Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

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New polls out showing H&M's popularity at their lowest point EVER with the Queen's support unwavering.. *ho hum*
H&M are unworthy of the Queen's continuing graciousness. And she certainly has done nothing to deserve their scorched earth treatment.

I'm no huge fan of Charles, but by all accounts, he and Diana got on well enough after their divorce and he has been credited with being a good and supportive father to both sons. William has been a loving brother and Kate seemed to treat Harry as a beloved brother as well.

All of them have been thrown under the bus, with no practical way to defend themselves against charges of racism and abandoning a suicidal pregnant MM. They simply cannot and should not go tit for tat with her, as it will never end. You can't shut up MM as it is.

I've always know Harry was not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and it appears he in easily manipulated, but at some point, the mudslinging is HIS responsibility, as it is HIS family who is being targeted. Goodness knows I think he is too dim and needy to fully grasp the damage he is doing, but now he's a whiny "victim" too. MM never felt any loyalty is her own family, so she cannot be expected to have loyalty to his. But he should be man enough to think before he blathers on and realize how cruel and damaging their accusations are to his entire family.

In the RF's shoes, I would record every (brief) conversation and send only the most generic of emails from now until the 12th of Never. "It was good to hear from you. Loved the pics you sent. We are fine here. Hope all is well with you." For the next 50 years.
 

Waiting on reports from the body language and voice experts. Were H & M truthful about anything?
 
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Prince Harry has a duty to the Queen and this country. He has failed in that duty.
Harry’s job was to be the “spare”. Now that William has children he isn’t needed. I think how Diana was treated and her death really affected him. I’m glad he has his freedom and hope he and his family will be happy. As the saying goes .....time heals all wounds.
 
When you have been proven to lie about the minor accusations it is right to question the big revelations. Didn’t see my sister for 20 photos prove that a lie
My sister changed her name to Markle when I started dating Harry seen court document showing name change dated 1997 and she graduated as Markle in 2008
Archie denied his title of prince nor eligible under law set in 1917 so it could not be because of her and they deny him the title Earl not the palace
They made me take my name of his birth certificate. The birth certificates of George, Charlotte and Louis birth certificates all have their mothers full name on them do saying they palace made her do it is implausible
I got no help apart from her six month training

I didn’t know anything about the royal family nor did I google Harry picture of outside Buckingham palace friends saying she had lady Diana book and finding Freedom saying they both googled each other.

when do many petty lies have been shown how can she be reliable on anything she said. Also if they take the duke title from them she will still have a title but not one she will like she would be

PRINCESS HENRY OF WALES!

All of this plus...
They managed to fit in all the trending topics like mental health and racism with little to no evidence that the entire RF really was in the wrong on those issues.
They filmed the interview the day Philip went into the hospital. Of course, now Meghan says she phoned the Queen that day to check in. But wth was Harry doing that interview for on that very day and why did he not call his family -- surely there must be someone who is still talking to him, at least under those circumstances? The family that he has effectively cut his child off from.

And then all this week there was Meghan's team out there trying to keep it in the news. It's just a bit much.

People are dying and struggling financially, Philip may be dying. There really are more important things in the world rn than whether Meghan wanted to wear nylons. This has caused a lot of turmoil in Commonwealth organizations, several of which are trying to get health care supplies and vaccines to the less well off countries. These two are making themselves look like a couple who only cares about themselves and how much money they can get.
 
In this case we could add to the list that if William can be damaged enough, Meghan could be Queen someday! 😲

Now THAT would get back at Kate about the tights! 🤪

If she can make it look like William is racist, then he will never become king.

But she may get the opposite. Currently if George was to become king before turning 18 ie. both Charles and William, Prince Harry would become regent, effectively making him a temporary king. But already there is talk of getting an act of parliament to skip over him (and Andrew), possibly making Anne the potential regent and changing the line of succession. That would mean a drop in income for Harry.

I really like the idea that only working royals can get an income and expenses paid from the taxpayers. It shouldn't be used for partying
 
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Harry’s job was to be the “spare”. Now that William has children he isn’t needed. I think how Diana was treated and her death really affected him. I’m glad he has his freedom and hope he and his family will be happy. As the saying goes .....time heals all wounds.
Harry is still excepted to be loyal to his family regardless...he has failed miserably. Diana had much sympathy but also responsibility in her circumstances in later years. The Palace also learned from those mistakes. Meghan came in trying to change and/or dishonor many traditions from the get go. It didn't earn her much goodwill. Harry and his bride are trying to bring down the family who overindulged him most all of his life and turn a blind eye to his missteps. I seriously doubt there is a path to return in substantive role of at all. They will NEVER be trusted.
 
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Waiting on reports from the body language and voice experts. Were H & M truthful about anything?
Googled it for you. There was complete consensus among the first five results I got. I don’t know that body language is an exact science, but the experts all agreed that H&M were being genuine and truthful, particularly when discussing the issues of mental health and racism. They are very much in love and share equal power in their relationship, Harry is not being manipulated by Meghan. There’s “something more” to Meghan’s answers about whether she googled him and how their first date went. She may be hiding something or she may be wishing it had been done differently. Harry carries anger towards his father, cares deeply for his brother and grandmother.

Don’t shoot the messenger. ;)

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a35770254/body-language-meghan-harry-interview-oprah/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/harry-meghan-body-language-oprah-interview-b1814268.html
https://pagesix.com/2021/03/08/prince-harry-body-language-shows-suppressed-anger-at-prince-charles/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/meghan-harrys-oprah-chat-debunked-23628672
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/...le-what-the-body-language-experts-have-to-say
 
New polls out showing H&M's popularity at their lowest point EVER with the Queen's support unwavering.. *ho hum*
In the UK, absolutely. Interestingly, in the US the exact opposite is true. It can be argued that the opinion in the US doesn't matter as much, but I found it interesting. And completely inline with what I've seen on social media with the exception of this board.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-surges-in-the-us-polls-show/?sh=192170d57875
 
While I can understand why people in the UK and Commonwealth are interested in the Royal Family, I don't understand why anyone else is. They are as dull as dishwater. I majored in history and still read a lot about history so I'm interested in them from a historical perspective, but the current members? Not so much.
 
Googled it for you. There was complete consensus among the first five results I got. I don’t know that body language is an exact science, but the experts all agreed that H&M were being genuine and truthful, particularly when discussing the issues of mental health and racism. They are very much in love and share equal power in their relationship, Harry is not being manipulated by Meghan. There’s “something more” to Meghan’s answers about whether she googled him and how their first date went. She may be hiding something or she may be wishing it had been done differently. Harry carries anger towards his father, cares deeply for his brother and grandmother.

Don’t shoot the messenger. ;)

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a35770254/body-language-meghan-harry-interview-oprah/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/harry-meghan-body-language-oprah-interview-b1814268.html
https://pagesix.com/2021/03/08/prince-harry-body-language-shows-suppressed-anger-at-prince-charles/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/meghan-harrys-oprah-chat-debunked-23628672
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/...le-what-the-body-language-experts-have-to-say
I do think Harry & Meghan believe they told their truth, and that would reflect in their body language. If that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth... We will find out that in about 10 - 20 years or so.
 
I’ve still got some articles pulled up from my earlier google-a-thon related to things that PPs have brought up over the last several pages. I’m going to dump them here before I close them out.

How does Meghan’s mom feel about all this? She was reportedly very concerned for Meghan’s wellbeing when she visited her at Frogmore. She found the level of isolation she was kept in to be alarming, and told Meghan at the time, “You’re stuck in here.” She was “delighted” when plans were in the works for them to step back from the royal family and was “relieved” Meghan was putting her mental health first. Doria herself is described as “miserable” in her dealings with the royal family, unhappy that they won’t allow her to say anything about her daughter to anyone, ever, no matter how mundane, and that they made her sign an NDA.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/royals-wouldnt-let-meghan-her-191200704.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...ied-meghan-markle-oprah-winfrey-interview-spt
https://radaronline.com/videos/meghan-markle-mom-doria-ragland-silenced-royal-family/
Someone mentioned Doria was imprisoned during Meghan’s teen years? The only mentions I can find of that are in a handful of oddball places that can all be traced back to what I would describe as a conspiracy theory website, definitely not an objective or credible source in the least. I can find no legitimate sources reporting anything about her being in prison. I can find things that talk about the type of work or schooling Doria was doing during those years, and I think I myself posted something waaaayyy back in the thread that said Meghan stayed with her dad during the school week and her mom on weekends and breaks throughout her high school years. So, I think that one is a baseless rumor.

Last thing. I was reading an article that pictured one of her friends and the picture was taken at the wedding. That caught my attention because I’ve always heard she didn’t have any friends or family at the wedding other than her mom. Aside from that, supposedly, she only invited celebrities. As luck would have it, Wikipedia has a handy-dandy list of all the wedding guests broken down by their relationship to the happy couple. The list for H&M’s personal friends is longer than both the list for family members and celebrities, including her Suits co-stars. The friends list is divided roughly equally between H&M. She invited as many “longtime personal friends” as he did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wedding_guests_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle
 
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