman makes me want to vomit! She think she's slick but she really isn't. She thinks she's superior and she really isn't. I hope she gets the electric chair! The brutality of that crime is disgusting to say the least!
 
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I've been following this story for a while but never saw any of the pictures or read the docs until now. She is a sick sick person.

I sat here and listened today and kept saying..LIE...LIE...LIE...

Has the jury seen the pics or will they?
 
I've been following this story for a while but never saw any of the pictures or read the docs until now. She is a sick sick person.

I sat here and listened today and kept saying..LIE...LIE...LIE...

Has the jury seen the pics or will they?

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Hi! My understanding is that the jury did see the graphic, brutal pictures. She a psychopath.
 
Pebbles, thanks for your posts! :thumbsup2

I have to go check out that JA trial FB page!!!!

I can laugh at it tonight (:rotfl:) BUT today I had a headache listening to her with her games of semantics with JM. :headache:


'Traits of a Sociopath' ..... OR ...... '20 Definitions of JODI' !!!!!! :thumbsup2
 
Pebbles, thanks for your posts! :thumbsup2

I have to go check out that JA trial FB page!!!!

I can laugh at it tonight (:rotfl:) BUT today I had a headache listening to her with her games of semantics with JM. :headache:


'Traits of a Sociopath' ..... OR ...... '20 Definitions of JODI' !!!!!! :thumbsup2

I'm with you. Jodi is insufferable. What makes me the most irritated is that the judge doesn't stop her. Jodi is catered to on so many levels. Quite frankly, with the time it takes the judge to make a decision on the "objections" of Nurmi, I'm partially inclined to think she's zoning out from time to time. Jodi better get a hefty sentence, if for no other reason than her snarky demeanor!
 
I'm with you. Jodi is insufferable. What makes me the most irritated is that the judge doesn't stop her. Jodi is catered to on so many levels. Quite frankly, with the time it takes the judge to make a decision on the "objections" of Nurmi, I'm partially inclined to think she's zoning out from time to time. Jodi better get a hefty sentence, if for no other reason than her snarky demeanor!

ITA w/you about the Judge! There must be a good reason the Judge is not more aggressive with JA! :scratchin
 
ITA w/you about the Judge! There must be a good reason the Judge is not more aggressive with JA! :scratchin

She did give Jodi a smack today. I thought it was about time. I do notice the judge getting quite upset with Nurmi over so many objections.
 
ITA w/you about the Judge! There must be a good reason the Judge is not more aggressive with JA! :scratchin

Judges will generally give a tremendous amount of latitude to a defendant. They don't want to be overturned on appeal saying that they didn't allow the defendant a 'fair' trial. Or that they cut the defendant off and didn't allow them to tell their side of the story. The judge may also be hoping Jodi talks herself into a noose.
 
She did give Jodi a smack today. I thought it was about time. I do notice the judge getting quite upset with Nurmi over so many objections.

Yes, I did see that exchange the Judge had with JA.

But some of the annoying way JA banters back and forth with JM ... :headache:
 
Yes, I did see that exchange the Judge had with JA.

But some of the annoying way JA banters back and forth with JM ... :headache:

That is Jodi's character. The jury gets to see the other side, trying to control JM. She is showing them smug, arrogance, controlling, lying. This is exactly what they need to see. She has had control of Travis, not the other way around. She has admitted it. That is what I find fascinating. I bet Jodi would love to get out of that chair and smack him one.
 
Judges will generally give a tremendous amount of latitude to a defendant. They don't want to be overturned on appeal saying that they didn't allow the defendant a 'fair' trial. Or that they cut the defendant off and didn't allow them to tell their side of the story. The judge may also be hoping Jodi talks herself into a noose.

Exactly, that is what I have thought and read and figured that JA is so beyond guilty; that the Judge is allowing JA's idiotic 'umm's' over and over and her idiotic 'answers with questions' when she attempts to respond to JM. Gawd. :rolleyes:
 
I missed the last of testimony (dang family LOL).
I am going to try and catch up today while working ;)
If anything important happens can you let me know :rotfl:
 
She did give Jodi a smack today. I thought it was about time. I do notice the judge getting quite upset with Nurmi over so many objections.

What was the smack? I must have missed that :(
 
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