II trades and DVC accomodations.... What happens when.....???? Several Questions.

[DavidRoss]

I really didn't know how to put this in the subject line. It is a bunch of questions.

When you trade out through II and you do this say 18 months out, are DVC accomodations then available for another timeshare owner to trade into. Thus, because I trade out my points 18 months out, another timeshare owner would be able to secure a reservation at DVC before another DVC member could. Is that correct?

Also, when you trade out, are the DVC accomodations you could have booked with points available for cash reservations and other timeshare owner reservations?

One final question. Since you have deposited a week with Interval International. If you had to cancel and you still had your week out there, would it be possible for you to book back - through II - into DVC? What if you were the owner of another timeshare and had your own membership with II? Would that make any difference?

 

[DavidRoss]

bump

 

[spiceycat]

I didn't trade that way - when DVC had the II exchange that I wanted - then I traded...

the points were used at that time

No I am pretty sure you can't trade back into DVC because DVC WDW exchanges go fast...

Now if you are using Deposit first - then MS would make a reservation at that time - put it in II exchange system. At least that the way the other places work - I am assuming DVC does the same.

II uses DVC in their exchange network - they only try to sell (getaways) the ones that aren't wanted in the exchange network - which lately I would surprised if there were any. there are alot of II exchangers who want to trade into DVC. (just go look on the tug board).

 

[Werner Weiss]

Until the World Passport Collection point chart was published last year, DVC Member Services would book a specific 7-night stay at a DVC resort with your points to facilitate a comparable exchange. The usual 7/11 month rules applied.

With the chart, the process has become less direct — but specific 7-night DVC weeks still end up in II for use by lucky II members who want to trade into a DVC resort. I would not expect any of those weeks to be in II earlier than 11 months prior to checkout. Another timeshare owner would not be able to secure a reservation at a DVC resort before another DVC member could.

When you trade out, the inventory represented by those DVC points is not available for cash reservations, nor for DVC reservations — it goes to II.

DVC weeks are in high demand by owners at other II-affiliated timeshare resorts. DVC weeks do not sit in II inventory for any length of time. In fact, almost all DVC weeks are likely to go immediately to II members who have ongoing requests. In the event that a DVC week goes into II inventory, it's likely to be grabbed quickly.

I would not plan on being able to trade back into a DVC resort if you have to cancel an exchange out of DVC, although, I suppose, that technically this is possible. It's not uncommon for II members exchange back into their own resorts; it's how they exchange to a different season or a different fixed week. In such a case, you would not get your DVC points back; you'd get a specific 7-night stay. And the point value of that 7-night stay would be highly unlikely to match the points you originally used for your World Passport Collection exchange.

Your final question was, "What if you were the owner of another timeshare and had your own membership with II? Would that make any difference?" I'm an II member because I own a couple of Marriott weeks. So I deal directly with II when I exchange those Marriott weeks. But my II membership makes no difference if want to exchange DVC points for a World Passport Collection exchange. I would use the same process that any other DVC member would use, and I would have no advantage.

 

[Lisa P.]

When you trade out through II, the DVC week given to II is not the same dates as your travel dates. You may not be traveling until 18 months later, but the person trading in to DVC may be vacationing in only 5 months, for example. So DVC isn't giving II inventory earlier than DVC owners may reserve it.

The inventory given to II would be inventory that was available to DVC members only, prior to your exchange request. Your membership's points are used to book the time which is given to II and receive the II week in return. If they took the DVC time from cash inventory, they would need you to pay cash to DVC for it.

When I used to be a DVC member, I once asked whether it was possible to trade a deposited DVC week back into a DVC resort. I was told, at that time, that the DVC corporate account was restricted against doing this. However, this was several years ago, so you could ask if this is no longer true. It may be permitted now.

If you are using an individual II account and a timeshare week (not DVC, of course), then there is no restriction against trading into a DVC resort via II. Your individual account would not have any indication that you are a DVC member anyway. IIRC, Dean has done this, traded into DVC with his individual II account (which is good for trading his Marriott). HTH.

 

[Dean]

To add a little, hopefully. DVC can only give up what you could have booked yourself. If you cancel there is the rub. Assuming you cancel over 60 days out, you lose your exchange fee and have a year to use the replacement week, NOT TWO YEARS. You will have to pay another exchange fee. You cannot exchange back into DVC, I've asked this question. For value, you should only exchange for TOP resorts at PREMIER times. The other issue is to extend the life of points that would be expiring by doing a deposit first.

 

[Laurabearz]

Jumping in with a couple of questions of my own.....


If, as Weirner states, the DVC week that we place into II is quick to go... does that mean that the week we deposit can get used before we get a match?? and if we dont match.... what happens?


Can II people and DVC people swap weeks without having to go thru MS and II's ms??? A direct trade? And if so... how does on cover their own butts' so no one dont get screwed.

 

[Werner Weiss]

Originally posted by Laurabearz
If, as Werner states, the DVC week that we place into II is quick to go... does that mean that the week we deposit can get used before we get a match?? and if we dont match.... what happens?

Yes, the week that a DVC member deposits can go to an II member before the DVC member gets a match. But that would only happen with "deposit first." Usually, a DVC member would either make an immediate match (if there's a week that the DVC member wants sitting in II inventory) &#151 or the DVC member would do "request first" (where the DVC points are not given up until there's a match).

There are cases where "deposit first" is best, especially when points might otherwise expire.

As far as what happens if there is no match after a "deposit first"... it's a matter of becoming more flexible. You might not get the exact week at the exact resort that you want. But there are good weeks deposited into II all the time, and there are even always good weeks sitting unclaimed in II inventory — they just might not be your first choice. If you allow your II deposit to expire becuse you never got the match you wanted, then it's down the drain.

Keep in mind that an II exchange does not mean a one-to-one swap with an II member. Let's suppose you want to go to Palm Desert. An owner in Palm Desert wants to go to Myrtle Beach. An owner in Myrtle Beach wants to go to somewhere in the Caribbean. And so on. II's business is to make it all happen.

Originally posted by Laurabearz
Can II people and DVC people swap weeks without having to go thru MS and II's ms??? A direct trade? And if so... how does on cover their own butts' so no one dont get screwed.

Yes, timeshare owners do direct trades all the time. Dean has often commented that DVC members are likely to get the best point value with direct arranges. A DVC member could swap a 5- or 6-night stay for a 7-night stay, or a 1BR for a 2BR. You can't do this through Member Services and II.

I'll let someone else comment on how to arrange such direct swaps and how to protect yourself. (I've never done a dirct swap myself.)

 

[Dean]

To add to what Werner said. For request first, II only actually has the week when you accept the exchange and pay the fee. After that the DVC week is gone. If you cancel your exchange, that week is not again available though you may be able to get another exchange in it's place.

While I think direct exchanges are the way to go for most options, there's no magic way to protect both parties equally. There are ways to minimize the risk though but each situation will be different. Uneven exchanges (less points than DVC would charge or less than the unit at DVC would costs) are frequently available for lessor resorts or lessor times. This is a good way to open up resorts that might work for you but would be a significant downtrade using DVC. The best example I've seen was someone who posted a 2 BR Labor day week at Marriott's Manor club and wanted a DVC studio for 5 days excluding weekends.

 

[DavidRoss]

Thank you all. You have been a big help. I am booked at Westage Resort Smokey Mountains in December 2004. However, my wife may not be able to go at that time. This was my first exchange with II and I was trying to think of different scenarios.