Is WWoHP "all that" for the "Disney is better than Universal" crowd?

I have spent some time trying to figure out the best way to word my observations of a few weekends ago. I don’t want to sound like a Disney basher because I still feel that the company that I have been following since I was laying on the floor on my belly watching the “original” Mickey Mouse Club and eating a Fluffernutter sandwich has more potential then any others, if they try.

Nothing in my long lifetime has ever affected me like Disney. I’m talking emotionally here and I’m talking Theme Parks here. For the most part I couldn’t tell you what movies were made by Disney other than Mary Poppins, Herbie the Love Bug, Flubber and a few others. I was a fan of Mickey Mouse cartoons but liked Warner Bros. more. My emotional experience didn’t happen until I was 35 years old and took my wife and two girls to WDW for the first time.

I am not going to get into an argument about maintenance and “upkeep” because I think, from my observations, that they still do that well. I think that the age of the parks coupled with the vastness of the WDW property, is a hindrance in accomplishing what they used to when it was a smaller entity. I took a sharp look around while I was there and found nothing wrong. Granted I didn’t spend a lot of time there, just a total of about 8 hours, but I was looking for lights out (found none), paint chipped (found nothing), dirty bathrooms (found none), unscheduled “down” attractions (found none). I was there during a light week (they did have the marathon happening) so I didn’t need any Fastpasses, so I cannot comment on anything about that.

This is what I saw when I went to Universal…all of the above plus so much more. They have spent money to entertain you, they have trained employees to be proactive in dealing with their guests, they have spared no expense to theme, staff and organize all of their attractions. Never have I had a Disney Cast Member approach me in all the years I have been going there when they even slightly suspected that I might be a little confused about the direction I should head or where something was located. At Universal/IOA (assume that is what I mean when I say Uni) they were everywhere. Even a custodial person, saw me looking at the park map and asked if he could help. He did and also spent a very pleasant 10 minutes or so chatting with me about general life stuff. Wonderful! Every square inch has something in it and it is themed to the hilt. Nothing like trash cans with a Tree of Life decaled on it, but things that fit the lands. Seuss Landing had trash cans that had the same distorted, no straight line, design that we so quickly associate with Dr. Seuss. I even noticed a smoking area in WWOHP that had ashtrays designed to fit the theme.

Yes, my friends, Universal doesn’t have to keep up anymore, it is miles ahead and will eventually take over as the most popular unless Disney wakes up and understands that if you can take over a loyal to Disney for 50+ years person, and convince him that maybe Uni will be my main park and visit Disney on off days, then I don’t see why they can’t do that with anyone.

Disney, once the leader in creativity and entertainment has fallen way behind. Why? I’m not sure, but I suspect that they have given all control to accounting and legal associates. Disney, to me, has the feel of a store that is in the process of going out of business. Attraction buildings left empty or partially closed, restaurants closed, etc. give it that bankruptcy feel. Where once there were shows and attractions manned by many CM’s there are now a bunch of hardworking, but mainly lethargic people that just stand there, frowning and asking people how many there are in your party. That’s it. By comparison, in Uni almost all their attractions require trained Casts that are heavy with the presence of actors playing a role and a huge part of the entertainment venue. In Uni, shows like Disaster is almost jaw dropping. It is primarily the same show that has been there forever, once titled Earthquake, it is now a very entertaining show starring Christopher Walken, portrayed by himself via hologram. A very impressive hologram that works with a live, on stage actor, and is choreographed to an inch of death to make it one of the most believable technological/human interaction I have ever seen. Poseidon’s Fury is a very well done display of special effects that is driven by a human actor that made the show. These are just a few small examples of what I saw there, the detail the Disney used to have, is now in Universal. The creativity that Disney once had, is now in Universal. The constant and amazing entertainment shows that Disney once had is now in Universal. The ability to expand and add to, seemingly unencumbered by some CPA saying we can’t spend that much money, we won’t have anything left for executive bonuses if we do that, because that is now Disney and it is falling fast.

You will notice that I haven’t mentioned coasters and thrill rides. Universal has the luck to be able to put them in without disturbing expectations, but I felt this way about Uni in spite of the presence of heart stopping coasters.

On the down side, Universal charges $15.00 for parking whereas Disney is $14.00. Of course, their parking is on multi-level parking garages and for $5.00 more you can get “Preferred Parking” which will be in a part of the parking structure that is closer to the entry to the parks. You don’t get free Express Passes…One day is $55.00 for one time ride on qualifying attractions, but admission is cheaper and if it is during a really busy time, I can see where it would be a real time saver and worth the money.

You have no idea how much it hurts me to make this observation which is not very attractive towards what was once my favorite place on earth, but I saw it, I am saddened as well as alarmed that so many high paid flunkies have allowed such a wonderful place as Disney to become second best.
 
WOW!- Goofyernmost- WOW!

We will be experiencing UO/IOA for the 1st time in April. I am looking forward to it and hope I can enjoy it for what it is rather than in comparison.
 
goofyernmost said:
I have spent some time trying to figure out the best way to word my observations of a few weekends ago. I don’t want to sound like a Disney basher because I still feel that the company that I have been following since I was laying on the floor on my belly watching the “original” Mickey Mouse Club and eating a Fluffernutter sandwich has more potential then any others, if they try.

Nothing in my long lifetime has ever affected me like Disney. I’m talking emotionally here and I’m talking Theme Parks here. For the most part I couldn’t tell you what movies were made by Disney other than Mary Poppins, Herbie the Love Bug, Flubber and a few others. I was a fan of Mickey Mouse cartoons but liked Warner Bros. more. My emotional experience didn’t happen until I was 35 years old and took my wife and two girls to WDW for the first time.

I am not going to get into an argument about maintenance and “upkeep” because I think, from my observations, that they still do that well. I think that the age of the parks coupled with the vastness of the WDW property, is a hindrance in accomplishing what they used to when it was a smaller entity. I took a sharp look around while I was there and found nothing wrong. Granted I didn’t spend a lot of time there, just a total of about 8 hours, but I was looking for lights out (found none), paint chipped (found nothing), dirty bathrooms (found none), unscheduled “down” attractions (found none). I was there during a light week (they did have the marathon happening) so I didn’t need any Fastpasses, so I cannot comment on anything about that.

This is what I saw when I went to Universal…all of the above plus so much more. They have spent money to entertain you, they have trained employees to be proactive in dealing with their guests, they have spared no expense to theme, staff and organize all of their attractions. Never have I had a Disney Cast Member approach me in all the years I have been going there when they even slightly suspected that I might be a little confused about the direction I should head or where something was located. At Universal/IOA (assume that is what I mean when I say Uni) they were everywhere. Even a custodial person, saw me looking at the park map and asked if he could help. He did and also spent a very pleasant 10 minutes or so chatting with me about general life stuff. Wonderful! Every square inch has something in it and it is themed to the hilt. Nothing like trash cans with a Tree of Life decaled on it, but things that fit the lands. Seuss Landing had trash cans that had the same distorted, no straight line, design that we so quickly associate with Dr. Seuss. I even noticed a smoking area in WWOHP that had ashtrays designed to fit the theme.

Yes, my friends, Universal doesn’t have to keep up anymore, it is miles ahead and will eventually take over as the most popular unless Disney wakes up and understands that if you can take over a loyal to Disney for 50+ years person, and convince him that maybe Uni will be my main park and visit Disney on off days, then I don’t see why they can’t do that with anyone.

Disney, once the leader in creativity and entertainment has fallen way behind. Why? I’m not sure, but I suspect that they have given all control to accounting and legal associates. Disney, to me, has the feel of a store that is in the process of going out of business. Attraction buildings left empty or partially closed, restaurants closed, etc. give it that bankruptcy feel. Where once there were shows and attractions manned by many CM’s there are now a bunch of hardworking, but mainly lethargic people that just stand there, frowning and asking people how many there are in your party. That’s it. By comparison, in Uni almost all their attractions require trained Casts that are heavy with the presence of actors playing a role and a huge part of the entertainment venue. In Uni, shows like Disaster is almost jaw dropping. It is primarily the same show that has been there forever, once titled Earthquake, it is now a very entertaining show starring Christopher Walken, portrayed by himself via hologram. A very impressive hologram that works with a live, on stage actor, and is choreographed to an inch of death to make it one of the most believable technological/human interaction I have ever seen. Poseidon’s Fury is a very well done display of special effects that is driven by a human actor that made the show. These are just a few small examples of what I saw there, the detail the Disney used to have, is now in Universal. The creativity that Disney once had, is now in Universal. The constant and amazing entertainment shows that Disney once had is now in Universal. The ability to expand and add to, seemingly unencumbered by some CPA saying we can’t spend that much money, we won’t have anything left for executive bonuses if we do that, because that is now Disney and it is falling fast.

You will notice that I haven’t mentioned coasters and thrill rides. Universal has the luck to be able to put them in without disturbing expectations, but I felt this way about Uni in spite of the presence of heart stopping coasters.

On the down side, Universal charges $15.00 for parking whereas Disney is $14.00. Of course, their parking is on multi-level parking garages and for $5.00 more you can get “Preferred Parking” which will be in a part of the parking structure that is closer to the entry to the parks. You don’t get free Express Passes…One day is $55.00 for one time ride on qualifying attractions, but admission is cheaper and if it is during a really busy time, I can see where it would be a real time saver and worth the money.

You have no idea how much it hurts me to make this observation which is not very attractive towards what was once my favorite place on earth, but I saw it, I am saddened as well as alarmed that so many high paid flunkies have allowed such a wonderful place as Disney to become second best.

Beautifully written
 
Goofyernmost, try staying onsite at Universal next time and you will be even more impressed!!!
 

I am a huge Disney fan and have gone at least once a year for most of my adult life. However that changed once the WWoHP was built. I am a huge Potter nerd and that of course got me over to Universal. I have since been back 6 times since they built the WWoHP and have not once stepped back on Disney property. Now, that's not to say I still don't love Disney and I am looking forward to a trip to Orlando in the spring to see the new Fantasyland but I won't be staying on Disney property as I've done in the past.

Honestly, I much rather stay at Universal and get the perks there which far surpass anything Disney offers for staying onsite. Not only are their hotels truly deluxe for the money but no buses to deal with and express pass can't be beat. It's also less stressful at Universal and you get an amazing park experience without having to plan so much. Plus, in my opinion (and yes as with any opinion it is just my personal thought) the rides at Universal are more advanced and thrilling in comparison to Disney. While I do love the magical feel of Disney, when it comes to rides, Universal is ahead in the game.

For me, it took Potter for me to give Universal a chance and yes the WWoHP far surpassed any of my expectations and I love it more than words can say. However, it was the entirety of Universal Orlando that won me over. From the hotels, to the staff, to the rides, to the shows to everything.
 
WWoHP is incredible and I think it's the best example of theming anywhere.

I had the opportunity to go to universal in 2011 and had a package that allowed for early admission. I was very impressed with the theming at both parks, and felt that US did a better job of capturing the Hollywood vibe than HS. If you're a fan of movies, they're is no way you can miss out on these parks.

It's difficult for me to pick a favorite, and I'm happily sitting on the fence in that regard. There's something inherent about Disney that just speaks to me, and I'm currently planning a trip for this spring. However, it's very clear that universal is driven to massively expand their services in the next few years. From new rides, hotels, and features, they are blazing forward with a momentum that no one else has.

Disney on the other hand, seems content to stay retro, because they deal in nostalgia. One of their last big refurbs was to make the tiki room more like the original show and every addition to new fantasyland involves a movie that is at least 20 years old. Whereas universal just demolished one of their original rides to make room for more modern attractions, based on very recent blockbuster movies.

I feel that technology wise, Universal is way ahead of the game when it comes to their rides. I can't figure out why Disney isn't trying to close this gap.

I do wish that universal had hotels that were more in the "value range". Airport transportation would be great as well.
 
Goofeyernmost - thanks for taking the time to write that heartfelt post.
 
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I am a HUGE HP fan. I have been to IOA twice now for HP. The first time, I was in tears because it was just wonderful. The second time, it was just kind of meh for me. The attractiveness had just worn off. Now the theme is fantastic. However, I think it has its shortcomings too. The second time I really noticed it was small and cramped. The Forbidden Journey Ride was fantastic the first time but made me ill the second time. Both trips we left early (by 5PM). The crowds were similar at Disney and IOA but we go a lot more done at Disney daily.

Now when I go to Disney, I'm there open to close. I have to be made to leave lol. The newness has yet to wear off in three trips in three years. I'm going again this year but IOA is not on my itinerary. I think once is enough.
 
Disney could sustain its parks without universal being in Orlando.

Can universal say the same?

While I think Universal is great-No. WDW brings people to Orlando they other parks (Seaworld, Uni etc) may get them to stay longer.
 
HP is lost on me as I havent read or seen any of it so some of the details in WoHP would have passed me by, however IOA has the best rides around, I would not go to Orlando without going but it is Disney that gets us going in the first place, Disney is more than the rides, we do 10 days at WDW vs 2 at US/IOA. I do wish WDW would add some more real thrill rides though.
 
WWoHP is incredible and I think it's the best example of theming anywhere.

I had the opportunity to go to universal in 2011 and had a package that allowed for early admission. I was very impressed with the theming at both parks, and felt that US did a better job of capturing the Hollywood vibe than HS. If you're a fan of movies, they're is no way you can miss out on these parks.

It's difficult for me to pick a favorite, and I'm happily sitting on the fence in that regard. There's something inherent about Disney that just speaks to me, and I'm currently planning a trip for this spring. However, it's very clear that universal is driven to massively expand their services in the next few years. From new rides, hotels, and features, they are blazing forward with a momentum that no one else has.

Disney on the other hand, seems content to stay retro, because they deal in nostalgia. One of their last big refurbs was to make the tiki room more like the original show and every addition to new fantasyland involves a movie that is at least 20 years old. Whereas universal just demolished one of their original rides to make room for more modern attractions, based on very recent blockbuster movies.

I feel that technology wise, Universal is way ahead of the game when it comes to their rides. I can't figure out why Disney isn't trying to close this gap.

I do wish that universal had hotels that were more in the "value range". Airport transportation would be great as well.

Universal is currently building a value hotel though it won't come with Express passes.
 
Thanks for the great post goofyernmost.

Universal also ripped the blinders off of my face a few years back which came as a shock at the time. I was a bit confused and stunned because I had spent years being all Disney all the time.

Once I got used to the idea, I found that I could love two resorts and I've never been more excited about trips. There is so much to see and do now and I go for both and usually spend equal time at both. There is no need for me to compare because they are different and both very good IMO.
 
In it's entirety I like Disney the best but hp world is better than anything at Disney. The theming is incredible.

Exactly. I love Disney World, I grew up going to Disneyland as a kid, but nothing I have ever seen at any Disney park compares to WWoHP.
 
My perspective seems to be pretty different than most of the posters on this thread. I lean towards group 2, though I've only ever been to IOA once and did nothing outside WWHoP and Seuss Landing, so I don't have much to back up my opinion. A little background: my Dad and I visited on Christmas Eve 2011. We are both big HP fans, though I'm more into the books than the movies and he is the opposite. We went solely for WWHoP and only spent the one day in Orlando. Neither of us had ever been to UO before.

While I will agree that they do a great job with the theming, my opinion is that it is only on par with Disney in that regard. I was not so "wowed" by it as to think it's outdone Disney, by any means. And while we had a great time there, the whole way home we kept discussing how much bigger/better it would have been if Disney had done it. We came up with a long list of what we felt like were missed opportunities for Universal in terms of attractions. I agree with PP who mentioned it feeling small...I totally understand where JK was coming from with her creative direction, and I respect that. But the only reason it took us more than 1/2 a day to see and experience the whole thing was long lines. (This was in my pre-WDW passholder days, so I wasn't savvy about making rope drop/researching touring plans or anything like that. Plus, it was Christmas Eve.)

Am I glad we went? Absolutely! I got chosen at Ollivander's and am looking at my wand displayed on top of a bookcase as I type. I LOVED Forbidden Journey so much that I stood in the line for a total of 2-1/2 hours for two rides on it.

Would I go again? Not unless I win free tickets or something - or until the expansion is completed (really looking forward to that!). Unlike WDW, I did not feel compelled to return. It just doesn't have much to grab me and make me want to keep coming back. As it stands now, if I were to go back, I would ride the Dragon Challenge, FJ, and be done. No way am I standing in the line for Ollivander's again...I wasn't impressed with the food at the Three Broomsticks...and I've seen all the merch already.

Should you go? If you're an HP fan, it's a must-do. If you're not, but have nothing compelling you to spend a day at Sea World/Disney/elsewhere instead, I see no reason to skip it. As mentioned, the theming is excellent. if you're a coaster junkie, DC was very good. And FJ is a very innovative, very FUN ride. You may not spend all day in this section of the park if you're not into HP, but it's only one small part of IOA.
 
Beautiful post, Goofy!! Sometimes the truth hurts. But I hear that soon you will be able to FP+ your fears and concerns.
 
Goofyernmost, try staying onsite at Universal next time and you will be even more impressed!!!

This. :thumbsup2 It's sooooooo relaxing to be able to exit the parks, enjoy Citywalk (not to mention...let loose if one so chooses ;)) and stroll or boat back to your NICE room is great! The Express Pass perk is the icing on the cake. Say for example you were a family of 4 and "were planning" on buying the EP during your visit to UO....staying onsite gives you unlimited EP on almost all rides (not on FJ but you get early access) and by the time you've done the math you just got a room for about half of what you would have for an All Star-Something-or-Nothing.
 
Mad Hattered said:
This. :thumbsup2 It's sooooooo relaxing to be able to exit the parks, enjoy Citywalk (not to mention...let loose if one so chooses ;)) and being able to stroll or boat back to your NICE room is great! The Express Pass perk is the icing on the cake. Say for example you were a family of 4 and "were planning" on buying the EP during your visit to UO....staying onsite gives you unlimited EP on almost all rides (not on FJ but you get early access) and by the time you've done the math you just got a room for about half of what you would have for an All Star-Something-or-Nothing.
Is that correct though? When I priced out universal hotels I thought they were ridiculously expensive... definitely more than the value resorts.

But then again I stayed at the econolodge :)
 
Is that correct though? When I priced out universal hotels I thought they were ridiculously expensive... definitely more than the value resorts.

But then again I stayed at the econolodge :)

It depends on when you go, just like Disney. If you are "planning" on purchasing 4 EPs @ $55/pp then that runs you $220. Do the math like that and see where you come out. And the beauty of it all is that if you just stay one night on property then you get TWO days of the EP perk (the day you check in AND out).
 
I thoroughly enjoy BOTH Disney and Universal. They both are doing things right, in my opinion.

I think Disney wins hands down for their night time shows (Illuminations, Fantasmic, Wishes) and Universal scores for thrill rides.
Disney also wins in the quantity department (clearly they have more parks, more attractions, more restaurants, more hotel options, etc.)
But, staying at the Universal hotels makes for the most RELAXING theme park vacation ever.
Gorgeous Hotel + Proximity + Express Pass ROCKS! :banana:

We're taking a split trip this summer and I'm looking forward to it. Five days at Disney, followed by three days at Universal. I would happily do more days at both!
 
Is that correct though? When I priced out universal hotels I thought they were ridiculously expensive... definitely more than the value resorts.

But then again I stayed at the econolodge :)

Depends on the time of year, and how long your trip is.The longer you stay the cheaper it becomes..They aren't cheap, but they can be had for the cost of a Disney Moderate at some times of the year, and you get the resort guest express pass..I think what the PP meant was that very often for a family of 4 or larger that wants to purchase the express pass ( there is no free version of it other than resort guests), it becomes cheaper to stay onsite for a night.One nights stay gets you 2 days of express pass privelages..If you purchase express pass, the price goes up with the projected crowd levels..It is not unusual in busy times to see the express pass cost $69.That is just the pass( and the purchase version is only good for ONE RIDE per attraction.resort guests get umlimited), for ONE park..Not including park admission..Add that all up and it was likely cheaper to get a room for one night.We found the resorts wonderful and worth the cost.I love Disney deluxes, but found Universals resorts to be a notch above and cheaper than what I pay at Disney.There aren't value accomodations..They are building one, but it will not come with the coveted express pass access.
 













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