J&J approved in Canada

[newdeal]

Actually a lot of younge people get the flu shot every year. I know my kids usually do. A lot of people under 50 do as well.

In addition if you look at the data, a lot of the spread in Covid is in people under 50. Vaccinating younger people is what is needed to stop the spread. Older people may have more serious outcomes, but they aren’t the ones spreading it.

we will never stop the spread, scientists are now speculating that this will be endemic, what we need to do is focus on the number of deaths and hospitalizations at this point, not the number of cases. We also need to transfer our system from being people who died and had covid in the last two weeks, to people who died from covid for the sake of accuracy. Cases would mean nothing if people weren't dying or being hospitalized. As for kids who get vaccinated for the flu, the number is about 20% for all age groups 12 to 45, for 45 to 65 its about 35% and for over 65 its 65%. So no I wouldn't say that a lot of kids get it. To me 1 in 5 isn't a lot, its an extreme minority. 80% would be a lot, not even the 65+ crowd is at that level. Eventually it gets to the point where as vaccines are more available to folks over 65 we need to transition back to the individual being responsible for their own health, not the group or the government.

 

[newdeal]

Injection is not hard to learn. You can train anyone to do it within 10 minutes (eg, how to properly sanitize skin, open syringe caps, stab muscles, and dispose used sharps, etc).

It's about the liability. Only regulated / licensed health professionals are eligible for malpractice liability insurance. Can you imagine a health malpractice lawyer trying to go after a supermarket cashier for giving his client a vaccine with side effects? So even if Loblaws one day gets to offer them without appointment, along with their Shoppers locations, they still need to use regulated health professionals. They cannot just put them at the checkout lines like lottery tickets where it can be given by the cashiers.

It's like real estate deals... do we really need a lawyer to rubber stamp a templated offer? It's not about how simple the job is... it's about if something goes wrong, the lawyer's liability or title insurance would cover it.

The availability of regulated health professionals will be a limiting factor on how fast these vaccines can be given.

There is no limiting factor on professionals who can give injections, there is a limit to who the government is willing to pay enough to make it worthwhile. You could give this to dentists, who on average would be about a 2000:1 ratio with the population, and a single office could easily do 50 people a day if they were paid well enough to do it. The entire province would be done in 40 days without a single other health provider being involved. Even if not paid that well a normal office could do at least 25 a day with zero interruption to flow of regular patients. 80 days to complete not taking into account all of the other health providers who can also do it.

 

[wdwmom3]

we will never stop the spread, scientists are now speculating that this will be endemic, what we need to do is focus on the number of deaths and hospitalizations at this point, not the number of cases. We also need to transfer our system from being people who died and had covid in the last two weeks, to people who died from covid for the sake of accuracy. Cases would mean nothing if people weren't dying or being hospitalized. As for kids who get vaccinated for the flu, the number is about 20% for all age groups 12 to 45, for 45 to 65 its about 35% and for over 65 its 65%. So no I wouldn't say that a lot of kids get it. To me 1 in 5 isn't a lot, its an extreme minority. 80% would be a lot, not even the 65+ crowd is at that level. Eventually it gets to the point where as vaccines are more available to folks over 65 we need to transition back to the individual being responsible for their own health, not the group or the government.

So I guess the younger people who were very sick for weeks, some with long term effects don’t matter? Just because they were never sick enough to go into the hospital? I personally know someone in their 40s who was very sick for 6 weeks. They still don’t have their full strength back. The amount of long haulers are probably a lot higher then we realize.

I think we need to agree to disagree. But to everyone else lets all remember why it’s important for us to get out shots. To help offset those who don’t think it’s important, and to help protect those who can’t get vaccinated.

 

[newdeal]

So I guess the younger people who were very sick for weeks, some with long term effects don’t matter? Just because they were never sick enough to go into the hospital? I personally know someone in their 40s who was very sick for 6 weeks. They still don’t have their full strength back. The amount of long haulers are probably a lot higher then we realize.

I think we need to agree to disagree. But to everyone else lets all remember why it’s important for us to get out shots. To help offset those who don’t think it’s important, and to help protect those who can’t get vaccinated.

no I think actually the number of long haulers is very very small. Regardless of that, I am not debating the value of vaccines, I already have my first dose and I am under 40 with zero pre-existing conditions. However would I hesitate to go on a trip if I were not vaccinated or if my kids aren't. No I wouldn't as we are not in high risk groups. Similarly do I think we need to lock down until no one ever gets sick again, no I do not because that will be an impossible goal.

 

[Sue M]

Injection is not hard to learn. You can train anyone to do it within 10 minutes (eg, how to properly sanitize skin, open syringe caps, stab muscles, and dispose used sharps, etc).

It's about the liability. Only regulated / licensed health professionals are eligible for malpractice liability insurance. Can you imagine a health malpractice lawyer trying to go after a supermarket cashier for giving his client a vaccine with side effects? So even if Loblaws one day gets to offer them without appointment, along with their Shoppers locations, they still need to use regulated health professionals. They cannot just put them at the checkout lines like lottery tickets where it can be given by the cashiers.

It's like real estate deals... do we really need a lawyer to rubber stamp a templated offer? It's not about how simple the job is... it's about if something goes wrong, the lawyer's liability or title insurance would cover it.

The availability of regulated health professionals will be a limiting factor on how fast these vaccines can be given.

I meant the pharmacist giving the injection, not cashiers